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    Quote Originally Posted by Halyon View Post
    On a collective basis, it would solve all problems tbh, but for the individual it would be an anything but literal death sentence.
    I value the self.
    The worst part though is that you would think that you're alive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shadowferal View Post
    The worst part though is that you would think that you're alive.
    I wouldn't, because no self would exist. That said, it would be hard to imagine I guess.

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    You have a point.
    I suspect that the AI would claim differently.

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    In the very very long-term view, it would have to end with some sort of single authority whether that's a single collective consciousness or a single authoritarian Queen-type leader. AI is a computer program underneath, and computer programs are written to solve problems. Evolution is organic slow motion solving of nature's problems. And humans tend to eventually go down the path of least resistance even sometimes at the long-term cost of all humans (pollution for example).

    So over a very long period of time, as humans merge with AI I could see eventually that transition leading to an AI controlled or influenced majority. And since in the very long run an electronic AI that could survive hundreds or thousands of years without the limitations of human bodies and probably have faster processing and vastly more information storage, at some point why keep the humans around? The time needed for interstellar travel that others mentioned in the thread might lead evolution that way too.

    All that said, I think the time of this becoming even a remote concern is many hundreds of years away. There are at least a good 7 or 8 things that are more likely to knock out human life before then. Global epidemic outbreak, asteroid, Yosemite, WW3, terrorism, etc. We've got some hurdles to jump before master AI overlords makes it's way up the list.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lobosan View Post
    Claiming that the brain is some magic antenna? There is absolutely a way to scientifically disprove that. We have the means to detect signals both within and surrounding the brain. News flash, it's not a transceiver.
    I'm fairly sure that he's taken the idea from Watchmen... popular theory that blew up a while ago is that Dr. Mahnattan's superpower is actually mind-body dualism/distinction. Essentially an in-universe affirmation that the mind lies elsewhere and simply controls the body remotely. Most people are unaware of what they really are, but Dr. Manhattan is special because he is aware of what he is and is thus able to control the universe (incl. destroying other people's physical manifestations).

    I believe the antenna example is even explicitly used in the Watchmen comics.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gorsameth View Post
    collective consciousness is not just people talking to eachother, which we have now. The whole thing is that you know everything from everyone at all times.
    You already got that, it is called "googling".

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    I believe I read an article once, that scientists were very close to the technology, that would allow computer chips to be implanted in the brain, however, the brain is still too complicated to properly do it yet. They said it would be possible to create collective consciousness this way, making it possible to share thoughts, ideas, dreams and everything you've seen in sci-fi movies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Unholyground View Post
    I don't wish for it, it was an idea lmao. People really need to get out more.
    You're free to believe any stupd idea. Like most people. Lets just not slap a "scientific" sticker on it...

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    Access to the same information wouldn't access the same consciousness. Everyone will still be able to formulate their own opinions about things. It would only form a collective consciousness if the 'implant' could control aspects of your mind.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Techno-Druid View Post
    If we merge with artificial (general) intelligence, will that ultimately lead to a greater connected consciousness?

    The internet set the stage for the undeniably globalized world we live in and has affected everything from pop culture to politics. People are becoming more politically literate earlier and interested in politics, whether local or global. Even the people against this globalization are themselves perpetuating it by allying and merging their ideologies with others globally.

    With an even greater, interpersonal worldwide connection, I could only imagine whatever effects the internet has had only magnified.
    I am unable to say yes partly because I am not necessarily convinced an AI is going to be as useful as we think it will be.
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    Funny how sci-fi resembles fantasy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Stormbringer View Post
    Of course, this isn't taking into account dark matter, which we still know oh so very little about. A civilization at that point would almost certainly know a great deal about it, or at least one would think they should.

    On a different side of things, some believe that advanced civilizations would instead move to the super-massive black hole at the center of their galaxy, utilizing the immense gravity and constant stream of particles as fuel sources. They would also be havens for the many trillions of years into the future where the only things that will exist are black holes.
    Black Holes,... gravity in general is just too many complications. Meteors, gravitational waves, electromagnetic storms from superheated plasma...Why bother with it, when the void can offer that haven even more, relatively uneventfully for billions of years. Black Holes might be used to gather energy, especially their momentum , basically draining the black hole of its kinetic energy, but not inhabit it as sentients.

    If they have reached their singularity in some form, their sentient minds can inhabit and exist in any form within their void colonies, and most likely beyond. They most likely have billions of virtual worlds as well.

    That is why the Fermi Paradox does not work. We are assuming that higher forms of life would choose to live in gravitational prisons like Earth and around stars/galaxies. If you want your civilization to survive for billion of years you would choose areas that are mostly uneventfull, like spaces between galaxies, or within Void Clusters.
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    In case you didn't notice our culture and religion are examples of collected consciousness. Helping and guiding you, whether you like it or not, to learn and to make something of yourself. Like a nest you ascend from to take flight on your own, to expand through your own being everything life has to offer, in the end for the benefit of you + those who'll follow and come after you, just like the people did that lived before yourself.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Themerlin View Post
    Black Holes,... gravity in general is just too many complications. Meteors, gravitational waves, electromagnetic storms from superheated plasma...Why bother with it, when the void can offer that haven even more, relatively uneventfully for billions of years. Black Holes might be used to gather energy, especially their momentum , basically draining the black hole of its kinetic energy, but not inhabit it as sentients.

    If they have reached their singularity in some form, their sentient minds can inhabit and exist in any form within their void colonies, and most likely beyond. They most likely have billions of virtual worlds as well.

    That is why the Fermi Paradox does not work. We are assuming that higher forms of life would choose to live in gravitational prisons like Earth and around stars/galaxies. If you want your civilization to survive for billion of years you would choose areas that are mostly uneventfull, like spaces between galaxies, or within Void Clusters.
    The problem with that is you'll have no protection once the universe has expanded to the point that things begin getting pulled apart by shear forces. A strong gravity well could protect you from that, theoretically.

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    You can't transfer your consciousness. You'd be making a copy of it. Like how a fax machine doesn't actually transfer the paper.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zython View Post
    You can't transfer your consciousness. You'd be making a copy of it. Like how a fax machine doesn't actually transfer the paper.
    I'm referring to cybernetic augmentation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Unholyground View Post
    Not necessarily elsewhere but possibly everywhere?
    If that were true, the nervous system would only be a link or connection between everywhere and it's functions on the body.

    I call Occam's razor. Why would you go with "conscience is everywhere with the brain being a link" instead of "conscience is in the brain"?

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    Ugh. This post is reminding me of the crappy green ending of Mass Effect 3.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kataeus View Post
    Ugh. This post is reminding me of the crappy green ending of Mass Effect 3.
    i thought they were all crappy endings?
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