Who is the Worst WOW racial leader?

[omeomorfismo]

That wasn't for nothing, there was an active war going on with the Horde under command of Orc Hitler. What did you expect Varian to do, roll over and let the Horde take whatever they wanted? Quit making shit up.

for example dont scam them promising lands lands and lands as colonists to only send them in the middle of 2 undead army... but hey, he is human, he is ally, why suffer consequence when fantasy teach us to always ignore them

[Schattenlied]

for example dont scam them promising lands lands and lands as colonists to only send them in the middle of 2 undead army... but hey, he is human, he is ally, why suffer consequence when fantasy teach us to always ignore them

They were there to support the Alliance military forces in the area... You are acting like the farmers were sent up there alone just to be farmers when that couldn't be further from the truth, again, stop making shit up.

[Dellis0991]

Baine "I stand around" Bloodhoof, blizz could have at least made him a little bit like his daddy.....poor bastard.

[omeomorfismo]

They were there to support the Alliance military forces in the area... You are acting like the farmers were sent up there alone just to be farmers when that couldn't be further from the truth, again, stop making shit up.

bullshit
https://wow.gamepedia.com/A_Mighty_Hunger
they were deceived.

[jellmoo]

Baine by a country mile. His crime is utter mediocrity and complete flaccidness. Of all the racial leaders, he's the one that is the least capable, least active, and most likely to roll over and take whatever shit is thrown on him. He backed the fuck down from the tyrant that killed his father, he backs the fuck down from the tyrant that kills and raises his people from the dead, and he even backs the fuck down from her pet lapdog.

He has no story, no personality, no identifiable traits. He leads a race of monstrous 9 foot tall cow people made of muscle and steeped in tradition, and makes them comes off as absolutely nothing special. He's so bland he makes rice pudding look exciting.

[Rhlor]

Malfurion and Tyrande>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>all

[Schattenlied]

bullshit
https://wow.gamepedia.com/A_Mighty_Hunger
they were deceived.

Deceived by who? I see no mention of Varian personally telling them to go do it.

Military was sent to secure the area, they were sent to farm it, the only problem I see here is that the forsaken pushed harder into the area than was anticipated, and based on the pretty progressed construction of new buildings in the area, I'd say the forsaken didn't push in until well after they got there.

[Nerovar]

Sylvannis is leading her people on a personal goal, she will fail, and Germany will forever be known as the country that tried twice to win a world war and got put down like dogs, after letting a mad man get them all fired up.

Infracted.

Third time's the charm.

[Friendlyimmolation]

Good leaders also don't drive their faction to the brink of annihilation. Even Nathanos aknoweldges that after the Battle of Dazar'alor the Horde is losing on all fronts. Baine desperately tries to sue for peace and Greymane realizes that the Alliance will win the war in a matter of weeks. Jaina could very well annihilate the Horde when they are mourning but chooses not to to be honorable, and Anduin knows that the Alliance will win but wants to do it slowly because he is afraid of killing too many people.

The Horde is finished. Only Azshara deus ex machina can save them.

A good leader understands when a war needs to be waged, and that "we pinky promise not to attack you" Is bullshit, Anduin has nothing but his word, lets Calia onto a field, does nothing to show he actually cares Greymane almost killed the Warchief during the invasion of the legion. Sylvanas had every right to wage the war, Anduin afraid of killing people just benefits the Horde, it doesn't somehow make Sylvanas a bad leader for abusing Anduin's ideals.

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Good leaders are not selfish and self serving. Good leaders don't create conflict for no reason, especially with people who are trying to have peace.

Good thing the war happened for a reason, and Anduin squealing about peace with only his word to back it up was somehow not taken seriously? Go figure.

[Schattenlied]

A good leader understands when a war needs to be waged

It didn't.

lets Calia onto a field

he had no reason not to, and she didn't do anything wrong. She didn't cause the desertion, she only tried to help after it had already started.

does nothing to show he actually cares Greymane almost killed the Warchief during the invasion of the legion.

Given what she was trying to do, he shouldn't. She made a pact with an evil entity, and was seconds away from supremely pissing off one of the most powerful entities on Azeroth (Odyn), one that was not an enemy of the Horde, or anywhere near being an enemy of the Horde. (this is just another "she's a bad leader" point, she would pit the Horde at war with Odyn's forces all so she can secure her own immortality)

Sylvanas had every right to wage the war

Nah, she really didn't, but you keep telling yourself that, her life is surely more important than the thousands she has sacrificed in selfish pursuit of her own salvation.

[Khaza-R]

Depends what we are talking about here.

Worst as in I wouldn't want them as a leader is either Sylvanas or Gallywix. I mean Sylvanas literally killed her own people who "weren't broken enough" and Gallywix is just a slimy scumbag who would probably steal your kidneys.

The most incompetent leader is probably Ji Firepaw. Just seems spineless and borderline completely unable to protect his people.

[Grazrug]

Third time's the charm.

He could just, you know, stop the Real life comparisons of people with brown clothes you now?

[Friendlyimmolation]

It didn't.

According to Anduin

he had no reason not to, and she didn;t do anything wrong. She didn't cause the desertion, she only tried to help after it had already started.

Are you being deliberately dense or can you not figure out why Calia Menithel on the field was a bad idea?

Given what she was trying to do, he shouldn't. She made a pact with an evil entity, and was seconds away from supremely pissing off one of the most powerful entities on Azeroth (Odyn), one that was not an enemy of the Horde, or anywhere near being an enemy of the Horde. (this is just another "she's a bad leader" point, she would pit the Horde at1 war with Odyn's forces all so she can secure her own immortality)

So you've confused what you think would happen for being a bad leader (lol) Not to mention there was nothing to indicated if Odyn would even care if Eyir was taken from him, odyn cheering on the Forsaken in a world quest where they kill Worgen. An immortal forsaken army would be just as helpful in fighting the Legion as Odyn's Valajar

Nah, she really didn't, but you keep telling yourself that, her life is surely more important than the thousands she has sacrificed in selfish pursuit of her own salvation.

You genuinely seem confused that caring only about the Horde's well being doesn't make one a bad leader

[JacobusRex]

All of them are bad these days, because despite being "Leaders" of their races they don't lead anyone or anything. They point, they shout something angry, and then the rest of us deal with the mess. That's not a leader. None of them are.

[Schattenlied]

According to Anduin

according to anyone but Sylvanas.

Are you being deliberately dense or can you not figure out why Calia Menithel on the field was a bad idea?

She wanted nothing to do with the throne, so yeah, nothing wrong.

odyn cheering on the Forsaken in a world quest where they kill Worgen

The Worgen aren't Odyn's personal army.

An immortal forsaken army would be just as helpful in fighting the Legion as Odyn's Valajar

And he would not be in control of it. Odyn is a control freak, we all know this.

You genuinely seem confused that caring only about the Horde's well being doesn't make one a bad leader

You genuinely seem confused that caring only for her own well being doesn't mean she cares for the Horde's well being.

She doesn't give a shit about the Horde, we've seen her internal monologue in novels, she doesn't give a shit about them any more than they can be used to keep her alive. All she cares about is her own life.

[Friendlyimmolation]

according to anyone but Sylvanas.

"A good war" pretty much destroys that argument.

She wanted nothing to do with the throne, so yeah, nothing wrong.

I must have missed the part where Sylvanas is omniscient, Sylvanas has had Greymane try to kill her, and then later see's Calia on the field, is she going to just assume Anduin just is making mistakes but trying his damned best?

The Worgen aren't Odyn's personal army.

No, but it shows him as the detached lunatic he is.

And he would not be in control of it. Odyn is a control freak, we all know this.

And he would either A) Scream while stuck in his great golden rubber room in the sky, or He'd just make a new Val'kyr queen like when Helya left him, Eyir's loss wouldn't really be devastating.

You genuinely seem confused that caring only for her own well being doesn't mean she cares for the Horde's well being.

She doesn't give a shit about the Horde, we've seen her internal monologue in novels, she doesn't give a shit about them any more than they can be used to keep her alive. All she cares about is her own life.

Before the storm, and having her inner thoughts as she tries to cater to all Horde races, and thinks about how she can help them all with differenent lands etc shows otherwise.

Unless you know, pretending to care about the Horde by actually trying helping them and making them more secure is the new meta to show you don't actually care, then it's just not shown.

[Nurvus]

So, why almost no one voted for Ji Firepaw, the most useless of them all since forever?

[Friendlyimmolation]

So, why almost no one voted for Ji Firepaw, the most useless of them all since forever?

Can't be bad if you don't do anything good or bad!

[Kithelle]

Sylvanas killed her own people...easily gets worst from me.

[Verdugo]

Sylvanas killed Alliance people...easily gets worst from me.

Fixed to show your real thoughts. Dont give me a shit about you caring about Horde.

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