Could Tyrande beat Nathanos in the actual lore?

[Ialwaysaskquestionsso]

I just don't get it that Nathanos somehow survived a deity powered being.

[etheldald]

he was empowered by 2 valkyrs and he could not complete his task to raise ALL dead kaldorei there,he had to flee.
yes, she can.

[lolidk]

Yes. She can do that any time she wanted to. She can even beat 5000 Nathanos with her eyes closed and her hands tied in her back.
What can a "Human Ranger Lord" do to a "Goddess power vessel"? Supposedly nothing tbh.
In Darkshore. She beats the shit out of him and ended up fleeing with a result of a dead bikini angel.
My only big problem is that Nathanos survived BOTH Malfurion and Tyrande. Tyrande alone could just toy him around and make him her human sized doll.

[Sevyvia]

No one can pierce the plot armor.

[Razorice]

Lore-wise yes.
Blizzard story telling is just... whatever.

[Magnagarde]

The leader of the Army of the White Hearthstone can't do anything to boy-toy Nathanos Insertcaller.

[DemonHunter18]

I just don't get it that Nathanos somehow survived a deity powered being.

he was empowered by fodder Valkyrs that no one even heard about.

it surpasses an amp from Elune who can defend you from the likes of Archimonde so I guess it makes perfect sense... for current Bllizzard team.

[Wilfire]

Nathanos can't beat neither Tyrande nor Malfurion. Fortunately he had the player character with him, who CAN beat both Tyrande and Malfurion.

[Super Dickmann]

Of course, she did so in-game.

[ArenaDk]

Nathanos can't beat neither Tyrande nor Malfurion. Fortunately he had the player character with him, who CAN beat both Tyrande and Malfurion.

Without artifacts ? Haha, no.

[Willhouse]

No she cant.She has weakened and Nathanos is at his full power right now.

[Raetary]

he was empowered by 2 valkyrs and he could not complete his task to raise ALL dead kaldorei there,he had to flee.
yes, she can.

some val'kyrs should not be able to compete with the powers of a goddess.

[Thage]

he was empowered by 2 valkyrs and he could not complete his task to raise ALL dead kaldorei there,he had to flee.
yes, she can.

This. Nathanos was being funneled power and still botched the job. On his own, Nathanos's only real skills are being super good with a bow and tongue-polishing Sylvanas's boots. Part of why BFA is so pants in the lore department is because characters like Nathanos are able to throw down against someone like Tyrande and live to smugly talk down to everyone later.

[Super Dickmann]

This. Nathanos was being funneled power and still botched the job. On his own, Nathanos's only real skills are being super good with a bow and tongue-polishing Sylvanas's boots. Part of why BFA is so pants in the lore department is because characters like Nathanos are able to throw down against someone like Tyrande and live to smugly talk down to everyone later.

This has to do with how barren the Horde cast is and how overpowered the Alliance one is in turn.

Blizzard decide they want to do a Forsaken v. Night Elf Warfront. On the night elf side, you have two who are already basically demigods in Malf and Tyrande. Forsaken wise, you have one character at that level, that being Sylvanas, and she's off limits because she's A) Warchief, B) Busy being evil. This leaves Nathanos, since all other notable Forsaken are also basically normal people who happen to be skilled. It must be Nathanos because he's the only other A-lister. God knows you're not going to have the Alliance story be about Shandris, Maiev and Tyrande and the Horde one about like Helcular or some shit.

So you set up your Nathanos vs Tyrande fight. Except before you've even started they've decided that Tyrande is going to get an even bigger buff, rather than say, a race-wide one to tie into the night elves reclaiming their identity as something other than doormats and pumpkin farmers. Tyrande would logically win, and she does, but you can't make the Horde guy look entirely useless, that's reserved for our main contenders for Warchief, so Nathanos still raises people even though he loses. End result - even though Tyrande wins and is shown to be superior to the point where even buffed by the Val'kyr one of our A-list characters can't do much of anything to her, Alliance players are still unsatisfied.

[etheldald]

Nathanos can't beat neither Tyrande nor Malfurion. Fortunately he had the player character with him, who CAN beat both Tyrande and Malfurion.

bro, tyrande and malfurion are basically raid bosses.

[Adalwolf]

People here act as if Val'kyrs were not a big deal, but you forget that the Twin Val'kyrs in the Trial of the Crusader were "the last Boss" in the raid: they were the ultimate challenge set up by Tirion Fordring to test the champions that were going to assault the Icecrown Citadel.

Plus, Nathanos isn't just "any hunter": Even tho he hasn't any special powers, he is one of the most skillful mortal hunters alive. Raw power isn't everything. Sometimes, cunning and wits beats raw power. That's pretty much the only reason the Alliance hasn't obliterated the Horde yet: the Horde outsmarts the Alliance.

[Nerovar]

Danuser is growing stronger. Soon nobody will be able to defeat him.

[Thage]

People here act as if Val'kyrs were not a big deal, but you forget that the Twin Val'kyrs in the Trial of the Crusader were "the last Boss" in the raid: they were the ultimate challenge set up by Tirion Fordring to test the champions that were going to assault the Icecrown Citadel.

Sure, but the val'kyr we've seen serving Sylvanas are far weaker than those the Lich King held under his thrall. Alliance redshirts have been able to hold their own against Sylvanas's val'kyr, and an Alliance adventurer early in his career is directly responsible for the death of at least one of the ones personally tied to Sylvanas's respawns.

Plus, Nathanos isn't just "any hunter": Even tho he hasn't any special powers, he is one of the most skillful mortal hunters alive. Raw power isn't everything. Sometimes, cunning and wits beats raw power. That's pretty much the only reason the Alliance hasn't obliterated the Horde yet: the Horde outsmarts the Alliance.

The Horde doesn't really do "smart tactics," like, ever. The Horde's specialty is in blitzkrieg warfare, and every time we've seen the Horde go to war since Garrosh, it's overwhelmingly reliant on short wars and overwhelming numerical odds. Once the fight evens up, or drags out too long, the Horde starts getting its collective teeth kicked in because the Alliance has a technological edge (gnomish tech tends to be more reliable than goblin tech, something mentioned way back in vanilla due to the differences in production theory; gnomes refine and refine, goblins come up with a jury-rigged, working design and move on to minimize costs and maximize profits) and a tactical edge (the Horde's go-to tactic in the war campaign is zerg rushing, the Alliance's is subterfuge and sabotage).

Nathanos only survived because he had convenient plot armor. Pre-buff Tyrande could've smoked him. Post-buff Tyrande should have mopped the floor with him considering she AoE oneshotted a good dozen-plus Forsaken. SDM's got the right train of thought here--Nathanos was given plot armor because Blizz never really addressed their core problem with the Forsaken, that Sylvie was the only one of any noteworthy ability and the rest were just varying degrees of yes-men to her.

[Dakhath]

Nathanos is invincible as long as he serves as that devs self-insert.

[Pu3Ho]

Sure, but the val'kyr we've seen serving Sylvanas are far weaker than those the Lich King held under his thrall. Alliance redshirts have been able to hold their own against Sylvanas's val'kyr, and an Alliance adventurer early in his career is directly responsible for the death of at least one of the ones personally tied to Sylvanas's respawns.

The Horde doesn't really do "smart tactics," like, ever. The Horde's specialty is in blitzkrieg warfare, and every time we've seen the Horde go to war since Garrosh, it's overwhelmingly reliant on short wars and overwhelming numerical odds. Once the fight evens up, or drags out too long, the Horde starts getting its collective teeth kicked in because the Alliance has a technological edge (gnomish tech tends to be more reliable than goblin tech, something mentioned way back in vanilla due to the differences in production theory; gnomes refine and refine, goblins come up with a jury-rigged, working design and move on to minimize costs and maximize profits) and a tactical edge (the Horde's go-to tactic in the war campaign is zerg rushing, the Alliance's is subterfuge and sabotage).

Nathanos only survived because he had convenient plot armor. Pre-buff Tyrande could've smoked him. Post-buff Tyrande should have mopped the floor with him considering she AoE oneshotted a good dozen-plus Forsaken. SDM's got the right train of thought here--Nathanos was given plot armor because Blizz never really addressed their core problem with the Forsaken, that Sylvie was the only one of any noteworthy ability and the rest were just varying degrees of yes-men to her.

"A problem with forsaken not having anyone noteworthy than Sylvanas"? It was like that even @WC3 Brah.. there was literally a DreadLord as hero for UD lol, Arthas was noteworthy and Kelthuzad, both went epics pinniatas for players route.