How to actually bring players back next expansion:

**DeltrusDisc** · 2018-12-31, 10:30 AM

Originally Posted by Fascinate

To be fair not everything is bad, art team did a good job as always and i like the new human NPC's scattered around kul tiras lol.

But ya, not a ton to like about this expansion for someone who is a veteran of the game like myself.

To be honest, I think a lot of the art is kind of lacking... Especially in Kul Tiras... it just looks washed out.

**Archibalde** · 2018-12-31, 10:36 AM

Originally Posted by Fascinate

That's exactly why i didn't list M+ in the OP, even tho almost no one i know likes them it appears blizzard is incredibly proud of them......big yikers from me.

The problem with M+ isn't the concept itself, it's the BFA dungeons. I loved doing high keys in Legion, now I have to force myself to do a 10 every week for the cache.

In Legion if you wanted a quick key you could do Maw of Souls in 10 minutes, Nelth's Lair, Upper Kara, Court of Stars or Darkheart Thicket in about 15-20. They were challenging without being frustrating.

The BFA dungeons have way too much trash and they take too long. The new seasonal theme they introduced in BFA just sucks. It slows down the dungeon pace even more. A lot of them also still feel overtuned with certain affixes, they clearly did no testing what-so-ever and they're still collecting feedback from players. There's a reason why most people gravitate towards Freehold and Atal'Dazar every week, and Blizzard doesn't seem to realize it.

**Tavin** · 2018-12-31, 10:37 AM

New class which have happened every 2 expansions so far, so might be next one.

Only thing that could bring me back would be more pandas

**Eggroll** · 2018-12-31, 10:39 AM

Originally Posted by DeltrusDisc

To be honest, I think a lot of the art is kind of lacking... Especially in Kul Tiras... it just looks washed out.

Can you post an example? Because I'm kinda a huge fan of the art in this xpac. Even tops MoP for me personally. Music is a huge plus, too.
More variantions than in Legion for sure and more immersive imo.

Deleted · 2018-12-31, 10:56 AM

Originally Posted by kamuimac

thats because we like the direction game has taken

for me its the best expansion in years

and the more toxic crybabies leave the better for the game

While i don't think it's the best it even was, it certainly is less frustrating than Legion. So, i am really happy that we moved from that horrible RNG grindfest. (Mandatory AP grind and legendaries)
Also, it honestly looks much better and the reward systems have improved. Much better invasion, better emissary rewards and now better ways to acquire Azerite gear.

It did have the effect of making raids less important cause of the removal of set bonuses, but it did give players flexibility on the type of content they want to do rather than be forced to the raid to get the set bonuses.

I think the class armor sets is what people miss though and i think the perfect way to solve that would be to design a set and get them behind a mage tower like solo challenge like the weapons skins. I think everyone would be happy then. Well... those that can be satisfied that is.

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Originally Posted by Irlking

In terms of Pve content Legion was great. Revert back to Legion changes, island exp and warfront are extremely boring and non engaging. Even the new invasions arent as fun as legion. There is no feel of progression at the moment.

For pvp take us back to WoD system of gear vendors with honor and conquest. Keep gear drop from wins so it stays dynamic. Gear scaling is a step in the right direction but some fixes are required.

How does Legion have better content? What the hell? Do you people hear yourselves? So... remove warfront and islands and... get less content!? PvE is better in BfA and invasions are much better as well. WQ's are closer together and the rewards are pretty good, at least for now. The final quests are way more varied than always nuking the same ship and boss at the end.
Like... has it occured to you, you can just ignore warfront and islands if you don't like them? They are completely optional. So, why do you want to deny them to people who enjoy them?

I'm ok with the PvP sugestion though.

**priest3** · 2018-12-31, 11:50 AM

Introduce new races not allied races but real races with big maps and create a good story make nice ambient music and balance pvp.

**Chaosweaver** · 2018-12-31, 11:56 AM

The last suggestion is so horrible that I don't have the words to describe how horrible it is.

**schwarzkopf** · 2018-12-31, 12:00 PM

Step 1 : Stop listening to the community, go back to the roots of the game and build a great expansion without concern for tiny minority whinges.

e.g. when you design a new concept for a raid with different stories on each faction, KEEP IT - ignore the 0.0001% of people that care about mythic race.

Step 2: No need for step 2, democracy doesn't work in building an awesome game - because democracy attempts to please everyone by delivering nothing.

**MisterBigglez** · 2018-12-31, 12:09 PM

Originally Posted by schwarzkopf

Step 1 : Stop listening to the community, go back to the roots of the game and build a great expansion without concern for tiny minority whinges.

e.g. when you design a new concept for a raid with different stories on each faction, KEEP IT - ignore the 0.0001% of people that care about mythic race.

Step 2: No need for step 2, democracy doesn't work in building an awesome game - because democracy attempts to please everyone by delivering nothing.

They already do this and it hasn't gone too well for them.

**Kelxin** · 2018-12-31, 12:15 PM

Originally Posted by Kaira

I don't think theres much of anything that would bring people back after Blizz's antics lately.

I've been free from WoW for over a year and honestly am glad I'm not paying for the crap I see them pushing out. If they went back to more of a Lich King era model and did away with all the PvP focused crap I might look back at re-subscribing, but considering they're doing a tablet only version of Diablo, I believe the company has largely lost it's way and I'll never be returning.

**Coolit** · 2018-12-31, 12:31 PM

I have no idea what will bring other players back but I do know what would bring me back:-

1. Progression without excessive rng (aka BC/WotLK).
2. Make items matter again, gear/mounts etc..
3. Make PvP matter in the world not just on a leaderboard.
4. Develop the game in its best interests, not what some list says will retain most players and keep the shareholders happy.
5. Better communication from the devs, take a look at FFXIV and how they do things.

**schwarzkopf** · 2018-12-31, 01:20 PM

Originally Posted by Dottywotty

They already do this and it hasn't gone too well for them.

That's why I said they need to stop doing it (listening to the community), forget about tuning balance to the fiftieth digit, forget about everyone being exactly the same.

So what if class A and class B aren't identical, this community driven homogenisation is the main downfall of the game.

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