WoW is pulling a HotS

[d00mh4cker]

1. it makes it so older content does not feel pointless cause who knows, you mgiht get somerthing
2. why the fuck do you care what loot your friend has?
3. i hate titanforging, but your blowing it out of the water to an insane amount.

I'm arguing on internet, didn't realize.
You win.

[ArenaDk]

Warmode if you arr alliance.

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You still don't get it, the issue was never if dudes running only WQs are at a higher overall ilvl then a mythic raider.
The issue is that you CAN proc an item to be of higher ilvl or equal of what drops from mythic raid bosses. That's the issue.

Why should you be rewarded (even if very rare) the best items in game for doing the easiest content?
Dont you see the issue here?

If i were progressing in mythic raid waiting for my first loot and my friend who plays a couple of ours a week received a titanforged 420 ilvl from a stupid WQ while i was whiping in raid for 12 hours straight.... can't you see the issue here? I bet most people can recognize some sort of a problem here. Can't you?

1. well I have to kill 20 horde player , but I want to afk.

2. in classic the best feral head was for level 45 and easy to get. No one complained about having 1 item being easy to get , since you will probably have to farm 20 other.

People only complain because people post when they get a titanforge, but not every time they don’t get one. Which makes it look as if it happens often.

BTW you remember airship fight icc? Uldua first boss ? The woltk open pvp raid ( thousand winter iN german )

[Otimus]

I count LFR and pugs as solo play aswell. There is no communication needed. The other players might aswell be NPCs/AI.
You can get equal ilvl from world quests as you get in mythic raid. All content have the possibility to drop the highest possible ilvl.

If someone were to play a Call of Duty or Battlefield game online by themselves with strangers, would you also call that not multiplayer too?

MMORPG players are so dang weird.

[Pu3Ho]

If someone were to play a Call of Duty or Battlefield game online by themselves with strangers, would you also call that not multiplayer too?

MMORPG players are so dang weird.

Imagine understanding that it's not a CO-OP elements what makes MMO into a fucking MMO, COMMUNITY does it - the thing which doesn't exist in current WoW.

[Gorsameth]

Massive Multiplayer Online.
Think WoW has that.
Plus the community very much still exists. You not participating in it is not the games fault.

[Otimus]

Imagine understanding that it's not a CO-OP elements what makes MMO into a fucking MMO, COMMUNITY does it - the thing which doesn't exist in current WoW.

But that wasn't what was said.

[FelPlague]

Imagine understanding that it's not a CO-OP elements what makes MMO into a fucking MMO, COMMUNITY does it - the thing which doesn't exist in current WoW.

no, what makes a game an MMO is Massivly, multiplayer, online.
meaning that you play with a massive amount of people at once, not that there is some community...
or league of legends would be an "MMO" even though youcan only play with 10 people at a time "it has a big community, so its an mmo"

also the community is still huge, i make friends all the time, and the entire rp community is huge and tight knit, even with its drama.
maybe you not being able to find a community speaks more about you... then everyone else.

[Flutterguy]

HotS was always considered a joke in the MOBA scene. Who the fuck designs a MOBA with communist shared reward structures?

Then you have the clowny degenerate skins and retarded map design.

It's a casual players dream. I honestly feel sorry for the "pro players" that just got fucked in the ass by Blizzard.

Ironically Overwatch and WoW are also considered a joke in the e-sports scene. Overwatch attempts to appeal to non-gamers and is an absolute clusterfuck to follow. WoW is the same although their GCD nerfing attempts were to address that.

Miss Fortune was so frumpy, amiright?

[rrayy]

Yes you can. All content can drop the highest possible ilvl. Even if the base ilvl is not as high you can still proc the highest possible ilvl in game, in all content.

OOh, so you might get one. Thew chances of a full set are basically nil. So, there is nothing to complain about.

[Deletedaccount1]

Pretty much this. I really wish people would just stop projecting and see justifications for their biased opinions everywhere. Correlation still isn't causation. Maybe people just leave because it's FUCKING 15 YEARS OLD and they get bored, not because [Blizzard doing XY].

People getting old doesn't explain why the same people trying to like the game today are simply unable to do so. The game as a whole is not as well-designed as well as it was 10 years ago, plain and simple.

[kpzcei]

no, what makes a game an MMO is Massivly, multiplayer, online.
meaning that you play with a massive amount of people at once, not that there is some community...
or league of legends would be an "MMO" even though youcan only play with 10 people at a time "it has a big community, so its an mmo"

also the community is still huge, i make friends all the time, and the entire rp community is huge and tight knit, even with its drama.
maybe you not being able to find a community speaks more about you... then everyone else.

Oh Felplague got banned? LOL

[FelPlague]

Oh Felplague got banned? LOL

Oh the irony...
I was waiting to reply to this...
but oh dear lord the irony...

But shall we stick to the subject?

[Irian]

I mean, OP's really not wrong. I really love HotS but that's pretty much what happened.

People joined for a moba and then thought "what the fuck, this isn't a moba" and left. The game was too streamlined. They hyperfocused on the parts people liked, teamfights and PvP combat, and stripped the aspects of the game that made those things feel really rewarding.

This is a one-for-one what's been happening to WoW for ages, this simple path of "streamlining is good so let's streamline, remove all the stuff people don't like". The problem is that the rest isn't rewarding when the framework is stripped away, and it becomes a skeletal framework of a game. Some people might like that game, sure, but the majority that came for a certain kind of experience are left unsatisfied by the lack of meat.

Basically people are going to Blizzard games for a huge juicy stake and are getting a tiny, expensive cut of filet mignon.

[Super Kami Dende]

Putting aside that the game as a whole isn't just the raids; I'd love to see a LFR team from legion/WoD/BFA era try heigan the unclean.

Heigan was one of the easiest bosses in there. He had awful damage and zero mechanics outside of his dance. In our 25man nax, after nearly everyone died from the dance, myself and TWO other people killed him from Half HP. If 3 people could kill a BFA LFR boss at the ilvl suggested for it I would be surprised.

Naxx/OS was a fucking joke compared to even LFR now.

[huth]

OK, lets put that aside then, still you can get as high ilvl from solo content (world quests) as a top mythic raider.

Not with any kind of reliability. A Mythic raider will always have higher iLvl than you.

Yes you can. All content can drop the highest possible ilvl. Even if the base ilvl is not as high you can still proc the highest possible ilvl in game, in all content.

Theoretically, yes. Practically, chances are you've never seen that happen since 7.0. The probability is so low you're unlikely to ever see a +30 TF proc in your entire gaming career. Getting a mythic raid equivalent out of a WQ is a once in a lifetime event, and that doesn't even guarantee it's useful to you.

Your concerns are meaningless because they don't realistically happen. You're getting all worked up about something that is less likely than getting struck by lightning and surviving.

[THEORACLE64]

the threads on this forum are so full of shit these days they might as well rename it bidet-champion honestly.

[Relapses]

This thread requires a GearScore of at least 6350 to understand.

[FelPlague]

Heigan was one of the easiest bosses in there. He had awful damage and zero mechanics outside of his dance. In our 25man nax, after nearly everyone died from the dance, myself and TWO other people killed him from Half HP. If 3 people could kill a BFA LFR boss at the ilvl suggested for it I would be surprised.

Naxx/OS was a fucking joke compared to even LFR now.

The only thing that made heigan hard was that the cones for the dance were not easy to see, the floor was such a fucking mess of cracks it was hard to tell just how fart the damage dipped.

[Playintrafic]

WOTLK was stupidly hardcore compared to current game. get out.

No it really wasn't. It had no artifact power grind (required by higher end guilds). Its hardest raiding mode had mechanics comparable to our middle tier raiding mode. It had stupid easy rep grinds. Dungeons were faceroll easy. No mythic+ existed then for you to push yourself. I had 5 BIS characters at the end of ICC. That was half the classes then. I had everything but mage and warlock in some form of icc gear.

One thing most of you casual are the end of wow naysayers fail to understand, wow was always the casual mmo. When it came out it vanilla, it was the casual mmo.

[korijenkins]

I'm still waiting for them to introduce loot boxes and put class-based gear sets in them.

"Hey guys, we heard you missed having class specific gear from raids, so we decided to sell them!"