Remember what the Orcs gained from the Siege?

[Overlordd]

No, it was not sacked by the alliance. It was sacked by the alliance and the Horde rebels.

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It was Night Elf before the events of WC1. Just because the Orcs decided to settle close to it, doesn't give them any legitimate claims. Again, The Horde and Alliance came to an agreement that Horde will stay out of Ashenvale in exchange for Azshara. Thats in the game .. so arguing against it is non-sense.

Gilneas was blighted, correct?

No, this is not what conquered means. They conquered the Horde under Garrosh by helping Thralls Horde. I'm not sure how this is hard for you to understand. Horde players were on the rebels side, allied with the Alliance.

Oh, and just because I don't agree with the OP or you, doesn't make me an "Alliance player," whatever that means.

A part of Gilneas was blighted. Hence why Sylvanas gave Lorna to Crowley if he remained in Gilneas and took his forces out of Silverpine forests.
It was Varian that said the terms. The Horde had no say in anything and just had to accept negotiations. Varian indirectly threatened the Horde that he would end them basically saying "we allow you to live but we could easily destroy you if we want"

Azshara was under Night Elf control, in vanilla it was just a barren empty wasteland. I dont see that much of the Night Elves controlling it.

Also Alliance pretty much conquered Orgrimmar under Garrosh's rule and sacked it, but allowed the rebellion to take over.

Hence why Alliance were the conquerors and horde were the liberators.

[Syegfryed]

No, it was not sacked by the alliance. It was sacked by the alliance and the Horde rebels.

so yeah, you were wrong, the alliance did sack the city, gladly you now realize that.

[Xykotic]

I mean... Emperor Illidan Stormrage sound pretty good to me.

Can we just have that instead?

[Self Inflicted Wounds]

A part of Gilneas was blighted. Hence why Sylvanas gave Lorna to Crowley if he remained in Gilneas and took his forces out of Silverpine forests.
It was Varian that said the terms. The Horde had no say in anything and just had to accept negotiations. Varian indirectly threatened the Horde that he would end them basically saying "we allow you to live but we could easily destroy you if we want"

Azshara was under Night Elf control, in vanilla it was just a barren empty wasteland. I dont see that much of the Night Elves controlling it.

Also Alliance pretty much conquered Orgrimmar under Garrosh's rule and sacked it, but allowed the rebellion to take over.

Hence why Alliance were the conquerors and horde were the liberators.

Nuance is important here. If the Alliance truly conquered or sacked Org, they would have dismantled the Hordes forces, taken treasure,etc... but they did not. It was a joint operation to stop Garrosh, thats about it.

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so yeah, you were wrong, the alliance did sack the city, gladly you now realize that.

No, you were wrong.

[Overlordd]

Nuance is important here. If the Alliance truly conquered or sacked Org, they would have dismantled the Hordes forces, taken treasure,etc... but they did not. It was a joint operation to stop Garrosh, thats about it.

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No, you were wrong.

The Alliance did walk out with Horde thematic weapons and an iconic racial mount. So technically, they did plunder Orgrimmar.

You can still sack a city without having the need to plunder it by the way.

Also they did conquer Orgrimmar. They literally get a title for it. You are questioning on how long they took hold over Orgrimmar. Which is not the same. The answer is they DID conquer Orgrimmar, but decided to give it to the rebellion as a means of negotiations after they took hold of it.

[Syegfryed]

No, you were wrong.

Did the alliance sack the city? yes

you say they didn't

you were wrong, and i proof that with a direct quote from the game

If the Alliance truly conquered or sacked Org

they did, and they get an achievement and a tittle for it

https://wow.gamepedia.com/Conqueror_of_Orgrimmar

they would have dismantled the Hordes forces

They did that, like i said the kor'kron were dissolved, the rebel army dissolve to rebuild themselves and only et away ebcause varian's mercy.

taken treasure,etc...

And they did, iconic horde weapons and mount
https://wow.gamepedia.com/Hellscream%27s_War_Staff
https://wow.gamepedia.com/Hellscream%27s_Warmace
https://wow.gamepedia.com/Hellscream%27s_Warbow
https://wow.gamepedia.com/Hellscream%27s_Shield_Wall
https://wow.gamepedia.com/Hellscream%27s_Razor
https://wow.gamepedia.com/Hellscream%27s_Doomblade
https://wow.gamepedia.com/Hellscream%27s_Decapitator
https://wow.gamepedia.com/Hellscream%27s_Cleaver
https://wow.gamepedia.com/Hellscream%27s_Barrier
https://wow.gamepedia.com/Reins_of_t...7kron_War_Wolf

but they did not

Yeah they did

thats about it.

No, you were wrong.

[Toho]

Did the alliance sack the city? yes

you say they didn't

you were wrong, and i proof that with a direct quote from the game



they did, and they get an achievement and a tittle for it

https://wow.gamepedia.com/Conqueror_of_Orgrimmar



They did that, like i said the kor'kron were dissolved, the rebel army dissolve to rebuild themselves and only et away ebcause varian's mercy.


And they did, iconic horde weapons and mount
https://wow.gamepedia.com/Hellscream%27s_War_Staff
https://wow.gamepedia.com/Hellscream%27s_Warmace
https://wow.gamepedia.com/Hellscream%27s_Warbow
https://wow.gamepedia.com/Hellscream%27s_Shield_Wall
https://wow.gamepedia.com/Hellscream%27s_Razor
https://wow.gamepedia.com/Hellscream%27s_Doomblade
https://wow.gamepedia.com/Hellscream%27s_Decapitator
https://wow.gamepedia.com/Hellscream%27s_Cleaver
https://wow.gamepedia.com/Hellscream%27s_Barrier
https://wow.gamepedia.com/Reins_of_t...7kron_War_Wolf




Yeah they did

When Orgrimmar is a smoking pile of ruin by alliance hands let me know.
Other than that your examples do not matter one iota.

[Syegfryed]

When Orgrimmar is a smoking pile of ruin by alliance hands let me know.

you want a completely destroyed city in game, just to feed your ego? its not functional, they would rebuild, you already conquer it and sacked and the city was destroyed in lore, if you still don't like it you can bite your pillow

Other than that your examples do not matter one iota.

except they do, and until you proof otherwise your comment matter an iota

[Toho]

you want a completely destroyed city in game, just to feed your ego? its not functional, they would rebuild, you already conquer it and sacked and the city was destroyed in lore, if you still don't like it you can bite your pillow



except they do, and until you proof otherwise your comment matter an iota

Lol. The Alliance keeps getting their cities removed from existence.
Suggest the same thing with Horde cities and suddenly you hear excuses of their impracticality and hundred of other excuses.

Keep enjoying your bias and crying about raids.
I guess I have another achievement to look forward to with conquerer of dazaralor.

I wonder when we get to kill off the 3 remaining characters on the Horde side.

[Syegfryed]

Lol. The Alliance keeps getting their cities removed from existence.
Suggest the same thing with Horde cities and suddenly you hear excuses of their impracticality and hundred of other excuses.

the orcs have only ONE major city, and you want the remove it? and the damn faction capital? you are hilarious

if you want destroy the others, its fair, but orgrimmar? gtfo

Keep enjoying your bias and crying about raids.

BabyRage

I guess I have another achievement to look forward to with conquerer of dazaralor.

I wonder when we get to kill off the 3 remaining characters on the Horde side.

i see, so much horde bias amright

[Toho]

the orcs have only ONE major city, and you want the remove it? and the damn faction capital? you are hilarious

Lol I was just saying it is only a raid. For god sake when it was over there wasnt even a single scratch on the place.
We got conqueror title and you got liberator. big woop. who cares.

if you want destroy the others, its fair, but orgrimmar? gtfo

Ohh whats the term... Babyrage was it?

i see, so much horde bias amright

Oh god I know right? First over powered broken racials and class abilities during vanilla and BC. Then with the constant never ending favortism from Cataclysm?
No wonder only 30% of competitive players are Alliance.

[Syegfryed]

Lol I was just saying it is only a raid. For god sake when it was over there wasnt even a single scratch on the place.

>Zul burn the entire stormwind, not a single tree was changed

We got conqueror title and you got liberator. big woop. who cares.

>complaits thats get nothing
> say shit about what got

BabyRage

Ohh whats the term... Babyrage was it?

no, right now its EleGiggle

Oh god I know right? First over powered broken racials and class abilities during vanilla and BC.

like mor zones and quests for the alliance, >paladins
yeah

No wonder only 30% of competitive players are Alliance.

maybe they shock on their own tears after getting angry because the horde still exist today.

[Toho]

>Zul burn the entire stormwind, not a single tree was changed

Lol you just made my point for me for why attacks that leave no resulting damage are absolutely retarded.

>complaits thats get nothing
> say shit about what got

BabyRage

Lol you realy cant tell I am pointing out your own hypocrisy?

no, right now its EleGiggle

Lol I am suuuuure you are.

like mor zones and quests for the alliance, >paladins
yeah

rofl yeah sure. The Alliance and their buff machines.

maybe they shock on their own tears after getting angry because the horde still exist today.

Lol, yeah sorry facts flew in the face of your imagination.
Typical horde fan boy behavior when confronted about favortism.
Have a nice day and welcome to my ignore list :P

[Self Inflicted Wounds]

The Alliance did walk out with Horde thematic weapons and an iconic racial mount. So technically, they did plunder Orgrimmar.

You can still sack a city without having the need to plunder it by the way.

Also they did conquer Orgrimmar. They literally get a title for it. You are questioning on how long they took hold over Orgrimmar. Which is not the same. The answer is they DID conquer Orgrimmar, but decided to give it to the rebellion as a means of negotiations after they took hold of it.

Can you give any examples? Why would a rival who supposed has control over your city just leave, not take anything, not disarm you, not destroy anything...

In WW2 after the Allies won, the split Berlin up and then sectioned it off. They kept troops there and took money as reparations. The US did the same thing to Japan. Japan was ordered to do away with their military.

https://wow.gamepedia.com/Siege_of_Orgrimmar

Fed up with Garrosh's tyranny, Vol'jin set about uniting the dissenting leaders of the Horde under the Darkspear Rebellion. The Alliance, who had also suffered from Garrosh's warmongering, also wished to depose the mad warchief. The Alliance contacted Vol'jin and helped his uprising in the Barrens. In exchange, the Horde rebels would try to secure Bladefist Bay for them when their fleet came

https://wow.gamepedia.com/Darkspear_Rebellion

Members of the Alliance are also instructed to lend aid to the burgeoning rebellion, to ensure Garrosh's forces (themselves anticipating and preparing for an Alliance invasion) do not gain a momentum over the outnumbered trolls. SI:7 tasks the player character to speak on behalf of the Alliance and to represent its interests to Vol'jin, whose trust the player earns at the culmination of the quest chain.

And here is information on the actual sacking of a city:

https://www.reddit.com/r/AskHistoria...ity_is_sacked/

In WC1 Stormwind was sacked. It was burned. Treasure and food taken. SoO was the Alliance joining together with the Horde to defeat the Sha powered mega racist Garrosh and his followers.... want to know a real sacking? Teldrassil/Darnassus. It was burned, plundered, inhabitants were driven out, and civilians killed.


Now that THAT is over...

I ask again, what do you expect to happen after SoO? Should the Horde and specifically Orcs become powerhouses? Should the Horde and the Orcs never take losses?

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you want a completely destroyed city in game, just to feed your ego? its not functional, they would rebuild, you already conquer it and sacked and the city was destroyed in lore, if you still don't like it you can bite your pillow



except they do, and until you proof otherwise your comment matter an iota

That literally happened to Teldrassil.

[Syegfryed]

Lol you just made my point for me for why attacks that leave no resulting damage are absolutely retarded.

>game limitations
>praticity

it have a lot of retarded things due to gameplay, don't how this is horde bias

Lol you realy cant tell I am pointing out your own hypocrisy?

you lack the skills

Lol, yeah sorry facts flew in the face of your imagination.

"facts"

Typical horde fan boy behavior when confronted about favortism.

"hypocrisy"

Have a nice day and welcome to my ignore list :P

typical alliance behavior, its like turning off the war mode

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That literally happened to Teldrassil.

and to lordaeron

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your point?

[Self Inflicted Wounds]

and to lordaeron

1-1

your point?

The point is, that it CAN happen. So yeah, thats why Org was never sacked.

[Toho]

That literally happened to Teldrassil.

He didnt get conqueror of teldrassil title so it doesnt count.

[Syegfryed]

The point is, that it CAN happen.

it can happen, it will not always happen

look at the implications, the variables

Teldrassil and lordaeron were not the faction capital, they destroyed both at the same time, and the night elves even had other places like hyjal

you want to destroy the main city of the horde, no just a side city, but the capital of the faction, with no counterpart, with orcs having not left? B-u-l-l shit, so only there, only this way it could happen? no matter if the lore says so, if it was not fucked up ingame don't count? please

So yeah, thats why Org was never sacked.

no thats not why, i already proved you that it was sacked, don't bring more headcanon as a fact please

[Self Inflicted Wounds]

it can happen, it will not always happen

look at the implications, the variables

Teldrassil and lordaeron were not the faction capital, they destroyed both at the same time, and the night elves even had other places like hyjal

you want to destroy the main city of the horde, no just a side city, but the capital of the faction, with no counterpart, with orcs having not left? B-u-l-l shit, so only there, only this way it could happen? no matter if the lore says so, if it was not fucked up ingame don't count? please



no thats not why, i already proved you that it was sacked, don't bring more headcanon as a fact please

Most of what you say is head canon.

It factually wasn't a sacking. The Alliance helped the Horde rebels retake Org. The Horde PCs are on the side of the rebels. Logically, the Alliance did not conquer the Horde.

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He didnt get conqueror of teldrassil title so it doesnt count.

It seems like it only counts when people want to whine.

[Toho]

Most of what you say is head canon.

It factually wasn't a sacking. The Alliance helped the Horde rebels retake Org. The Horde PCs are on the side of the rebels. Logically, the Alliance did not conquer the Horde.

To conquer something you need to hold it.
But dont take my word for it.

con·quer
/ˈkäNGkər/Valider
verb
overcome and take control of (a place or people) by use of military force.

A raid doesnt mean you conquered it. It means just that. You raided.

It seems like it only counts when people want to whine.

The thing is the Horde has lost so little over the years that these people simply do not understand. The had never had a city nuked beyond recognation.
I think the Alliance has at least 2 towns, 1 mini-capital city, one capital city. And whatever happened in Gilneas that made them homeless forever.
The only thing the Horde faction needs now is specific quests for rape and child murder to complete their narrative rather than imply it.