Horde being farmed...

**kylista** · 2019-01-25, 05:48 PM

Lol this is the best popcorn thread ever. Alliance has dealt with being the underdog, and has face the exact scenarios you bitch about (killed in base, 40-man raids sweeping through zones, flightpaths camped, etc.)
This is comical that now you are dealing with the same thing, the response that we got about "Just turn off Warmode" seemingly doesn't apply to you.

Yeah, we got a single 400 piece for slaughtering you. It doesnt make that big of a difference. Can I point out that Horde repeatedly got weapon emissary rewards, got to queue for arathi warfront with no ilvl requirement to get that 370 piece handed to you a full cycle before Alliance had access, and you've been able to breeze through with your 10% warmode bonus without consequence.

We got aggressive because it was worth it for damn near the first time all expansion.

**Reachie** · 2019-01-25, 06:19 PM

Originally Posted by bigbleach

Jealous..? Why should one faction literally get feed gear the other faction cannot get..? I mean I understand alliance need a crutch and all, but taking handouts is kinda pathetic. We aren't jealous of it, its bullshit that the rewards are not equal.

Sounds like you are 100% jealous.

You haven't dealt with being constantly ganked and camped for 10 years, finally alliance gets something!

**Tread** · 2019-01-25, 06:23 PM

Originally Posted by kylista

Lol this is the best popcorn thread ever. Alliance has dealt with being the underdog, and has face the exact scenarios you bitch about (killed in base, 40-man raids sweeping through zones, flightpaths camped, etc.)

Why weren't you posting feedback about camping then? Are we supposed to hold your hand and do it for you?

Originally Posted by kylista

This is comical that now you are dealing with the same thing, the response that we got about "Just turn off Warmode" seemingly doesn't apply to you.

Yeah, we got a single 400 piece for slaughtering you. It doesnt make that big of a difference. Can I point out that Horde repeatedly got weapon emissary rewards, got to queue for arathi warfront with no ilvl requirement to get that 370 piece handed to you a full cycle before Alliance had access, and you've been able to breeze through with your 10% warmode bonus without consequence.

We got aggressive because it was worth it for damn near the first time all expansion.

I just love that 90% of Alliance is clearly missing the point in this thread and is posting arguments that clearly have nothing to with this issue.

Arathi or emissary rewards are not arguments - you had the same thing. We started with warfront quest, you started with world boss, quit bitching around. You had Darkshore first now. Does Horde cry? No.

Point of this thread is about simple injustice which is free gear and free ap. 30% buff is ridiculous. I have a brother in Alliance, and thanks to this buff he farmed 40 level of Azerite neck in 2 months. I started playing in September and I have 39. Do you see my point?

Yesterday I was pugging new raid. I ported back to Zuldazar to get coins and wanted to quickly come back. It took me 30 minutes to get back to raid, because the moment I landed in city I started getting camped by alliance. I died 10 times before I got it and somehow managed to go back.

Why would I let Alliance be in my capital, my sanctuary, my safe haven, kill me dozen times and just smile saying while next Alliance players stabs me in the back. "Hey! It's all ok! You are the faction with fewer players, just go ahead and treat me as a quest mob again and again! It's ok! After all you are a refugee held by Blizzard hand and HOW DARE I POST A THREAD ABOUT IT WITH FEEDBACK THAT THERE'S SOMETHING WRONG?! After all it's just "PVP"."

I have a feeling that most alliance players here misses the point of this topic and clearly don’t see an issue as long as they get their free stuff!

I’ve lost hope in Blizzard listening to feedback long time a go, because I know - they don’t, but I am gonna try one more time to post some feedback to fix this mess.

1. Make hubs guarded.
Fix the camping of flight masters. Anyone who tries to PvP in a camp gets a painful slap by guards/flightmaster. Players need time to land, prepare, go out in the world and have a chance to look around and rest. Farming individuals in groups is not PvP, it’s a slaughter.

Give the same quest to Horde.
Interest Horde to PvP as well and go out in the world. Make equal groups of people clash and fight for glory, personal gain and most importantly fun! We would see then which faction is the best(Horde ofc, let’s not fool ourselves :P). Right now it’s just steamrolling Horde because they have nothing to gain from forming groups because they simply have nothing to gain from it.

3. Balance shards in number of players.
When shards are balanced, it would be easier for players to organize and form groups to strike back the raiding groups.

**agentsi** · 2019-01-25, 06:31 PM

I'm kind of with the OP on this.

Getting ganked while out doing a World Quest? No biggie, I have WM turned on. It is to be expected.

Dying from landing on a flight path, or logging into the game, then being camped for 30+ mins. That isn't quite the same thing.

The Warmode imbalances are the issue. If there are 50 players in a zone with it on, make sure its mostly even faction wise. Half the time I log in or am at a FP, we are outnumbered at least 5-1.

Putting stronger guards in the "safe" areas isn't a terrible idea. They did it like that for most expacs.

**Flutterguy** · 2019-01-25, 06:56 PM

Gee, Blizzard, how come the Alliance gets TWO capitals in BfA?

**nToxik** · 2019-01-25, 07:48 PM

Originally Posted by agentsi

I'm kind of with the OP on this.

Getting ganked while out doing a World Quest? No biggie, I have WM turned on. It is to be expected.

Dying from landing on a flight path, or logging into the game, then being camped for 30+ mins. That isn't quite the same thing.

The Warmode imbalances are the issue. If there are 50 players in a zone with it on, make sure its mostly even faction wise. Half the time I log in or am at a FP, we are outnumbered at least 5-1.

Putting stronger guards in the "safe" areas isn't a terrible idea. They did it like that for most expacs.

Well Horde also did this en mass prior to 8.1 Both Horde and Alliance do this now. I guess the answer still is "turn off WM".

**Bhorin** · 2019-01-25, 07:58 PM

Originally Posted by Elidan456

I have never seen 20+ horde standing in front of a gate with the only goal of gripping them away from the gate. Most of the time people don't even fight and just let the alliance be. I personally let them summon.

Send me a photo of 100+ skeletons in front of an instance that is not from this week.

This shit was common place the first couple weeks of expansion with 20-40 horde sitting at Tol Barad entrance. I am not sure why you would believe it, but here is a screen shot + details on the photo that shows the date to be August 24th.

https://i.imgur.com/o0QTJlu.jpg

**Evilfish** · 2019-01-25, 08:35 PM

Originally Posted by nToxik

Well Horde also did this en mass prior to 8.1 Both Horde and Alliance do this now. I guess the answer still is "turn off WM".

The answer was never to turn off WM, don't be daft, it was the problem. As far as I'm concerned it still is, cause aside the reset day when we see some action and even that died down lately or appears at odd hours, otherwise I barely see any Alliance. And to be honest I haven't checked on my Alliance character for a few weeks now, but I suspect it's the same weepy rp-ers crying over the trade chat about Horde bias cause the Horde got better PVE-ers.

**Phookah** · 2019-01-25, 08:38 PM

"If you don't like it, turn it off!"

-Horde, 2018

**yoma** · 2019-01-25, 08:46 PM

"If you don't like it, turn it off or form your own group!"

**Very Tired** · 2019-01-25, 08:53 PM

So now we've finally come to the shitshow of Blizzard trying to balance two unbalanced factions... Seriously, just remove the rewards and bonuses from Warmode. It should only be for people who actually enjoy world PvP. We all know the rewards are just there in the first place to attract sheep so the pvpers have someone to easily gank. And with the current model it's less PvP and more like RvP (raid vs. player).

**Bhorin** · 2019-01-25, 09:08 PM

Originally Posted by Very Tired

So now we've finally come to the shitshow of Blizzard trying to balanced two unbalanced factions... Seriously, just remove the rewards and bonuses from Warmode. It should only be for people who actually enjoy world PvP. We all know the rewards are just there in the first place to attract sheep so the pvpers have someone to easily gank. And with the current model it's less PvP and more like RvP (raid vs. player).

The funny thing is we're closer to balanced than we have been since like week 1 of the expansion, except now horde are crying bloody murder when they have to face alliance whatsoever even though they are still outnumbering alliance.

**Nadiru** · 2019-01-25, 09:12 PM

Originally Posted by Bhorin

The funny thing is we're closer to balanced than we have been since like week 1 of the expansion, except now horde are crying bloody murder when they have to face alliance whatsoever even though they are still outnumbering alliance.

Its not fun for them to be in a position where they might die, that's not supposed to happen!

**Kiri** · 2019-01-25, 10:22 PM

Originally Posted by Bane-Thunder-God

Then switch it on? What are you so scared of? Your pixels dying? It's not a big deal.

You can even look through my post history I've never once complained about being ganked, it happens but its not often enough for me to cry about it(maybe cause i like a challenge). And I've been alliance for MANY years and expansions now. Only now with Zandalari trolls im considering going Horde.

It's all about utility. I have more fun playing with warmode talents. But I have less fun when I have to wait 30 min to finish my emissary since there is no other allies about to help me stem the stream of horde doing the azerite wq I need. So, I usually just go without it and do not care.

However, what irks me most about this is not even that. What I like most in WoW is dungeons and raiding - both things where the PvP talents are disabled anyway, meaning my class is less fun to play either way thanks to warmode. I just don't like the concept in and of itself. If it was just there for those who want to pvp, that would be fine. No bonuses, no incentives, no special talents. Just pvp if you wanna, don't if you do not want to. That's how it worked for many years.

**kylista** · 2019-01-25, 10:31 PM