Should N'zoth/Aszhara be wary or scared of us?

[Trumpcat]

We were killed by said newborn Titan and that would've been the end if we didn't have the Pantheon with us, a dragon aspect who had lost the lion's share of her power, the Lich King also killed us and we were saved by deus ex machina, al'akir was the weakest of the four, and we had help from 3 demigod-level characters for raggy.

For all the headcanon players have about us being godkillers we're not nearly as strong as we think we are. And we're weaker now than we were before having given up our artifacts.

This. The Legion finale was very much us coming back down to earth (Azeroth), literally and figuratively.

[Gaidax]

Well, I mean some people on these forums think that Azshara and N'zoth are some sort of second coming of Jesus Christ themselves, when they are really yet another small bump on the road we take to fight the next real big bads we have on the hit list.

Yep, it's about time those bumps on the road start getting a clue.

Azshara is yet another insect full of herself, I bet she will say at least a couple of times in 8.2 how puny we are and how her power is beyond our comprehension, as we have her cave crumbling around her and ultimately have her stomped like all the rest.

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This. The Legion finale was very much us coming back down to earth (Azeroth), literally and figuratively.

Ultimately it does not matter, so far we have what 100% success rate one way or another? Our would be adversaries should be aware and wary of that fact, don't you think?

[huth]

By that logic she must see herself as above the power level of Titans. I agree that Azshara has a large ego, but I don't think she's stupid.

She thought Sargeras was going to marry her. Arrogance is a major character trait of hers.

[cparle87]

She thought Sargeras was going to marry her. Arrogance is a major character trait of hers.

Even more to the point she thought she was the superior one and that she'd finally found someone "worthy" of her.

[kiramon]

Even more to the point she thought she was the superior one and that she'd finally found someone "worthy" of her.

I don’t know why everyone thinks that the bad guys know what we know.

How the heck does Azshara know how strong a titan is relative to her? She knows a Titan dies to a mortal - so she thinks she’s stronger.

She knows the power of Nzoth - MAYBE he shared with her the information or maybe he didn’t. Maybe he’s tricked her into thinking she’s more powerful than she is because he wants to treat himself as more powerful.

Nobody knows! Except the writers thanks to the poster above... lol

[Nnyco]

By that logic she must see herself as above the power level of Titans. I agree that Azshara has a large ego, but I don't think she's stupid.

Never underestimate someone who calls themself the most beautiful person.

[Neverafter]

azshara is a joke, how many times we defeated the naga already?

she even failed at stealing the pillar of creation, like, girl, you are the most powerful mage in azeroth and can't even defeat a dumb mortal with a sword?
"muhaha i am so evil.. oh no.. you defeated me AGAIN WHYY" enjoy your victory mortal "

How exactly is Azshara a joke?

We have killed plenty of Naga, but we have never layed a finger on Azshara. The closest we have ever came to actually damaging her is the flashback in Azsuna and that doesn't even phase her.

Other threads have argued whether Nzoth and the Old Gods made Azshara weaker or stronger, but at this point we don't know. Blizzard could always mess up the story and make Azshara just another villain, but lorewise, she should be a challenge.

As far as the Pillars of Creation go, Suramar needed the Eye of Amanthul to protect it during the Sundering. Azshara alone was able to hold back the flood waters, at least for a bit.

[etheldald]

We have killed plenty of Naga, but we have never layed a finger on Azshara. The closest we have ever came to actually damaging her is the flashback in Azsuna and that doesn't even phase her.

Azsuna.
she shows up.
but she doesn't murder us while she could, or killed farondis.
why? PC plot armor probably, but she is like "muhahah i am azshara, i am so evil, i will steal the pilar of creation.. and threat to flood the broken islands, but meanwhile i will do nothing!"
if she was the one present in eye of azshara, we would be all probably dead by now.
she is probably the strongest mortal alive, but she doesn't do nothing with all that power.

[Eucep]

Right now, we are doing exactly what those two want. Found it annoying how much the twilight hammer manipulated the world post cataclysm? Hold on to your butts it's going to get a whole lot nastier.

I think we are being set up to fall. And fall hard. I think once 8.3 goes over to 9.0, we are about to loose. All the Azerite we as the champions have been farming goes directly to N'zoth to feed him while idiot Alliance and Horde will have deminished their resources and number in soldiers considerably thanks to the war.

At the end of the Azshara raid we will not have beaten her, merely amused her while she shows us she has this thingy that is going to wreck the world and nobody can stop her. Then Magni the pawn will get the brilliant idea to unload our necklaces into it. Bingo.

I think both will go "haha, stupid mortals".

[Grimlokh]

I think we are all tired of the typical villain going from:
"You shall perish/die/turn to ash beneath my endless/superior/awesome power"
to:
"You defeated me, I did not see this coming. But my death means nothing, others will carry on my work/your destiny is written/nothing shall stop my anger/power/endless rage!!"

So yeah, after 14 years of this, a liitle bit of creativity wouldn`t hurt the game. Maybe they can deliver this time, Aszhara is not that powerful, just a scheming witch.

[sam86]

We were killed by said newborn Titan and that would've been the end if we didn't have the Pantheon with us, a dragon aspect who had lost the lion's share of her power, the Lich King also killed us and we were saved by deus ex machina, al'akir was the weakest of the four, and we had help from 3 demigod-level characters for raggy.

For all the headcanon players have about us being godkillers we're not nearly as strong as we think we are. And we're weaker now than we were before having given up our artifacts.

pls prove me wrong and show me a single fight our great mary sue characters lost in entire wow history, even fights we 'lost' like LK an ex-machina event interfere and save our asses
by now my character should be confident he will never die, he faced death itself, dragon that split the world, old gods, every single rank of a demon that exist and f8cked them for (what we assume) good in twisting neither, even f8cking titans
give me a reason why xxikillbelfs the gnome rogue can 'fear' n'zoth, what in his 8? (wow years) had he ever lose to, to start now fear an old god and a naga witch?
wow story is that sh8tty and joke, we killed many 'strong' enemies, twice even many times, if a paladin who faces all that from ragnaros to artonos fear n'zoth, he must have amnesia to forget how he beat everything, and actiblizz never gave a hint that heroes who started in vanilla wow are all dead, in fact on reverse we have many times npcs talk to us as savior of azeroth, even if character wasn't created (or maybe the player himself didn't start) during TBC era for example (heck blizz made DKs fight illidan, wtf !?)

[cparle87]

pls prove me wrong and show me a single fight our great mary sue characters lost in entire wow history, even fights we 'lost' like LK an ex-machina event interfere and save our asses
by now my character should be confident he will never die, he faced death itself, dragon that split the world, old gods, every single rank of a demon that exist and f8cked them for (what we assume) good in twisting neither, even f8cking titans
give me a reason why xxikillbelfs the gnome rogue can 'fear' n'zoth, what in his 8? (wow years) had he ever lose to, to start now fear an old god and a naga witch?
wow story is that sh8tty and joke, we killed many 'strong' enemies, twice even many times, if a paladin who faces all that from ragnaros to artonos fear n'zoth, he must have amnesia to forget how he beat everything, and actiblizz never gave a hint that heroes who started in vanilla wow are all dead, in fact on reverse we have many times npcs talk to us as savior of azeroth, even if character wasn't created (or maybe the player himself didn't start) during TBC era for example (heck blizz made DKs fight illidan, wtf !?)

Addicts are sad, sad people. When I work in retail and see smokers come in only having enough money for food or cigarettes and they choose the latter I feel sad inside. When I come onto these forums and see people filled with such hate towards a mere game that they have to twist every aspect of it into something negative, yet they torture themselves by repeatedly returning to said forums, I feel sad inside.

I can't imagine what it's like to hate something so much and yet have an overpowering need for it.

[sam86]

Addicts are sad, sad people. When I work in retail and see smokers come in only having enough money for food or cigarettes and they choose the latter I feel sad inside. When I come onto these forums and see people filled with such hate towards a mere game that they have to twist every aspect of it into something negative, yet they torture themselves by repeatedly returning to said forums, I feel sad inside.

I can't imagine what it's like to hate something so much and yet have an overpowering need for it.

wtf u talking about, what is that weird answer that have nothing to do with the game ?
so u consider anyone who think game writing is bad, is addict or whatever ? so explain to me the 'great' story of WoD, specially the AU part, that blizz promised to explain 5 years ago, and we still didn't get that answer yet

[Irian]

I'd love that, but it's not going to happen. Legion was a great opportunity to show a more cunning and diabolical enemy and yet we were bombarded with nothing but the same "evil" we've faced for years.

I would love for N'zoth to actually attempt offering us a pact, or Azshara to try beguiling us and making us pity her for a ruthless backstab. Something to show that for once, the villain isn't just an evil tyrant who cannot possibly imagine us defeating them until we're looting their corpse like every other boss.
I would also love a villain that actually properly respected and saw us as a legitimate foe, but I don't really think that role should be given to N'zoth or Azshara.

[Alanar]

Not really. Azshara sees us as nothing less than insects.

They should realy stop with the: TRRMBLE BEFORE ME LANDCRAWLERS yells.. it feels weak.

[klaps_05]

Ultimately it does not matter, so far we have what 100% success rate one way or another? Our would be adversaries should be aware and wary of that fact, don't you think?

Actually arent the 2 factions not equal after all? In the last book it was stated which dungeon/raid were defeated by which faction i believe, so alliance got some kills and horde got some others.

[Lochton]

They should realy stop with the: TRRMBLE BEFORE ME LANDCRAWLERS yells.. it feels weak.

Yes, and no...

You gotta remember, she has transcended into a higher state of being and therefor beliefs we are even less, than what her kind would've seen us before. She calls her once equals for lesser beings too.

[Alanar]

Yes, and no...

You gotta remember, she has transcended into a higher state of being and therefor beliefs we are even less, than what her kind would've seen us before. She calls her once equals for lesser beings too.

Yea I guess, but to make things more believable.. look what we have killed in the past.. we were with 40.. then because we didnt need 40 we did it with 25 few years later. I mean you cant keep selling this. If she is so smart she should have a plan and should be scared of us.
Also the line; tremble before me card is done.. like for real. It more and more starts to look like disney. Yes I said disney, the weak voicelines realy are bitingme, things start to get real old fast.

[Lochton]

Yea I guess, but to make things more believable.. look what we have killed in the past.. we were with 40.. then because we didnt need 40 we did it with 25 few years later. I mean you cant keep selling this. If she is so smart she should have a plan and should be scared of us.
Also the line; tremble before me card is done.. like for real. It more and more starts to look like disney. Yes I said disney, the weak voicelines realy are bitingme, things start to get real old fast.

Well, she apparently does have a plan which have been in motion for decades (According to lore). Of course, it'll feel shit that she'll not be a 40 man boss but I have a feeling we'll get help on her like some of the others.

[Zaramas]

We have the "Plotforce" on our side. Any villain should be wary.