The Legend of Heroes series.

[Tech614]

Unless you know JP you probably shouldn't play 3 anyways.

It's based more off of Ao and Zero which have never released in english anyways then it is off of 1 and 2.

NISA probably gonna get shat on because people don't understand the plot, when good luck localizing it to make sense when the source material it's based on isn't. Even though it looks like they learned from their mistakes with the YS8 localization fiasco with the new hires, this ain't an easy project to localize in the slightest.

Oh and you really don't want NIS doing a PC port for you look at YS lol...

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Possibly. The others have come out on PC (but from XSEED) well after they launched on console. But then again maybe NISA doesn't want to eat shit with another incompetent PC port after the Ys VIII fiasco.

NIS did the PC port not NISA so I don't blame them if they don't want to take heat for something their JP overlords are in charge of and they can do nothing about. Unless they are gonna contract out Durante like Xseed did, no PC port is probably better then a busted as hell PC port.

[Jingoism]

Unless you know JP you probably shouldn't play 3 anyways.

It's based more off of Ao and Zero which have never released in english anyways then it is off of 1 and 2.

NISA probably gonna get shat on because people don't understand the plot, when good luck localizing it to make sense when the source material it's based on isn't. Even though it looks like they learned from their mistakes with the YS8 localization fiasco with the new hires, this ain't an easy project to localize in the slightest.

Oh and you really don't want NIS doing a PC port for you look at YS lol...

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NIS did the PC port not NISA so I don't blame them if they don't want to take heat for something their JP overlords are in charge of and they can do nothing about. Unless they are gonna contract out Durante like Xseed did, no PC port is probably better then a busted as hell PC port.

Zero + AO have fairly good fan translations from what I've read around the web. Gonna give them a try after i finish CS2 or has anyone else here given them a try?

Surely they'll bring on durante for the port. cs1/2 have worked flawlessly, it would be a shame if CS3 is a trainwreck.

[Tech614]

Surely they'll bring on durante for the port.

When it comes to the game industry nothing is sure.

He can probably port the game better and cheaper then the team that did YSVIII but try explaining that to a bunch of Japanese suits.

Also not a fan of fan translation typically, usually overly literal with no editorial skills but it's definitely better then nothing. CS3 really assumes you know all 7 games(especially Zero) and does nothing to try and explain them for you. Basically a must.

[Val the Moofia Boss]

Zero + AO have fairly good fan translations from what I've read around the web. Gonna give them a try after i finish CS2 or has anyone else here given them a try?

Surely they'll bring on durante for the port. cs1/2 have worked flawlessly, it would be a shame if CS3 is a trainwreck.

I posted my notes when I played them on the last page. The current TLs for Zero and Ao are great!

Unless you know JP you probably shouldn't play 3 anyways.

It's based more off of Ao and Zero which have never released in english anyways then it is off of 1 and 2.

Also not a fan of fan translation typically, usually overly literal with no editorial skills but it's definitely better then nothing. CS3 really assumes you know all 7 games(especially Zero) and does nothing to try and explain them for you. Basically a must.

From what the people who have actually played Sen 3 + 4 have been telling me (as well as the asses who PMed me plot spoilers), this is untrue. The Azure-Zero plan isn't relevant to the Phantasmal Blaze plan; all of those plot points stay in Crossbell.



While CS3+4 feature cameos from characters in previous arcs, the Empire arc is at its heart Rean's story. If you're going to play a previous game, I suggest you play FC (mind as well play SC too while you're at it), as CS3+4 very much builds upon the ending theme of that game (FC).

[Tech614]

From what the people who have actually played Sen 3 + 4 have been telling me (as well as the asses who PMed me plot spoilers), this is untrue.

4 is irrelevant here. 4 is a direct sequel to 3.

3 is the convergence point of all all 7 trails games, with a heavy emphasis on Zero in particular. Anyone telling you otherwise is trying to blow smoke up your ass so you will support the game in spite of not being able to understand it. The game blatantly has dialogue that assumes you know what happened in Zero at multiple points in the game.

The only people saying they don't matter probably don't even understand the plot in 3 to begin with.

[Arrashi]

Outstanding. I suspect PC version will be delayed for 2 years past original release date and will be unplayable for 6 months.

Also holy shit, did Falcom screw over Xseed.

On topic of CS vs Ao/zero, Ao/zero is far more relevant to story. 2 CS games basically only try to estabilish some new character while its story basically makes a loop and ends up at starting point.

[Cattleya]

From what the people who have actually played Sen 3 + 4 have been telling me (as well as the asses who PMed me plot spoilers), this is untrue. The Azure-Zero plan isn't relevant to the Phantasmal Blaze plan; all of those plot points stay in Crossbell.

While CS3+4 feature cameos from characters in previous arcs, the Empire arc is at its heart Rean's story. If you're going to play a previous game, I suggest you play FC (mind as well play SC too while you're at it), as CS3+4 very much builds upon the ending theme of that game (FC).

As someone who played them both, I disagree. Zero and Ao are just as important as FC, SC and 3rd when you play CS3 and CS4.

Which is to say, sure you can play them without having played those games. You'll just miss out on so many references, not realize the impact of some character developments/events and only have a tiny idea of what they're talking about every time they mention events from those games because they only give you a very brief and shallow regurgitation of those events.

[blackpink]

Here's to hoping that they learned after the Ys VIII fiasco. If they botch this, they're PR is going to get eviscerated, so they'll get it right.

I don't mean to be rude, but if you truly believe this, then you haven't payed much attention to other companies lol. Plenty of developers botch their products consistently and just get away with it. I mean look at NISA itself as a prime example, it's not just ys 8 they messed up, yet they're still getting the nod for cs 3...

Some companies will outright just repeatedly mess up consistently, and some will have patterns of releasing a shitty product, then apologizing and getting it right for the next one, then repeat with a shitty one thereafter.

[Rogalicus]

On the bright side, at least I have all the time in the world to finish Sora 1-3 and Sen 1-2 before release of playable version of Sen 3 on PC.

[Arrashi]

On the bright side, at least I have all the time in the world to finish Sora 1-3 and Sen 1-2 before release of playable version of Sen 3 on PC.

All the time and then some. I don't expect it to come out on PC before late 2021.

[Val the Moofia Boss]

CS3 IS SAVED!

https://www.twitch.tv/pax2

NISA's localization of CS3


Eric Budensiek [Editor]
Moet Takahashi [Translator]
Ryan Thomson [Translator and proofreading] (worked on CS1 + 2)
Kris Knigge [Editor and consultant] (worked on CS1 + 2)
Brittany Avery aka Hatsuu [Editor/localization producer] (worked on FC, SC, the 3rd, CS1, CS2)

I told you that they'd go all in on this one!

This will be the year of NISA's redemption!

[Tech614]

Yes, most of the best employees at xseed are no longer there so it's a blessing in disguise they didn't get this one because NISA picked them up.

[Arrashi]

Yes, most of the best employees at xseed are no longer there so it's a blessing in disguise they didn't get this one because NISA picked them up.

Maybe for console players, because whats really worrying is quality (and how many decades it will take) of PC port.

[Super Kami Dende]

im currently playing though rials of the Sky and enjoying it, but just curious if completing that trilogy is required for the story of Cold Steel or if Cold Steel just has only minor connections/no connections at all to Trials of the Sky.

[Arrashi]

im currently playing though rials of the Sky and enjoying it, but just curious if completing that trilogy is required for the story of Cold Steel or if Cold Steel just has only minor connections/no connections at all to Trials of the Sky.

Not for first 2 CS games. They are almost completely standalone, especially in how they try to "conceal" the story.

Edit: There is 1 big spoiler at start of CS about 1 character that kinda ruins twist in TiTS. Other than that nothing.

[Tech614]

Maybe for console players, because whats really worrying is quality (and how many decades it will take) of PC port.

Xseed didn't do the PC ports anyways, they contracted Durante to do them, and the ones before CS where ported by NF themselves.

The ports Xseed got Durante to do took 2 years from the western release as well, not sure why you're acting like they got them out day and date mate.

[Arrashi]

Xseed didn't do the PC ports anyways, they contracted Durante to do them, and the ones before CS where ported by NF themselves.

The ports Xseed got Durante to do took 2 years from the western release as well, not sure why you're acting like they got them out day and date mate.

Because they weren't delayed by almost a year 3 days prior to release. And completely unplayable after release for months.
I have absolutely no faith in NiSA after YS disaster.

[Tech614]

Because they weren't delayed by almost a year 3 days prior to release. And completely unplayable after release for months.

Oh and did you stop to wonder now why a PC version wasn't promised day and date with PS4 version?

It's also hilarious you're acting like the PC version of YSVIII was the only thing borked when they had to redo most of the localization in the PS4 version. The entire thing was a mess, their new hires along with them not announcing a PC version right away(which means it's going to take more time) already show they have learned from that shit show.

[Val the Moofia Boss]

im currently playing though rials of the Sky and enjoying it, but just curious if completing that trilogy is required for the story of Cold Steel or if Cold Steel just has only minor connections/no connections at all to Trials of the Sky.

While each arc ties into a larger narrative, each arc ultimately tells its own story with a beginning, middle, and end.

You can play each arc without having played the last game. The Crossbell games have maybe half an hour of cameos from the Sky arc over the course of 100 hours.

A couple characters from Sky appears in CS1+2 as background characters.

CS3+4 brings back characters from Crossbell and Sky as supporting characters, but the focus is on the protagonists native to the CS arc. Also, if you've played FC, you'll be pleasantly surprised to see a core theme of that game come back in CS4.

Obviously, there is enjoyment to be had in seeing how the world and its characters change over the course of the games, but if you want to play a specific game, then go right ahead.

[Arrashi]

Oh and did you stop to wonder now why a PC version wasn't promised day and date with PS4 version?

It's also hilarious you're acting like the PC version of YSVIII was the only thing borked when they had to redo most of the localization in the PS4 version. The entire thing was a mess, their new hires along with them not announcing a PC version right away(which means it's going to take more time) already show they have learned from that shit show.

Yes, and thats why i said i expect it in late 2021. If things go well.

And bad translation at least doesn't prevent you from playing the game. Crashing every 5 minutes does. Also, i will talk about them "learning" anything when i see well done product.