A bit of meat, a lot of veg - the flexitarian diet to feed 10bn

[rayden54]

Yup, something anyone can do, whether you live in an apartment or a larger space. You can also grow a ton of vegetables on an average urban/suburban plot of land, if you are a person who has a backyard.

Literally someone's backyard, that they turned into a business.

Good for them. I have a big backyard. It's full of trees (as in it's a hickory woods). Too much shade for most vegetables. Doesn't stop me from trying, but I barely get enough for a side dish, let alone a family.

A lot of people don't even have a porch.

[Alvito]

Yup, something anyone can do, whether you live in an apartment or a larger space. You can also grow a ton of vegetables on an average urban/suburban plot of land, if you are a person who has a backyard.


http://urbanhomestead.org/about/by-the-numbers/

Literally someone's backyard, that they turned into a business.

$75,000 in savings, lost me there. While it might have just been a poorly chosen bullet point that is some straight up bull shit. Things like this also always ignore how expensive it is to get these sorts of things up and running. I say this with about 2/5s of my backyard housing raised boxes for food or fruit trees. You also need a lot of time to deal with a simple garden much less something of this scope. If you don't enjoy it a lot and will hammer through times you don't want to water, weed, prune, plant, check for bugs and all the other issues you might be able to do it. Planning trips is troublesome too. I have 3 people that watch my stuff if I go anywhere 2 of them I keep track of theirs when they leave.

[Celista]

Good for them. I have a big backyard. It's full of trees (as in it's a hickory woods). Too much shade for most vegetables. Doesn't stop me from trying, but I barely get enough for a side dish, let alone a family.

A lot of people don't even have a porch.

You can grow vegetables in a basement apartment with some lamps, and you can grow a lot of things in what you described. If you want to or not, that is a different question.

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$75,000 in savings, lost me there. While it might have just been a poorly chosen bullet point that is some straight up bull shit. Things like this also always ignore how expensive it is to get these sorts of things up and running. I say this with about 2/5s of my backyard housing raised boxes for food or fruit trees. You also need a lot of time to deal with a simple garden much less something of this scope. If you don't enjoy it a lot and will hammer through times you don't want to water, weed, prune, plant, check for bugs and all the other issues you might be able to do it. Planning trips is troublesome too. I have 3 people that watch my stuff if I go anywhere 2 of them I keep track of theirs when they leave.

They've been running their homestead for a long time (I forget how long), I doubt that it is BS. Would you save that much in a year? Obv not.

I suppose it is possible for 75k in savings from an annual grocery bill for a VERY large family, from 6k lb yield of produce, but most families don't eat nearly that much produce in a year.

[Al Gorefiend]

Male birth control is going to help with overpopulation. If it's successful and the side effects are minimal, it should be distributed to low income families who couldn't afford it otherwise.

I think a decent case can be made here in the U.S. that low class households having a disproportionately higher birth rate has to do with welfare providing a set income per child.

[Trumpcat]

If you think stupidity is only in the minds of the young, then I've got a bridge I'd like to sell you.

Definitely not, I should have said "naive". Either way it's predominantly young people who get hooked with socialist ideas.

[psiko74]

Wheres Thanos when you need him? I think we would be better off if half the population died off.

[ellieg]

Male birth control is going to help with overpopulation. If it's successful and the side effects are minimal, it should be distributed to low income families who couldn't afford it otherwise.

I think a decent case can be made here in the U.S. that low class households having a disproportionately higher birth rate has to do with welfare providing a set income per child.

I gotta agree with your second part. I know a few welfare queens with 4+ kids

[psiko74]

Male birth control is going to help with overpopulation. If it's successful and the side effects are minimal, it should be distributed to low income families who couldn't afford it otherwise.

I think a decent case can be made here in the U.S. that low class households having a disproportionately higher birth rate has to do with welfare providing a set income per child.

There needs to be a 2 child limit on welfare.

[The Stormbringer]

Definitely not, I should have said "naive". Either way it's predominantly young people who get hooked with socialist ideas.

I wouldn't say naive works either. Look at all these older people falling for fake news articles, stories, and other random bullshit. Not to mention a general lack of understanding when it comes to technology, social media, new advances in science, etc...

[cubby]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-46865204



Are you doing your bit to save the planet yet? I would just ban private farms and have the government hand out rations every week to limit food waste, be done with it.

Pretty sure the government, which currently denies climate change, isn't going to be aces in handing out food effectively to a growing population. However, the bigger concern is that climate change isn't really on people's "holy shit" radar yet, mostly because if they paid attention, they'd know we should drop everything and make this our #1 global concern.

Unfortunately, we're more than likely going to have to go through the fire and fix it all on the back end. Which I hope will be possible when we arrive.

[GrinningMan]

Sounds like 'pig feed' to me!!!

But in all seriousness it's probably the way to go. Not even from the perspective of 'it'll save da earths!!!' but in general it's probably better for you. I'd argue having meat a little more often wouldn't hurt, but not every day. Just have a lot of whey protein sitting around to supplement what you're missing out on during the days you aren't doing meat.

[Alvito]

You can grow vegetables in a basement apartment with some lamps, and you can grow a lot of things in what you described. If you want to or not, that is a different question.

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They've been running their homestead for a long time (I forget how long), I doubt that it is BS. Would you save that much in a year? Obv not.

I suppose it is possible for 75k in savings from an annual grocery bill for a VERY large family, from 6k lb yield of produce, but most families don't eat nearly that much produce in a year.

Even if it is accurate it is extremely misleading and when you start to blur information like that it at best seems disingenuous, either way it hurts your credibility. By your I mean theirs, hopefully that is obvious. Most families don't make 75k a year much less eat that much so sure it isn't in a year. In the US that is well above the median salary and even in the area they live far above it. More on topic if somebody has a good point they are clear and don't try to mislead or sprinkle in hyperbole. Kinda like if you are having a debate and you have a valid point you stick to the truth, when lies and hearsay get tossed in you can easily sniff out the bull shit. At the top of that list it does say "annual results & yields"

[GrinningMan]

Male birth control is going to help with overpopulation. If it's successful and the side effects are minimal, it should be distributed to low income families who couldn't afford it otherwise.

I think a decent case can be made here in the U.S. that low class households having a disproportionately higher birth rate has to do with welfare providing a set income per child.

So are testosterone levels afterward.

[Celista]

Even if it is accurate it is extremely misleading and when you start to blur information like that it at best seems disingenuous, either way it hurts your credibility. By your I mean theirs, hopefully that is obvious. Most families don't make 75k a year much less eat that much so sure it isn't in a year. In the US that is well above the median salary and even in the area they live far above it. More on topic if somebody has a good point they are clear and don't try to mislead or sprinkle in hyperbole. Kinda like if you are having a debate and you have a valid point you stick to the truth, when lies and hearsay get tossed in you can easily sniff out the bull shit. At the top of that list it does say "annual results & yields"

Yeah it seems poorly worded or possibly misleading and I'd like to know where they got their numbers from, too. I personally can spend $1k a month on groceries just for myself, the dog and the cat (who mostly eat dog and cat food, but also get a lot of meat supplemented in their diet). Veggies can get mega expensive per calorie, depending on the vegetables in question. But that still seems expensive for 2k eggs, 25-50 lbs honey, and 6k produce.

[Witchblade77]

You can grow vegetables in a basement apartment with some lamps, and you can grow a lot of things in what you described. If you want to or not, that is a different question.

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They've been running their homestead for a long time (I forget how long), I doubt that it is BS. Would you save that much in a year? Obv not.

I suppose it is possible for 75k in savings from an annual grocery bill for a VERY large family, from 6k lb yield of produce, but most families don't eat nearly that much produce in a year.

the lamps in a basement are... not great. assuming you HAVE a basement. again, this is a climate thing and cost thing. we have potted fruit trees that we let overwinter in the basement becasue in our climate zone they would die outside. just the amount of electricity needed to keep the basement at a temperature high enough for them to survive (NOT bear actualy fruit, just survive so that they could bear fruit again in a summer and fall), let alone the electric bill for running UV lamps...

are YOU growing your own food? becasue you don't seem to be speaking from experience.

growing supplemental food takes some serious effort, growing ALL your food? is a full time job with permanent overtime.

[Celista]

the lamps in a basement are... not great. assuming you HAVE a basement. again, this is a climate thing and cost thing. we have potted fruit trees that we let overwinter in the basement becasue in our climate zone they would die outside. just the amount of electricity needed to keep the basement at a temperature high enough for them to survive (NOT bear actualy fruit, just survive so that they could bear fruit again in a summer and fall), let alone the electric bill for running UV lamps...

are YOU growing your own food? becasue you don't seem to be speaking from experience.

growing supplemental food takes some serious effort, growing ALL your food? is a full time job with permanent overtime.

What are you talking about? For one, NO ONE said, "grow ALL your food". My original post in this thread was simply to state that ANYONE can grow a plant or two, even in a basement apartment. And two, yes I've been growing things since childhood. And I'm from Alaska where the climate is most appropriate for root veggies and cabbage, and not too much else.

Also...you know there are plants you can keep indoors that don't need as much light as potted fruit trees, correct? If you didn't, you know now. You're welcome.

As an aside, I'm totally amazed that people on this forum can become butthurt from linking a photo that shows how much food you can yield on a residential property. Just goes to how how people can and will take anything personally, and start an argument about it. Sad.

[Strangebrew]

Nope, i'll stick to eating meat. vegetarians are human pond scum.

[Queen of Hamsters]

Won't it be more or less necessary to put in birth control on populations in the future?

If the population keeps growing as it is, no amount of dietary changes will help worth shit.
Besides, I can't picture certain countries to make these changes anyway. I was shocked to learn just how much meat some nations consume.

[xogen]

Yeah no thanks.

[Canield]

If you think stupidity is only in the minds of the young, then I've got a bridge I'd like to sell you.

I've got ocean front property in Arizona. If you'll buy that I'll throw the golden gate in free!