Story and Lore Developer Live Stream

[RangerDaz]

Seriously, your kin is genocided, your capital destroyed and you are content with some cosmetic crap as "vengeance"? You gotta be kidding me, right?

The only retribution acceptable for the slaughter of the nelves and the destruction of Darnassus is Sylvanas and her toyboy getting skinned alive, tortured, chopped up, impaled and their intestines hanged on the gates of New Darnassus. THAT would be vengeance. Everything else is just another insult for the nelves.

LOL, while that would be fun, it would require time for Blizzard to do cut scenes, and annoy Sylvanas fans, so not coming anytime soon.
But you can skin them all alive for now. You have a Darkshore warfront, daily assaults and you can always pvp and kill NPCs in the Horde faction cities

[Sorshen]

The in game story is planned out months and sometimes years in advance.

I'm not sure this is supposed to make us feel better. Cause it sounds worse than winging this dumpster fire at the moment.
Danuser gets to play with his self-inserts in BfA, bringing us this useless verbal masturbation of a stream...

[Eggroll]

LOL, while that would be fun, it would require time for Blizzard to do cut scenes, and annoy Sylvanas fans, so not coming anytime soon.
But you can skin them all alive for now. You have a Darkshore warfront, daily assaults and you can always pvp and kill NPCs in the Horde faction cities

So the genocide on their kin and the destruction of their capital did not annoy nelf players and fans? Seemed ok for the devs to antagonize the players of the 3rd most popular player race now, didn't it. And apparently they enjoy cruelty alot, so what's the fuzz?

[Sigxy]

I think WC3 is a bad example, because the Horde story right now basically IS WC3's Arthas-Story. If you had to pick a faction in WC3 and not play all of them linearily to see the story, the reactions would have been exactly as bad as they are now in BFA. They just chose the wrong kind of story for a faction-based MMO.

Just imagine you were forced to play only Horde in WC3. What would be your story for the entire major storyline of Arthas following the Scourge and falling to it? Right, you would sit on a boat doing nothing. Which is EXACTLY what the Alliance story feels like this expansion, as Sylvanas is Arthas.

It just does not work. In an MMORPG you do not just play everything and when the story of one faction is non-existant for a while (=10 years) you just say "Well, i would really like to play Alliance, but since the story is on the Horde side right now, no biggy! I'm sure 10 years from now they will eventually get around to telling more Alliance stories and until then i will just play that Horde character i don#t really give a fuck about!"

I don't know, man. People love the story in WC3 from what I understand. While I get what you mean, here's one important thing with the WC3 story which BfA is trying to do, which is what you mentioned doesn't work in an MMORPG: How much of the story in WC3 was actually focused on the "Horde vs Alliance"...?

The tutorial had some Horde vs Alliance, that was one level. We saw a little tad bit of it on the "Official custom campaign" where the Orcs met the Trolls. The Human Arthas campaign didn't have any Horde vs Alliance since it was more about the Blackrock Clan only. Orc campaign had like one mission before they became buddies (Orcs vs Night Elves doesn't count as they weren't Alliance yet). Then we got Rexxar's Campaign which is half Horde vs alliance and closest we got to it... funny enough, that thing was ALSO about bringing the Horde together, haven't seen THAT done before.

Faction stories are boring and overdone. The story has told several times the Horde and Alliance NEEDS to work together to save Azeroth repeatedly. They can't be done in an MMORPG when both sides play them. You can't get any satisfying results from it for both sides.

Seriously, your kin is genocided, your capital destroyed and you are content with some cosmetic crap as "vengeance"? You gotta be kidding me, right?

The only retribution acceptable for the slaughter of the nelves and the destruction of Darnassus is Sylvanas and her toyboy getting skinned alive, tortured, chopped up, impaled and their intestines hanged on the gates of New Darnassus. THAT would be vengeance. Everything else is just another insult for the nelves.

Problem is that this won't happen... and let's be really honest here: If it comes to that and we DO get rid of Sylvanas and her boytoy, do you honestly think the NIGHT ELVES gets to do it? No, it'd be the humans. Because you Night Elves can't succeed at anything without humans helping out like always according to Blizzard.

[Kazlofski]

So to cover for much more bad press recently about Blizzard, did they announce that Arthas was gay yet?

[Dalheim]

That remains to be seen, if she follows her father's path, or if she also turn traitor..

I mean, we already know she doesn't follower her fathers path, which is why she wen't to the Horde for aid to begin with..

[Confucius]

mon, de lore... dis crap, I tell youz

[Eggroll]

Problem is that this won't happen... and let's be really honest here: If it comes to that and we DO get rid of Sylvanas and her boytoy, do you honestly think the NIGHT ELVES gets to do it? No, it'd be the humans. Because you Night Elves can't succeed at anything without humans helping out like always according to Blizzard.

Yeah, apparently these two clowns don't even know Tyrande and Malfurion go way back to the Warcraft series, too, and have seen MUCH more than Saurfang... this is idiotic.

This whole live stream reeked of Horde bias so much you have to really consider they are deliberately trying to get rid of one part of the player base.

[Deleted]

So the whole thing is two dudes stroking eachothers pole through the whole thing. We learned nothing here.
Next time they should stream on a website that starts with a P and end with hub.

[davitsen]

"More strong female characters", as we dont more than enough of that this exp!

First it was Star Wars and now WoW! Fuck off with the politically correct naratives!

[Varodoc]

A livestream of one hour and NOT ONCE did they mention the Alliance. Thanks Blizzard, It's really nice to know how little you care about our "storyline". Oh, what am I talking about, there is no storyline at all, because Blizzard is too busy carefully tailoring the internal dynamics of the Horde to give any attention to the Imperium of Man.

[Deleted]

I mean, you can come up with the greatest story ever, but with this being WoW, there's no way to actually make it on the level of single-player games like the Witcher 3. I mean, Vanilla had no real story, and it was enough to bring millions of players into Azeroth. For a game such as WoW, gameplay should ALWAYS come first, with story being a very minor part, best left for cinematics.

[FuxieDK]

I mean, we already know she doesn't follower her fathers path, which is why she wen't to the Horde for aid to begin with..

Well, we're in Dazar'alor on her father's grace..

[Dalheim]

Well, we're in Dazar'alor on her father's grace..

True, but that's about it, and I do believe his views change after all we've done.

Still, Talanji was the catalyst.

[FuxieDK]

True, but that's about it, and I do believe his views change after all we've done.

Still, Talanji was the catalyst.

Catalyst for what?
We might help her in Nazmir, but if Blizzard pulls a Saurfang on Talanji, the Horde needs to sever all ties to her and stand by Rastakhan..

Too much internal strife is poison and a boon for the Alliance.. We need a united Horde..

[Duridi]

I mean, you can come up with the greatest story ever, but with this being WoW, there's no way to actually make it on the level of single-player games like the Witcher 3. I mean, Vanilla had no real story, and it was enough to bring millions of players into Azeroth. For a game such as WoW, gameplay should ALWAYS come first, with story being a very minor part, best left for cinematics.

So because you don't like WoW's story, it should not be there?

Seriously, WoW is the only story I've ever been this involved with. If anything, I want even more story added. It has so much potential, and so many directions to go. It's spot on in my case.

[Eggroll]

No, it is not a problem. The maximum thing that an Alliance player would do is to get mad and whine but they would still fill the company's pockets with cash. So no big deal.

Not so sure about that...

[Boo Radley]

IIT: expect lots of "Blizzard are bad writers! I don't like the story!"

Remember when J K Rowling and George R R Martin became awful writers when they did something the fans didn't like? No. Exactly.

I had to balk at this comment, because Rowling is famously regarded as a scumbag nowadays for not stopping at book seven and trying to milk her series for woke points, and even the usual whales arent having it. So yes, she is regarded as a writer who was not but is now bad because she did something the fans dont like.

Not a bad comment, just one bad example in the comment. No offense meant, carry on.

[Amnaught]

Yes I do. The tons of unanswered questions in the game right now makes perfect sense, as it did in any expansion before.

Right, like how they answered the questions of why Grommash is on our side, or how timelines work, or why there isn't an alt-Argus/Archimonde?

Lore skimping is what killed WoD for me, I like lore and I like reasons for things happening beyond "Draenor is freeeeee!"

Plot holes break immersion. And that's exactly what these are.

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I had to balk at this comment, because Rowling is famously regarded as a scumbag nowadays for not stopping at book seven and trying to milk her series for woke points

But how else were we supposed to know that Nagini was an amalgam of Asian-people stereotypes and also people at Hogwarts used to not have bathrooms and just go wherever and then magically vanish the evidence?

[Al Gorefiend]

I had to balk at this comment, because Rowling is famously regarded as a scumbag nowadays for not stopping at book seven and trying to milk her series for woke points, and even the usual whales arent having it. So yes, she is regarded as a writer who was not but is now bad because she did something the fans dont like.

Not a bad comment, just one bad example in the comment. No offense meant, carry on.

I haven't seen all the Harry Potter movies so I didn't realize.