Another victory for the Horde!

[qwerty123456]

Actually, the only thing the soldiers did as ''their own thing'' was pillaging Taurajo. General Hawthorne ordered its sacking, and that wasn't just ''soldiers doing their own thing.''

Was he dealt with?

Yes

"For his own part, High Chieftain Baine Bloodhoof accepted that Camp Taurajo was a legitimate military target, as they did train hunters and warriors there, and knew that Hawthorne refused to have its civilians slaughtered"

[Dalheim]

Was he delt with?

He was. What stops the alliance from dealing with us?

I just despise the bullshit that alliance are angels while the Horde are war criminals. Both factions do stupid and terrible shit.

[Minikin]

You doubt my loyalty in our spiritual liege? Harsh.

Yo btw. Delaryn dies in the warfront, you might not have to get that t shirt!

[DeltrusDisc]

Talk about inconsistencies in writing. :|

[Super Dickmann]

Yo btw. Delaryn dies in the warfront, you might not have to get that t shirt!

I'm not out of the woods yet. Warfront deaths are non-canon.

[Minikin]

I'm not out of the woods yet. Warfront deaths are non-canon.

Hehe that's why I said might XD.

Size XL Anduin shirt

[Varodoc]

He was. What stops the alliance from dealing with us?

I just despise the bullshit that alliance are angels while the Horde are war criminals. Both factions do stupid and terrible shit.

Sure, but you cannot tell me with a straight face that the Alliance has done just as much stupid and terrible shit as the Horde. You could back in Wrath of the Lich King, perhaps, but after Southshore, Hillsbrad, Gilneas, Theramore and Teldrassil? No, you can't.

[Minikin]

He was. What stops the alliance from dealing with us?

I just despise the bullshit that alliance are angels while the Horde are war criminals. Both factions do stupid and terrible shit.

I agree. Both factions have bad crap on their sides. The horde just seems more monstrous because of the impact on the land (blight etc etc) and blizzard can't be bothered to make the alliance a viable aggressor.

Especially in this day when both sides can be played, faction bias is a foolish errand.

[Dalheim]

Sure, but you cannot tell me with a straight face that the Alliance has done just as much stupid and terrible shit as the Horde. You could back in Wrath of the Lich King, perhaps, but after Southshore, Hillsbrad, Gilneas, Theramore and Teldrassil? No, you can't.

Never said they did equal terrible shit. I just said they both do terrible shit, some might do worse than others.

And I *could* do it with a straight face, I just won't, as I don't like telling lies.

[Minikin]

''That was a legitimate target!!!!oneone!one! Theramore and this pandalady wasnt! HURRDURRRR!!!'''

This I disagree with though.

The list for towns is far more on the side of horde rather than alliance.

It's not really about legitimate targets. It's about conduct and the story being retconned every third paragraph.

E.g
1. Stonetalon. Gets bombed by the horde. Garrosh throws a commander for dishonorable conduct.
2. Icecrown. Horde backstabs alliance forces attacking scourge. Both parties lose scourge wins. Garrosh reprimands.
Fast forward. Garrosh approves theramore with a mana bomb and the citizens are taken for sport.

1. Teldrassil. Half a book written on how the plan is to use it to divide the alliance.
2. Forsaken have free will and are given a choice
Fast forward: burns the tree commiting wide scale genocide. Tortures and now proudmoore is being "conditioned".

Like it or not. Blizzard has decimated the "savage honorbound" horde. With cata they began it. With mop they made the coffin. With WoD they showed that regardless of change or choice the orcs still took the fel even with a whole new timeline to show a different color. And finally with BfA under sylvanas the horde is nailed again.

Think about it. The horde besides the forsaken is conflicted in what it does. Only the forsaken are totally fine with it. You go to darkshore all the forsaken assassin's have lines like
"She will rule forever"
"The horde will always be hers"
Only one other warchief talked like that.

It's not so much that the alliance does shitty things too. But the shit the alliance does feels like ametuer hour compared to the wierdness the horde seems to be afflicted with.

Solution? Actually give the alliance some balls and make them do stupid things rather than "ride in on my shiny pony to show these orc dogs the light!"

[Varodoc]

Whenever the Alliance shows some balls and becomes proactive, Horde fanboys immediately label them as villains. Just look at Jaina. She had enough of the Horde and wanted to destroy Orgrimmar and purged Dalaran, and some Horde fanboys are still calling her a crazy witch to this day. For many Horde players, the Alliance is evil even when they just want to retaliate, like Jaina did in Tides of War. And that's the problem.

[Zephre]

Yo btw. Delaryn dies in the warfront, you might not have to get that t shirt!

No she doesn't, she vanishes once you get her to low health.

Secondly, if we took warfronts seriously, Muradin, Turalyon, Danath, Etrigg, Rokhan and Liadrin would all be dead.

[Minikin]

No she doesn't, she vanishes once you get her to low health.

Secondly, if we took warfronts seriously, Muradin, Turalyon, Danath, Etrigg, Rokhan and Liadrin would all be dead.

i know its not. it was a joke about a claim he made ages ago.

[GreenJesus]

And how is she supposed to know that peace would be inevitable, even after 50 years? Does she have visions of the future like Ner'zhul?

Idk.. you're the one with the void and old gods in your head. You tell us.

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Yes you only kill the fucking doctor instead of the soldiers. You only commit the part that would be an actual warcrime truely the horde is so noble lol.

This isn't real life where injuries take months/years to recover or maybe even never. So the injured are basically civilians. Injured are just waiting to get back up and fight once the healer walks over to them.In Warcraft a healer can instantly heal you with a spell. Healers need to die first.

[Hyral]

They worship the Lich Queen? Did you expect the new Scourge to be principled?

[bigbleach]

You monsters! What did that panda ever do to you?

Edit: She was a Pandaren healer last seen in MoP that was targeted and killed for healing civilians in an eNeMY hospital. (Pandas finally get some attention, and its to kill them.) Along with the rest of the non-combatant nurses. Goddamn. Lead by Lidrian too. You know, the witch responsible for burning down churches back in BC? Well, now she's back to her old schemes of attacking soft targets. Turalyon was right to kick her out of the Silver Hand.


Nian: This is a house of peace for the injured. Have you no respect for the injured?

Nurse: I am no fighter. But I will give my life to protect these injured.

Nian: Please...the people here...need healing...As do you...

So what is wrong with burning down a church vs any other building..?

[Deleted]

Looking at the current story of the Horde, could it be that Blizzard writes the Horde to pander more towards a far-rightwing/Alt-Right/Gamergate audience? I mean, the focus seems to be to pander towards feelings of nationalism, the glorification of war and warcrimes, victim-mentality and the justification of aggressive actions through it, personality cult and the utter renouncement of values like peace, tolerance, forgiveness or empathy. Looking at the community, the Horde Community seems to be the more aggressive one and comes off as the more right-leaning community

[LuminaL]

Yrel did nothing wrong.

I mean can you blame her? look at the original timeline, so far the only orc that did anything good is Thrall and we all know why, people call him green human for some reason. borxigar did something similar, but guess who sent him on the mission on first place ?

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It just gets annoying that stuff like this gets thrown around by faction partisans, despite the fact that they have done things ten times worse prior. On both sides.

The bickering is getting really tedious.

its because every time you bring up burning of the world tree, suddenly out of nowhere, sylvanas fans pop up and start defending and rationalizing her actions in a way you sometimes wonder if its a "rearrange the words to make a sentence" kind of game.

so then we have to point out other smaller things that is usually considered background noise or unwanted casualties.

[SirCowdog]

I suggest you educate yourself a little more, then.

Some of our largest leaps in technology have come during times of war, mainly due to necessity. I'm not sure that qualifies as good when you consider the cost, but in absolute terms many of the technologies discovered during war have pretty normal every day applications that increase QoL.

[Trassk]

Looking at the current story of the Horde, could it be that Blizzard writes the Horde to pander more towards a far-rightwing/Alt-Right/Gamergate audience? I mean, the focus seems to be to pander towards feelings of nationalism, the glorification of war and warcrimes, victim-mentality and the justification of aggressive actions through it, personality cult and the utter renouncement of values like peace, tolerance, forgiveness or empathy. Looking at the community, the Horde Community seems to be the more aggressive one and comes off as the more right-leaning community

Your really trying to pander those kind of politics..