[Spoiler] How Sylvanas deals with dissent

[Kieldon]

Can't wait for 8.3

"How dissent deals with Sylvanas"

[Rendark]

she'd whip his ass. she's extremely powerful

She's so powerful that she can be killed by a gun shot to the back of her head.

[Verdugo]

She's so powerful that she can be killed by a gun shot to the back of her head.

Find me one Alliance/Horde character that wouldnt be.

[Super Dickmann]

She's so powerful that she can be killed by a gun shot to the back of her head.

That's usually lethal. Even Jaina got taken down by the Great Equalizer in one of the books.

[sillag]

I mean, Thrall's colossal failure as Warchief did put into motion the chain of events that put Garrosh in charge, got him back in time and made him create the Mag'har/Iron Horde, so you aren't entirely off the mark. But really, writing them in any way but their current version would be nonsensical. Even if/when they invariably pussy out and change Geyarah's line and later have her rebel, that won't change the fact that they suck out the souls of fallen Alliance soldiers and they declare their aim is draenei genocide within 5 minutes of landing on Azeroth.

man its pretty fucked up. at this point even though i like the honorable horde better im gonna be backing sylvanas murdering one by one every one considering a horde rebellion because idk how blizzard imagines they can have any credibility when this gaggle of fucking layabouts "deposes" her and declares the horde honorable again. if i have to see lor'themar and baine get a medal for "saving the horde" i will be sick.

[Super Dickmann]

man its pretty fucked up. at this point even though i like the honorable horde better im gonna be backing sylvanas murdering one by one every one considering a horde rebellion because idk how blizzard imagines they can have any credibility when this gaggle of fucking layabouts "deposes" her and declares the horde honorable again. if i have to see lor'themar and baine get a medal for "saving the horde" i will be sick.

Pretty much. They all discredited themselves already by doing fuck all about Teldrassil, Lordaeron or what have you. They all supported her up to and including 8.1. Them acting shocked about what Sylvanas does to one dude while as an Unholy Death Knight I'd be doing worse shit as part of my standard rotation is hilarious. Even more so when their breaking point is her putting a guy in prison after he engages in an objective wrongdoing instead of all the shit she's pulled before.

They're jokes and they deserve to taste the jackboot and ask for seconds. It's why Sylvanas is the right choice Horde-side. Better to be willfully evil than to be some gutless dupe and enabler who is later treated as a great hero despite being culpable in all the same shit she is. And hey, you get to be on the right side sometimes. Her treatment of Baine is well overdue and 100% justified. In this instance, she did nothing wrong.

[Eazy]

Barring "It's time to even the scales" Post-WotLK Sylvanas sounds better.

I've actually been going back through the Warcraft III Campaigns since they've finally fixed them, and there are some instances of voice acting that really aren't great. Don't get me wrong, they got it right on a number of counts (ie, Grom, Arthas, most of the units), but there are some heroes, and minor named NPCs that aren't done well at all.

It's not the biggest problem in the world considering how a lot of the voices came from random people at the Blizzard office, but the voice acting in Warcraft III wasn't universally good.

I totally agree. For example I didn't like that much Illidan's voice in Wc3.

I'm wondering how every character is going to sound in the Reforged version of Wc3... especially because it's rumored that the Arthas voice actor said he won't be working with Blizzard.

[Mehrunes]

I disagree. If they wanted it to be like GoT, they've succeeded. The writing is ass, the conflict is black and white and the in-universe consistency and morality are in the same spot. When those two hacks running the show didn't have Martin's character writing to lean on, they immediately lost it, but even before that, with how they simplified Tyrion into le ebin meme dwarf and turned Stannis into a one-note fanatic only saved by Dillane's performance, the signs were there. Also, despite cutting out the slow paced books, the plot still moves glacially and repetitively. The standout being when they did Stannis plot 1 for 1 again, except with Jon and Daenerys' plot 1 for 1 again, except with Tyrion.

You can actually make a convincing case that the Burning of Teldrassil makes more sense, both in execution and consequence, than Cersei blowing up the Sept.

What is this heresy? Dorne storyline in the show is a masterpiece.

[Super Dickmann]

I totally agree. For example I didn't like that much Illidan's voice in Wc3.

I'm wondering how every character is going to sound in the Reforged version of Wc3... especially because it's rumored that the Arthas voice actor said he won't be working with Blizzard.

The new Arthas voice actor is a bit meh in the blood elf heritage quests, but I think he can grow into it. I actually like Sylvanas' new voice better and Jaina is always solid. My main worries are Grom and Mannoroth, because their original VA is great and all the effects they do for demon/old god voices now just don't measure up.

[steelballfc]

Find me one Alliance/Horde character that wouldnt be.

aundin/jaina
*sarcasm*

[Wildberry]

it didnt make any sense, even without considering the use of the plague. literally sylvanas circumnavigated the area like 5 minutes after she returned from northrend.
the durability excuse was only a weak try of garrosh of shut down lydon remostrances...

I've already told you this a million times: Prove intent or drop this (bad) point.

You are missing the big picture, if horde were able to solve it's internal struggles alone, they wouldn't need Alliance intervention once every two expansions.

If a character like Baine is solving the Horde's internal struggles, there's no real distinction to be made between us and the Alliance.

But no, they just don't have any grasp of character writing. Martin's story may move at a snail's pace in the later books, but he's always good with characters. D&D've misunderstood Stannis as this ambitious dumbass being steered around by Melisandre from the start. Cutting out his 'cart before the horse' line and making it Melisandre be the one who tells him to go to the Wall instead of his decision was just the culmination of that. And I have no idea how they got this idea, since the books spell out for you time and again that ambition is not his motivator.

Aren't D&D on record as literally stating they don't understand why Book Stannis had such a large following?

It's the same thing with Jaime. The bit where in the book he rejects Cersei's advances because he wants to live up to what the Kingsguard means and their relationship crumbles is replaced with him pushing the White Book away and fucking there so they can write more weirdly supported incest for two more seasons at the cost of his development.

Let's not forget they glossed over his Riverlands arc. When it finally came, he chose to reaffirm his loyalty to Cersei instead of burn letters.

Couple that with ignoring her obvious parallels with Aerys only to have him bail because she lied to their enemies. They just don't know what they're doing.
In that sense, the Horde leaders only caring about Derek is indeed very GoT-like.

At least D&D can claim they get incest porn out of their bad decisions. What does Golden et al. get from this? That's the real question.

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especially because it's rumored that the Arthas voice actor said he won't be working with Blizzard.

IIRC, he said the same back in WotLK. I guess they were offering to pay him less for it or something.

I'm wondering how every character is going to sound in the Reforged version of Wc3

Honestly, I'm pretty concerned about the following:
-Grunt
-Peon
-Footman
-Necromancer

With regard to just the base units, those ones really felt right. Here's to hoping they don't mess them up too much. (Honorable mention goes to the near-unused OrcWarlord soundset).

The new Arthas voice actor is a bit meh in the blood elf heritage quests, but I think he can grow into it. I actually like Sylvanas' new voice better and Jaina is always solid. My main worries are Grom and Mannoroth, because their original VA is great and all the effects they do for demon/old god voices now just don't measure up.

With regard to heroes, Grom's a pretty big concern. I wasn't over the moon with WoD Grom, so if they book the same guy, I genuinely hope the Reforged crowd is going to make all voice actors listen to the original lines on repeat.

[Mehrunes]

I've already told you this a million times: Prove intent or drop this (bad) point.

You mean how Garrosh deliberately forbade the Forsaken from using their most potent weapon in Gilneas despite it being the most important front (at least as far as Garrosh viewed it) Forsaken were involved at, even though they were outright given strains of the Blight with Horde's seal of approval to use in other areas? By doing so Garrosh was explicitly deliberately gimping the Forsaken in Gilneas.

And your remark about how they were capable of taking a beating does in no way change the fact that Garrosh did idiotically throw them into a meatgrinder that was killing them en masse because durable or not, the Forsaken aren't immortal. When he could have attacked it from air and sea whenever he wished to.

[Mahmeya]

And that's exactly why he should have, this shows that she doesn't respect traditions. Garrosh was a tyrant but he accepted, he respected Horde values (gosh now I'm defending Garrosh).

She, being cunning as she is, would deny it and claim something that he have no right to ask for it being a traitor.

But everyone would know she was not a true Warchief.

Garrosh was a nationalist/supremacist, of course he'd respect a tradition coming from his people.

the Horde are build on Orcish tradition

Yet, I doubt there's anything that forces the other races to accept them.

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The horde is, with addition of several races with culture way too far from the orc-tauren-troll core, far too incoherent. Heck, the horde is not prepared for the fact that there might be problems of this type, as we can see. Everything about the cinematic and the reaction of the leaders shows that most of them have no friggin' clue what to do about it. (Edit: and as some people pointed out, they are in this clueless state since Teldrassil)

[omeomorfismo]

I've already told you this a million times: Prove intent or drop this (bad) point.

how you want i prove it? by logic?
garrosh strategy doesnt make any sense, he was always presented as a great strategist and if sylvanas could improvise a better one clearly garrosh wasnt interested only in the gilneas conquering.

by story?
the valkyr visions clearly show how the garrosh actions have only the result in the annyhilation of forsaken's forces.

by dialogues?
its clear how lydon is trying to reason with garrosh to save forsaken forces and how garrosh is impatient to send them to death. now, considering that is your only argument, can you prove that garrosh wasnt only making sophistries to shut down lydon and genuinely thought that his strategy was good?

[tilatequila]

Guys!

Rokhan has NEW ARMOR!
Like... They gave Lor'themar a new model, but Rokhan gets armor that isn't even mythic!

Some day, he might even become an official Horde leader!

Id be happy if they just gave him a recolored Vol'jin, that model is dope

[Sesethi]

Oh noes not Zelling he was 2 days away from retirement

[Nemah]

"You will leave the Horde in ruins!" Yeah Baine, like fraternizing with your enemy and making the whole effort of Horde War campaign completely useless is so much better.
She should have just shot him right there

Also, these animations in in-game cutscenes are so painful to watch.

I have decided to model my real life motions while talking after these. It will keep life interesting.

[Verdugo]

I have decided to model my real life motions while talking after these. It will keep life interesting.

Dont forget to raise your hands forward with an emotionless expression when you are shocked.

[Zandalariprelate]

Guys!

Rokhan has NEW ARMOR!
Like... They gave Lor'themar a new model, but Rokhan gets armor that isn't even mythic!

Some day, he might even become an official Horde leader!

Maybe this mean the writers will give him some spotlight and even leading some questline /S

[steelballfc]

how you want i prove it? by logic?
garrosh strategy doesnt make any sense, he was always presented as a great strategist and if sylvanas could improvise a better one clearly garrosh wasnt interested only in the gilneas conquering.

by story?
the valkyr visions clearly show how the garrosh actions have only the result in the annyhilation of forsaken's forces.

by dialogues?
its clear how lydon is trying to reason with garrosh to save forsaken forces and how garrosh is impatient to send them to death. now, considering that is your only argument, can you prove that garrosh wasnt only making sophistries to shut down lydon and genuinely thought that his strategy was good?

who presented garrosh as "great" strategist ?