What does democracy mean to you?

[Katie N]

I have noticed many complain about results of elections even though they lived in a democracy and claim to support democracy. How can you claim to support democracy but then turn on it when results of election doesn't make your candidate or party the winners? Why claim to support democracy when you throw a tantrum when your favored party or candidate lost?

What does democracy even mean to you? Does it mean only your side wins with a selection of different candidates and if they don't win there is something wrong with the system?

[Aggrophobic]

What do you mean? You can dislike the fact that other do not agree with you and still support democracy.
There are other factors as well like one side being lied to or just not informed enough to make a good choice. Voting systems and how the results are handled come in quite a few different forms today and not all of the are fair or that great.

Democracy itself is not perfect. It's just the best we have at this time.

[Independent voter]

I have noticed many complain about results of elections even though they lived in a democracy and claim to support democracy. How can you claim to support democracy but then turn on it when results of election doesn't make your candidate or party the winners? Why claim to support democracy when you throw a tantrum when your favored party or candidate lost?

What does democracy even mean to you? Does it mean only your side wins with a selection of different candidates and if they don't win there is something wrong with the system?

So what is the difference between Vietnam and the US?

1. Free speech is number one. I can say anything about a politician without repercussion.
2. Voting in your representative. You like the things a politician says? Vote for him or her.
3. We also have referendums where the masses can enact a law without politicians, sometimes called the initiative process.
4. Don't like any of the politicians? You can become a politician and run for office yourself.

Here's a list of some Vietnamese-American politicians who did just that.

Joseph Cao
Jerome Cochran
D
Tyler Diep
Viet D. Dinh
Andrew Do
Miranda Du
John Quoc Duong
Wendy Duong
G
Michelle Giuda
H
Al Hoang
J
Frank Jao
L
Tony Lam
An Le
M
Stephanie Murphy
N
Bao Nguyen
Jacqueline Nguyen
Janet Nguyen
Madison Nguyen
Mina Nguyen
Tan D. Nguyen
P
Quang X. Pham
Anthony Phan
T
Dean Tran
John Tran
Kathy Tran
Van Tran
V
Hubert Vo

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catego...namese_descent

[Aitch]

Democracy is the quality of a society where the consensus of the population determines the destiny of the society.

[stevenho]

There are other factors as well like one side being lied to or just not informed enough to make a good choice.

This kind of talk always makes me facepalm/cringe.
"A good choice".
"The other side is dumb/misinformed/lied to."

Unfortunately, such statements are not a sign of intelligence and thoughtfulness...

[Swalload]

When misinformation, deception and lies win elections, that isn't democracy. That is corruption and exploitation.

Democracy doesn't mean "immune to corruption and exploitation". It means give voting power to the stupid so why not just brainwash and manipulate them?

People are literally not educated enough on politics to make democracy actually work. If people had the necessary knowledge to make democracy what it should be, the 2016 elections would have been delayed because Clinton and Trump would have been judged not good enough candidates to vote for. They would have been kicked out because with real democracy the people would have this power (on top of being smart enough to not just vote like fucking drones for a bad option among other bad options), and these parties would have to provide better candidates or just stay out of the race.

The whole point of democracy is to show what's best, to see what's best you have to KNOW what you're judging. What happens now is people are voting for what they personally prefer. BTW that's not okay, the best is not always what you want. There is a factual best situation and that situation could be detrimental to you. Selfishness makes people vote for the wrong thing, another giant flaw of democracy.

If people are aware of all these aspects and are well educated on politics, they would be much harder to brainwash and lie to, people would realize what's the right thing to vote for and every single election would be a 90-10 landslide because votes would be less biased or blind. Smarter votes mean voting for the better option and this is not subjective at all.

[Darya]

What do you mean? You can dislike the fact that other do not agree with you and still support democracy.
There are other factors as well like one side being lied to or just not informed enough to make a good choice. Voting systems and how the results are handled come in quite a few different forms today and not all of the are fair or that great.

Democracy itself is not perfect. It's just the best we have at this time.

1) You mean like your politicians and media like to claim that muslim immigrants have absolutely nothing to do with the increase of sex crimes in European countries where there has been muslim immigration?

2) You mean people like yourself who calls people racist for seeing reality for what it is, "racist" people who see cause and effect? Who want to do something about it rather than sit at home and believe politicians when they lie to your face?

[d00mGuArD]

I have noticed many complain about results of elections even though they lived in a democracy and claim to support democracy. How can you claim to support democracy but then turn on it when results of election doesn't make your candidate or party the winners? Why claim to support democracy when you throw a tantrum when your favored party or candidate lost?

What does democracy even mean to you? Does it mean only your side wins with a selection of different candidates and if they don't win there is something wrong with the system?

A democracy MUST have at least 2 parties. Governing party and opposition.
You can't have democracy without opposition. It is even the law in my country, if there is only one party (or if they all combine) and there is no opposition, you have to do elections again.
Opposition is not optional in democracy. There needs to be other voice

So don't let anyone silence you with "they won" "is what people want" etc
No matter who wins, the other side is mandatory to be there and oppose things

[Travis B]

1) You mean like your politicians and media like to claim that muslim immigrants have absolutely nothing to do with the increase of sex crimes in European countries where there has been muslim immigration?

2) You mean people like yourself who calls people racist for seeing reality for what it is, "racist" people who see cause and effect? Who want to do something about it rather than sit at home and believe politicians when they lie to your face?

Man you're just looking for the slightest excuse to bring up Muslims/racism, aren't you?

[Deleted]

got something to do with young men killing eachother i believe

*guitar solo*

[Darya]

Man you're just looking for the slightest excuse to bring up Muslims/racism, aren't you?

You can't complain about people not being educated enough or lies being spread when you are one of those not educated enough nor when you are one of those spreading lies.

[roboscorcher]

I have noticed many complain about results of elections even though they lived in a democracy and claim to support democracy. How can you claim to support democracy but then turn on it when results of election doesn't make your candidate or party the winners? Why claim to support democracy when you throw a tantrum when your favored party or candidate lost?

What does democracy even mean to you? Does it mean only your side wins with a selection of different candidates and if they don't win there is something wrong with the system?

Democracy itself is fine. Cheating to win is what most people are pissed about. Trump cheated, and people are pissed. The GOP regularly cheats. Look at the Wisconsin congress, stripping a bunch of Governor powers right before a Dem is sworn in.

Republicans are repeatedly putting power before the good of the people. They constantly break a system, then demand it be removed for being broken. Democracy included.

Gaslight
Obstruct
Project

[Deleted]

I have thunk in my head that all this voicing of discontent is a call for more direct democracy in an ever faster world where the representative system is becoming just too slow.
Even if for example the president of the USA is a moron - or if an amazing genius is elected next, nothing will change that much because of the established apparatus of the government.
Democracy would have to catch up with the internet age somehow.

e: And i don't believe that the people would necessarily make the best decisions, but those decisions would be theirs, even if bad.

[Spectral]

Democracy is two wolves and a sheep deciding what's for dinner.

[Krigaren]

I have noticed many complain about results of elections even though they lived in a democracy and claim to support democracy. How can you claim to support democracy but then turn on it when results of election doesn't make your candidate or party the winners? Why claim to support democracy when you throw a tantrum when your favored party or candidate lost?

It's not democracy when the elections are rigged in specific ways to determine outcomes. That's what people complain about, and that's the reason people fight against the results.

Elections that are "won" because gerrymandering voting districts to dilute and spread out the voting bloc of population centers so the minority party has more sway in specific areas is not democratic.

Elections that are "won" by purging people off the voting rolls when those people are more likely to vote against you is not democratic.

Elections that are "won" by the passing of voter ID requirements that make it incredibly difficult if not outright impossible for certain segments of the population to vote - which again tend to more likely vote against you - is not democratic.

Elections that are "won" by distorting, with-holding, or outright fabricating true facts that would be damaging against you, while pushing narratives that distort, fabricate or outright lie about facts regarding your opponent is not democratic. Especially so if you utilize hostile foreign nations and the might of their espionage and propaganda machines.

And in the specific case of the American presidential election - it's not democratic at all. If it were, George W Bush and Donald Trump wouldn't have won, since the majority of American voters that participated in those elections chose Al Gore and Hillary Clinton.

What does democracy even mean to you? Does it mean only your side wins with a selection of different candidates and if they don't win there is something wrong with the system?

Democracy means a fair election where every legitimate vote counts. Democracy means that all citizens have the right to vote, and that their vote shall not be abridged for any reason. Democracy means safeguarding the voting system by means of the government taking responsibility for the integrity of the results, rather than placing the burden of proof on the voters.

Democracy means that every election is the will of the people, is within the framework of that country's laws and constitution, and is as ironclad accurate, neutral and honest as possible without any of the shenanigans we've been seeing. Which means no more corporate money in politics, no more lobbying, no more foreign interference, no more gerrymandering, no more voter suppression, straight up no more bullshit.

[wathaslast]

I have noticed many complain about results of elections even though they lived in a democracy and claim to support democracy. How can you claim to support democracy but then turn on it when results of election doesn't make your candidate or party the winners? Why claim to support democracy when you throw a tantrum when your favored party or candidate lost?

What does democracy even mean to you? Does it mean only your side wins with a selection of different candidates and if they don't win there is something wrong with the system?

When you ask people a question it isn't a good idea to insult people who disagree with you.

To be honest you come across as quite stupid, and there isn't really any point in answering your question because you wouldn't understand the responses, and probably are not acting in good faith anyway.

[Machismo]

When you ask people a question it isn't a good idea to insult people who disagree with you.

To be honest you come across as quite stupid, and there isn't really any point in answering your question because you wouldn't understand the responses, and probably are not acting in good faith anyway.

You created a new account just to yell at someone? How ironic.

[wathaslast]

1) You mean like your politicians and media like to claim that muslim immigrants have absolutely nothing to do with the increase of sex crimes in European countries where there has been muslim immigration?

2) You mean people like yourself who calls people racist for seeing reality for what it is, "racist" people who see cause and effect? Who want to do something about it rather than sit at home and believe politicians when they lie to your face?

Are you one of those retards that responds to random articles about, say, a decline in shoe shops with rambling incoherent bullshit about muslims?

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You created a new account just to yell at someone? How ironic.

*Every Machismo post ever* "Why don't you have a dick-sucking fetishism towards petty authority like ME? It is really working out for me in my life with my enormous post count and inability to understand anything!!!!"

[Machismo]

Are you one of those retards that responds to random articles about, say, a decline in shoe shops with rambling incoherent bullshit about muslims?

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*Every Machismo post ever* "Why don't you have a dick-sucking fetishism towards petty authority like ME? It is really working out for me in my life with my enormous post count and inability to understand anything!!!!"

How would you know? You are supposedly new here. Thanks for admitting to being an alt account.

[Kuax]

Opium of the masses. Especially evident when some people cherish it been literally forced on on other people (join us or die, heathen!).
The whole idea that random people can have a voice in making decisions about the thing they know nothing is ridiculous. Not even counting the fact that it's usually the choice between been punch in the nose and been punch in the teeth.
Technocratic meritocracy might fix some of the problems, but I don't think I will live to see it implemented anywhere. Not at the current stage of human evolution.