There is NO ilvl difference between 8/8M raiders and 0/8 M players

[omegalulz]

As a 8/8M raider myself, i don't see the problem with it. Whatsoever.

You said it yourself, you reach higher ilvls faster, doing something you enjoy (i guess?). Why would other players be limited in their ilvl for not raiding?

You get exclusive traits and trinkets aswell, or did in Uldir in regards to traits.

Have absolutely no problem with other avenues awarding high ilvl rewards, such as Mythic+, PvP, crafting, etc. Game has some issues that should be focused on, but this certainly isn't one of them.

What is even the definition of a reward in a video game to you ? Because to me if you can have the same gear as a hardocre player while doing no hard content what so ever, just a +10 each week, warfronts and maybe a a heroic raid yeah it definetely means your games doesn't make any sense.

So why would other players be limited in their ilvl for not raiding?

Because it allows bad players to overgear every content and then the game just doesn't have any point anymore ? Some players with 385+ gear in this game are absolutely terrible and they can't even know it because they are overgearing every activity they are doing. So yeah this player should definetely be limited by his gear to make him learn some mechanics of the game that he should have learnt by now.

Gear should also be a reward not something throwed at you for doing something absolutely meaningless like afking in a warfront or in front of a world boss. Imagine schools rewarding every student with diplomas regardless of their test results, just free diplomas for everybody.

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hows your ilvl only 385 if you're such an accomplished mythic raider? You mean to say you've never received one titanforged item in all your 44 kills? and somehow everyone else's has titanforged from heroic? You have access to the same raids as everyone else?
if they're getting titanforges from heroics maybe you should go and do heroics too? You're going to get 385 faster than someone else who is doing it without mythics.

Posts like this are a reason why legitimate complaints about the terrible state of the game go unheard. Post screenshots or stop hyperbolizing the situation. I imagine you complained that you didn't get your BiS legendary 1st or 2nd while other 'noobs' and 'scrubs' did. Maybe you're not as good as you think you are and you should re-evaluate how you spend your time playing in order to achieve a better result instead of crying about something that didn't happen.

I did get 2 warforged +10 on thoses 44 mythic boss killed. there is no titanforged on mythic pieces btw since 395 is the limit, you surely know your stuff keep talkin

[Marrilaife]

I think OP needs to differentiate between:
- "people who got to 385 from just lucky titanforging" (world bosses, emissaries, lfr, warfronts...)
and
- "people who got to 385 through mythic+ or high rated pvp" and in those cases it's working as intended as these are meant to be an ALTERNATIVE to raiding as a progression path

Last time someone linked "some lucky titanforged non raider" it was a resto druid with plenty of m+ 10 to 14 completed, so a person who embraced the concept of running m+ as a progression path instead of raiding. Raiding isn't the only endgame, whether we like it or not.

[omegalulz]

I think OP needs to differentiate between:
- "people who got to 385 from just lucky titanforging" (world bosses, emissaries, lfr, warfronts...)
and
- "people who got to 385 through mythic+ or high rated pvp" and in those cases it's working as intended as these are meant to be an ALTERNATIVE to raiding as a progression path

Last time someone linked "some lucky titanforged non raider" it was a resto druid with plenty of m+ 10 to 14 completed, so a person who embraced the concept of running m+ as a progression path instead of raiding. Raiding isn't the only endgame, whether we like it or not.

Yeah I'm totaly fine with that, raiding is just my stuff personnaly so that's why I'm taking it as an example. But in the first case, I personnaly think that you don't even have to be lucky from your weekly, warfronts etc to have the same ilvl as a mythic raider. My alts are not lucky, they just have base mythic ilvl gear from their weekly m+ chests, warfronts etc. The game is just designed in a way to make sure you have this gear by doing the bare minimum

[TheValkyrie]

I leveled a fresh 120 the other day and got 2 385's from Ivus instantly. The same ilvl I had to spend months farming 8/8M Uldir or M+ to get. Imagine dinging 70 during TBC and instantly getting Black Temple gear. This game is a joke now and all the Blizzard apologist's can have fun playing it by themselves when Classic comes out.

[FelPlague]

It is absolutely pathetic to see that people with no Mythic progression what so ever (or at best Taloc/Mother in pugs) have the exact same ilvl as my main that progressed trough Udlir and now counts 44 mythic boss killed actually sitting at 385 ilvl. I also see that with my alts, my DH is 384 and rogue 385 ilvl, both are not even close to have the same time and effort invested of my main.

Truth is, Mythic raiding will only give you gear a little bit faster in this game, but at the end of the day: Blizzard is just throwing Mythic ilvl gear to everybody and for no reason. Just for the sake of everybody being equal, even if you don't do shit in this game they want you to be as geared a hardcore player.

This was already the case in Legion but in BFA this issue has just been so inflated it's seems like a parody. This game has gone to pure shit in every way possible it's fucking pathetic.

got any links? anything, screenshots? pictures? armory? no...? no alright then guess we can just ignore this as fake...
btw i hate titanforging, if it was "buy titanforging with valor, but sometimes items come with titanforged already on them" i would be fine with that, but i miss the days of "bis" instead of "welp i need it to titanforge..."
but this sounds improbable.

[Super Kami Dende]

Why do people care so much about what other people have in a Videogame?

[Fascinate]

371 here, havent done a single mythic+ or raid boss this expansion. I could actually be higher but ive only got one titanforged, and zero drops from the new world boss.

And i find it odd that people in here say stuff like "what do you care" etc etc, well the reason people care is this used to be a well designed game with sensical progression paths that worked well for an mmo like this.. Blizz has since abandoned that for the "you play an hour a day, here is heroic level raid gear" strategy that apparently fits well with the micro-transaction instant gratification crowd that they feel is the core audience these days, i think classic is going to be a big wake up call for them on who their real audience is.

[melodramocracy]

My highest ilvl is 363, so Im not sure what you’re on about here.

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I leveled a fresh 120 the other day and got 2 385's from Ivus instantly. The same ilvl I had to spend months farming 8/8M Uldir or M+ to get. Imagine dinging 70 during TBC and instantly getting Black Temple gear. This game is a joke now and all the Blizzard apologist's can have fun playing it by themselves when Classic comes out.

welcome to anecdotes

[Low Hanging Fruit]

Sounds like skill is more the barrier to entry than gear. Although once a new patch comes out that changes. By the end of it the gear gets caught up again.

[Airlick]

Why do you care? Gear is a means to an end, namely killing bosses.

Could as well get away with gear altogether, then, only leaving unique cosmetics for different types of content.

[Zyky]

You get exclusive traits and trinkets aswell, or did in Uldir in regards to traits.

Exclusive trinkets and traits that are absolutely worthless? Got it.

[Chickat]

I think world content is too rewarding imo. No point doing low-mid mythic+ or lfr/normal raids. I want to play casually, but that doesnt mean I want to do world quests every day. I want to ger heroic dungeon or maybe slioghtly higher in the world, then start on raids. With Uldir being 355, The absolute highest an oudoor peice should be imo is 345.

This isnt coming from some elite mythic raider. Im very casual, but I dont see the point in stepping into raids if I can get gear as good or better with world content. Im literally 371 from an hour a day of world stuff.

[ID811717]

Imagine dinging 70 during TBC and instantly getting Black Temple gear.

Easy. As far as I can remember, I used badged to buy a lot of BT-level gear.

[Chickat]

Exclusive trinkets and traits that are absolutely worthless? Got it.

Yeah raid trinkets should be amazing. I think raid trinkets should be better than dungeon or world trinkets even at lower item levels.

[omegalulz]

Why do people care so much about what other people have in a Videogame?

Because your reward determine the value of my reward ? Why do you think rich people are driving Ferraries and other expensive cars ? Because the value of their car is (in one way) due to the fact that not a lot of people can afford it. If everybody can have something, then this thing have no value. And yes, gear having no value in fucking MMORPG is actually a huge issue.

[Erolian]

I'm 8/8m, 389/390 ilvl, 93? Mythic kills (taken a few weeks off), and frankly I don't care what someone elses ilvl is regardless of the content they've done. I just want someone to let me out of the hell that is WQs/weekly islands being the only respectable compromise between time and AP farming. Gear is just a meaningless stat upgrade that gets replaced every few weeks/months used to continue doing content and I feel bad if that is the reward that keeps people playing

[oldgeezer]

I'm then told, "WQ's, emissary caches, incursions, warfronts, and Mythic +0 all now reward 370 gear." Needless to say, I was floored again.

This is incorrect (although I can't speak for Mythic dungeons as I've never done any).

My main is at 370. WQ's give 325/330 gear. Caches can reward 370 gear, but most give gold or resources. Arathi gives a 370 item once per cycle (i.e every three weeks or so), or 340 gear on repeat. Darkshore is 385/340. Incursions reward a 370 item, but this scales rapidly downward (my 350 alt gets 350 items).

[ID811717]

Because to me if you can have the same gear as a hardocre player while doing no hard content what so ever, just a +10 each week, warfronts and maybe a a heroic raid yeah it definetely means your games doesn't make any sense.

After leveling up a new alt, I usually spend 1-2 weeks spamming M+ and raid pugs to get 1k+ score and 370-ish gear, and then just do weekly M+ and world boss chores. This was enough to put most of my alts at ilvl 380 in bags by now. (My main is 2k++ score and 390 in bags).

I don't think my alts hurt anyone else in this game, but I like having the freedom to quickly reroll whenever M+ meta changes the next time.

[Craaazyyy]

It's easier to get geared as a Mythic raider than to pray for titanforging RNG from world quests.

you dont know the meaning of the word "easy"

[NihilSustinet]

It is absolutely pathetic to see that people with no Mythic progression what so ever (or at best Taloc/Mother in pugs) have the exact same ilvl as my main that progressed trough Udlir and now counts 44 mythic boss killed actually sitting at 385 ilvl. I also see that with my alts, my DH is 384 and rogue 385 ilvl, both are not even close to have the same time and effort invested of my main.

Truth is, Mythic raiding will only give you gear a little bit faster in this game, but at the end of the day: Blizzard is just throwing Mythic ilvl gear to everybody and for no reason. Just for the sake of everybody being equal, even if you don't do shit in this game they want you to be as geared a hardcore player.

This was already the case in Legion but in BFA this issue has just been so inflated it's seems like a parody. This game has gone to pure shit in every way possible it's fucking pathetic.

this is one of the big reasons i quit during legion. i took a break, and came back just to have fun clearing content and being in a guild. the gearing system sucks. wf/tf are a complete shitshow, but ive ju st learned to accept that wow is a shit game now, but raiding itself is still pretty fun.