Trolls on Alliance

[Dellis0991]

you already have humans in the horde, they are called forsaken. Nathanos is a human too.

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Wrong. The Amani Empire didn't have beef with Arathi Humans, it was High Elves who had issues with them. The Arathi Humans only helped out the Elves in their time of need in exchange for the ability to learn magic otherwise Humans and Trolls don't have much beef. The Human kingdom of Arathor never went to war with the Amani trolls officially like the High Elves did. The High Elves were in open war with the Trolls.

The Amani trolls were a threat to ALL who weren't them, they even hated other trolls. Amani trolls hated the blood elves and humans, if they defeated the blood elves they would have turned the eyes on the humans next purely out of curiosity and that curiosity usually would end with them declaring war on the humans simply because they were not them.

[gurutikka]

The Amani trolls were a threat to ALL who weren't them, they even hated other trolls. Amani trolls hated the blood elves and humans, if they defeated the blood elves they would have turned the eyes on the humans next purely out of curiosity and that curiosity usually would end with them declaring war on the humans simply because they were not them.

With all due respect, it was Quel'Thalas vs Amani Empire NOT Arathor vs Amani Empire. It has always been the High Elves who were at war with the Trolls not Humans. Humans just wanted to settle in, possibly expand and conquer. They had no personal beef with Trolls like the Elves did.

[Vonazak]

Well, Amani trolls could very well be in the Alliance. After all, all that matters is just the latest slight done to a group of people that invalidates all the terrible things other people did to them. We just need Sylvanas scoffing at them somehow and bam, presto-allied-race for the Alliance. History, affinity and sense never matters for that. And hey, they also move races around to "spice things up" so why not, right? Or does that only work towards the Horde? There should be a couple classic Horde nations going Alliance, now that's innovative!

Never. They prefer to die out than join the alliance.

[gurutikka]

Never. They prefer to die out than join the alliance.

so they would rather team up with the elves that wanted to wipe them out back during the amani wars than team up with humans who never really waged war on them? Ok. Good logic. Elves have killed more Trolls than Humans ever have.

[Dalheim]

so they would rather team up with the elves that wanted to wipe them out back during the amani wars than team up with humans who never really waged war on them? Ok. Good logic. Elves have killed more Trolls than Humans have ever.

Uhm, the humans aided in the Troll Wars, you know that right?

The humans had fought against the trolls before, but not a full scaled war. They still hated each other, and they've continued to hate each other since then.

[gurutikka]

Uhm, the humans aided in the Troll Wars, you know that right?

The humans had fought against the trolls before, but not a full scaled war. They still hated each other, and they've continued to hate each other since then.

And why did they aid? Ever thought of that?

And that's exactly what I am saying, Arathor never went full scale open war on the Amani Empire like Quel'Thalas did. Quel'Thalas has been fighting the Amani Empire for ages...Long before Arathor even became relevant.

Thus if anything, the Trolls should hate Elves more than Humans.

[Rasula Elfbiter]

Weirdly enough, Blood Trolls are the most Alliance-leaning troll tribe.

They had absolutely no problems accepting colonel Conrad as one of their own, later SI:7 supplied them with weapons to stir up trouble in Nazmir. Well we also wiped a village of them in 8.1 as Alliance but still.

Most important, their biggest bad blood (pun intended) is with the Zandalari and by proxy with the whole of the Horde. They have much less grudges against the Alliance, if any, unlike all of Eastern Kingdoms troll tribes.

Of course they're also cannibalistic savages and sadists worshipping the worm-god of AIDS. But hey, stuff void elves do isn't -that- better. Perhaps with G'huun dead, all it would take is Alleria to show a void trick or two, or maybe Tyrande getting very unscrupulous with allies, and they'd gladly follow an Elf-Ma'da to carve up some Horde.

Their culture is very dark and pretty much unique compared to light-hearted voodoo, pyramids and dinos we had for trolls since vanilla. Something to go well with the Void side of the Allance.

Oh and Blizz also said they won't become an allied race.

[Psykho]

To be honest the most likely candidates for Alliance trolls are the Dark Trolls and the Blood Trolls, the Blood trolls are sort of iffy, but Dark Trolls could work, that NPC in Zuldazar said that the Shadowtooth were wiped out, not the Dark trolls, for all we know there's a second dark troll tribe up on Mount Hyjal just hiding in a cave, just waiting for Brann or Tyrande to check if their there, they might even explain them not having a Speaker in Zandalar as this tribe being even more isolated from the other trolls

[Dalheim]

And why did they aid? Ever thought of that?

And that's exactly what I am saying, Arathor never went full scale open war on the Amani Empire like Quel'Thalas did. Quel'Thalas has been fighting the Amani Empire for ages...Long before Arathor even became relevant.

Thus if anything, the Trolls should hate Elves more than Humans.

That's irrelevant. They hate each other and that's all that really matters.

They'll never join the alliance, and if Blizzard adds a troll race to the alliance, is the day they've given up on lore.

[Dellis0991]

With all due respect, it was Quel'Thalas vs Amani Empire NOT Arathor vs Amani Empire. It has always been the High Elves who were at war with the Trolls not Humans. Humans just wanted to settle in, possibly expand and conquer. They had no personal beef with Trolls like the Elves did.

I know, that didn't mean that the Amani wouldn't turn their gaze on the humans next.

[Obvious10]

Sadly, the dark trolls seem to be virtually extinct as of BfA.

There's an NPC in Zuldazar who tells you they were wiped out by the Twilight's Hammer

Yes indeed the Shadow Tooth clan is almost wiped out.

But, as dark Trolls are cave Trolls.... there is always a possibility they hang somewhere around....
I would love this as a plot....

[Combatbutler]

With all due respect, it was Quel'Thalas vs Amani Empire NOT Arathor vs Amani Empire. It has always been the High Elves who were at war with the Trolls not Humans. Humans just wanted to settle in, possibly expand and conquer. They had no personal beef with Trolls like the Elves did.

This is wrong the Trolls had long raided humanity and despised them, long before the humans made an alliance with the elves, it was the main motivation for the Arathi to subdue the other humans and create the first human nation in the hopes of surviving a direct confrontation and after learning what the trolls were capable of realizing that without the elves they were screwed and thus agreed to help, getting as much out of the deal as possible.

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I know, that didn't mean that the Amani wouldn't turn their gaze on the humans next.

They already raided them regularly.

[Zequill]

If the Blood Elves allied themselves with the Horde that killed so many of their member and made them retrait to their capital, I'm sure the Amani, under a new leadership, could join the Alliance. After all, they only joined the Old Horde so they could scalp some Elves heads.

[Fullmetal89]

Honestly, the Highmountain Tauren and Zandalari or some other Troll race should have been given to the Alliance and in return Horde should have gotten Eredar and Kul Tirians (Pirates). Blizzard is really under using allied races. Rather than just giving the factions the same races but with different skins, they should give the oposing faction a variation of one of their races like they did with Void Elves and Highborne

[Combatbutler]

If the Blood Elves allied themselves with the Horde that killed so many of their member and made them retrait to their capital, I'm sure the Amani, under a new leadership, could join the Alliance. After all, they only joined the Old Horde so they could scalp some Elves heads.

That will go over well with the high and void elves in the Alliance.

[Lorca]

This post reminds me of those we had a time ago defending the idea of the Mag'har to join the Alliance. Most trolls just hate other races. Even a big part of the Zandalari, who are the most... educated and open-minded of the Troll tribes, are xenophobic af. I'd love to know what would that Zandalari bartender in the great Seal tell a Human or a Gnome. Or a Velf. Could be gold.

[gurutikka]

That will go over well with the high and void elves in the Alliance.

There are a very few handful of high elves existing in the Alliance, probably like thousand or so and Void Elf population is about roughly a hundred. Most likely since these Elves are not affiliated with Quel'Thalas anymore, they could be seen as outcasts by the Trolls hence they would have a lesser reason to hate them. Blood Elves on the other hand, their population is massive and pretty much still hanging around in Quel'Thalas which the Amani Trolls historically despise. Trolls realistically should have more of a reason to hate Blood Elves than any remaining small remnants of High Elves or Void Elves who are no longer affiliated with Quel'Thalas AKA The Troll's historical arch-enemy.

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That's irrelevant. They hate each other and that's all that really matters.

They'll never join the alliance, and if Blizzard adds a troll race to the alliance, is the day they've given up on lore.

There are many Troll races that are not with the Horde, any Trolls who are neutral have an equal chance to join the Alliance if given the motivation.

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This is wrong the Trolls had long raided humanity and despised them, long before the humans made an alliance with the elves, it was the main motivation for the Arathi to subdue the other humans and create the first human nation in the hopes of surviving a direct confrontation and after learning what the trolls were capable of realizing that without the elves they were screwed and thus agreed to help, getting as much out of the deal as possible.

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They already raided them regularly.

You are wrong. Arathor was never locked in an open war with the Amani Empire, not until the very end during Thoradin's era. It was Quel'thalas only that had an ongoing war with the Amani for several ages. And the only reason Thoradin agreed to aid the Elves against the Trolls was because they would promise them to teach magic to the humans. If the Elves said NO to teaching them magic, the Humans would have backed out of the war. Troll Raids of Human towns and vice versa does not necessarily mean they were officially at war. Raiding and skirmishing is not really an act of war just a nuisance, Humans viewed the Amani as primitive and not their equals which could be one of the reasons why they didn't care to go for a full-on war with them. The truth to the matter is, the Humans didn't care to go to war with the Amani and only did so because they wanted to learn magic from the Elves. It's really not rocket science, go and read some history on the Kingdom of Arathor's dealings with the Amani Empire.

If the Elves chose not to teach Humans magic, you can bet your ass the Humans would have backed out from the war.

[Combatbutler]

You are wrong. Arathor was never locked in an open war with the Amani Empire, not until the very end during Thoradin's era. It was Quel'thalas only that had an ongoing war with the Amani for several ages. And the only reason Thoradin agreed to aid the Elves against the Trolls was because they would promise them to teach magic to the humans. If the Elves said NO to teaching them magic, the Humans would have backed out of the war. Troll Raids of Human towns and vice versa does not necessarily mean they were officially at war. Raiding and skirmishing is not really an act of war just a nuisance, Humans viewed the Amani as primitive and not their equals which could be one of the reasons why they didn't care to go for a full-on war with them. The truth to the matter is, the Humans didn't care to go to war with the Amani and only did so because they wanted to learn magic from the Elves. It's really not rocket science, go and read some history on the Kingdom of Arathor's dealings with the Amani Empire.

Read chronicle, the trolls were raiding the humans and the Arathi decided to unite humanity, so they had a chance against them in war. It was never a question if the trolls attacked them, but when they were sitting on ancient troll land after all.

[gurutikka]

Read chronicle, the trolls were raiding the humans and the Arathi decided to unite humanity, so they had a chance against them in war. It was never a question if the trolls attacked them, but when they were sitting on ancient troll land after all.

You read chronicle. The only reason Humans aided the Elves was because they promised them magic. I don't get what part you don't understand, am I not speaking clear english? The High Elves of Quel'thalas were always locked in a war with the Amani Empire. Arathor was not. Arathor was NEVER in a state of open war with the Amani Empire. And the only reason Thoradin helped Quel'thalas was because the High Elves promised to teach humans magic.

I am done here. Looks like I am going in circles with you.

[Combatbutler]

You read chronicle. The only reason Humans aided the Elves was because they promised them magic.

Plain and simply no