Orcs have no reason to hate humans

[Dalheim]

Yeah,compare the vrykuls,who are the same humans,only taller and stronger and a huge stone creation,which crumbled to pieces,which crumbled into even smaller pieces,that eventually become orcs. Same thing,right?

The basics are the same, they originate from the true beings and are a degraded version that the Titans never intended, doesn't matter how or why, it's same shit.

But you're not up for discussion here, you are just gonna turn everything so YOU are right, so I'm not gonna bother with you anymore.

[Zandalariprelate]

Just came to say 3 words: Arthas and Blackmoore

[Kwento]

Imo what they should have done is a forced march to the Dark Portal. Then they should have built a fortress around the Dark portal with archers and mages on duty at all times killing anything that was coming out of that gate (and no, not one overlooking the Dark Portal from a distance long enough that scouts could get out and noone would notice ffs).
The orcs would then have starved to death in their own planet that they had already completely destroyed. Heck maybe they'd kill and eat each other first.

Too complicated and cruel. One of the reasons the camps became a reality was because humans wanted to show just how different they are to the orcs. I’d simply mass execute every orc that had something to do with the war and sent the rest through the Portal, making it easier for them to survive on the dwindling resources of Draenor.

[Super Dickmann]

Heck the trolls have massive historical grounds to hate EVERYONE.

They did get fucked over again and again and again. The Night Elves' tendency to get shafted must be genetic from their troll ancestors.

[Amaterasu65]

more than 2/3 of the draenei race whiling to ally with sargeras in exchange of power



And if humans and elves are too weak to get almost wiped by orcs it means that they have what they can protect

its a two ways argument, people claim that orcs cannot live because they came from another world and have no rights to live here by this reason alone, if this argument is true then should be applied to other races as well, like humans who are also, unnatural in this world, but titan constructs degenerated, and the natural races, like trolls and taurens have the rights on the world.

Your logic is so weak I can't even. Humans are Azeroths NATIVES. Nobody said orcs can't live here but unlike the Draenei who crashed on Draenor and Azeroth and lived peacefully with the other races, orcs invaded a world so they can slaughter them all and take it for them, jesus.

[Felixon]

more than 2/3 of the draenei race whiling to ally with sargeras in exchange of power



And if humans and elves are too weak to get almost wiped by orcs it means that they have what they can protect

its a two ways argument, people claim that orcs cannot live because they came from another world and have no rights to live here by this reason alone, if this argument is true then should be applied to other races as well, like humans who are also, unnatural in this world, but titan constructs degenerated, and the natural races, like trolls and taurens have the rights on the world.

Those were draenei? Do you even know what's the difference between an ereder and a draenei? And what is natural to this world then? If titans wouldn't arrive,the only native thing to the Azeroth would be the creatures of the void. Vrykuls,thus humans,were created by the titans to protect Azeroth. Orcs were a leftover Aggramar's creation,who had nothing to do with the Azeroth.

[Combatbutler]

They did get fucked over again and again and again. The Night Elves' tendency to get shafted must be genetic from their troll ancestors.

So true and rather weird humanity is among the oldest races and was utterly insignificant until the elves more or less uplifted them and yet are seen as one of the driving forces of the franchise, despite being a footnote for almost their entire history.

[valky94]

At least humans (vrykuls) were created by the titans on purpose and were not a degraded product of their creation. And where am I baiting,exactly?

humans are degraded products of titan creations (degraded vrykuls that were infected by the curse of flesh)

[steelballfc]

i hate humans too
So...

[Dalheim]

humans are degraded products of titan creations (degraded vrykuls that were infected by the curse of flesh)

Don't even bother, its ''toly difrnt guiz!!''

[Syegfryed]

Also they drank the blood on their own choice, because they are brainless warmongering evil piles of garbage, and they do it every time.

They didn't know it was demon blood unlike other races who knew what they were doing

They were the same evil warmongering filth without drinking demon blood

Warmoner yes, after Garrosh militarize then to the next lv, before they were ok

Draenor was a world where if you are not a warmonger you go extinct

If you are gonna say they were tricked, you could say the same about the draenei?

A totally fully evolved race knowing almost everything about the cosmic forces with spaceships x a race of tribal people who live in huts and believe in everything the spirits say

RLY FAIR

Also, did you just say that the Night Elves became evil when a small fraction of their higher caste betrayed them and 90% of the NE population had nothing to do with it? Same thing can be said about the Draenei. While the orcs have this urge for war and blood in their veins, they cannot help being evil screaming wretches.

not just a small amount, the point is they KNEW what they were up to, those are way more corruptible races than orcs who were a primitive race who got tricked.

[Amaterasu65]

humans are degraded products of titan creations (degraded vrykuls that were infected by the curse of flesh)

And Thalassian Elves are degraded Night Elves. Point is?

[Syegfryed]

Those were draenei? Do you even know what's the difference between an ereder and a draenei?

The difference is name, velen rename thenselves

And what is natural to this world then?

Anything who is a titan construct after being cursed the curse of flesh

If titans wouldn't arrive,the only native thing to the Azeroth would be the creatures of the void. Vrykuls,thus humans,were created by the titans to protect Azeroth. Orcs were a leftover Aggramar's creation,who had nothing to do with the Azeroth.

the titans constructs were created by the titans, the vrykuls are degenerated constructs and humans are the leftlovers after being degenerated again.

They are unnatural, and have as many rights in this as orcs, the right of conquest.

[Dalheim]

And Thalassian Elves are degraded Night Elves. Point is?

The OP is acting like the Orcs is nothing but an accident and not intended by the Titans, as if the humans aint.

[valky94]

And Thalassian Elves are degraded Night Elves. Point is?

they arent degraded, they just changed apperence because their font of power changed, same goes for nightborne, they arent straight up inferior to night elves, unlike humans are to vrykul

[Felixon]

The difference is name, velen rename thenselves




Anything who is a titan construct after being cursed the curse of flesh



the titans constructs were created by the titans, the vrykuls are degenerated constructs and humans are the leftlovers after being degenerated again.

They are unnatural, and have as many rights in this as orcs, the right of conquest.

"
And what is natural to this world then?
Anything who is a titan construct after being cursed the curse of flesh" what?

[Super Dickmann]

So true and rather weird humanity is among the oldest races and was utterly insignificant until the elves more or less uplifted them and yet are seen as one of the driving forces of the franchise, despite being a footnote for almost their entire history.

We do have such highlights of Stormwind almost losing a war to gnolls and needing Medivh to bail them out of a fight with a Gurubashi Empire that wasn't even in decline - it had flat out collapsed.

Go thirty years later and Human Potential (TM) has insured that they reign over much older, much more powerful races and are effectively the entire Alliance and soon Horde leadership and are better at them in their respective specialties. A forty year old human mage is better than 10k + year old casters linked to titan relics. A human paladin is in charge of a 25k year old army imbued with the cosmic power of the Light. The human logo is on tanks, rather than dwarves, who's leadership they reformed singlehanded by holding their queen at sword point. A human teenager has perfect understanding of orcish honor that one of their greatest heroes can't decide on. All without Stormwind ever having any culture or internal conflict that wasn't whitewashed.

It's all so tiresome.

[Combatbutler]

And Thalassian Elves are degraded Night Elves. Point is?

That the elves, trolls, Tauren were never a creation with a purpose in mind, they are actual lifeforms that are supposed to just exist, unlike Titanforged who by all means are tools designed to do a single job and the moment they stop doing said job, they are defect. Dwarves, humans and gnomes are all broken tools, orcs were an unintended side effect.

[Trumpcat]

The Horde generally have no reason to hate the Alliance, not just the Orcs. The Horde has always been the aggressor, regardless of what leader is used as an excuse. Which is what makes them so appalling to me. The hostility they got from the Alliance is what they brought on themselves.

[Kwento]

Humans are Azeroths NATIVES.

Humans were created out of Vrykul by Old Gods (not entirely intentionally). Vrykul were created by the Titans from Azeroth’s crust. Can humans be considered native, if their origins depended on two separate species, one being Titans, who are literally living alien worlds and another being Old Gods, who aren’t even from this reality?
And yes, if not for titans, life on Azeroth wouldn’t have started to bloom... As far as we know. But! Most life, such as trolls and Wild Gods, had a second origin, being the Well of Eternity, which is a pool of Azeroth’s blood.
I believe that humans are as “native” to Azeroth as orcs who were born there.