China: Turkey Demands China Close 'Concentration Camps' Holding Muslim Uighurs

[Independent voter]

Turkey demanded Chinese authorities respect human rights of the Muslim Uighur minority and close “concentration camps” imprisoning them.

More than 1 million Uighurs are being tortured and “politically brainwashed” in camps and prisons in China, Turkish Foreign Ministry spokesman Hami Aksoy said in a statement on the ministry’s website Saturday.

While Turkey and China broadly have good relations, Aksoy said he was responding to the death of Uighur poet and musician Abdurehim Heyit in a Chinese prison. Turkish media said he was tortured to death in a so-called re-education camp in China’s Xinjiang Uighur Autonomous Region.

“The re-emergence of concentration camps in the 21st century and China’s systematic assimilation policy toward Uighur Turks are great embarrassment for humanity,” Aksoy said.

http://time.com/5526022/turkey-deman...uslim-uighurs/

I've often wondered why the Muslim world is quiet when it comes to the Muslim Uighurs situation.


Why do you think this is?

[George Lucas]

Because the only Muslim nations that aren't weak are Turkey, Saudi Arabia and Iran, but even those are easely dwarved by China's power and wouldn't dare to meddle in Chinese politics. Of course they also have different smaller reasons for not doing much about this situation.
While Turkey is certainly interested in protecting the Uighurs, they are just a local power and are not able to project their power outside of a few weakened neighbours. In addition Turkey also needs to expand their economical ties with China, because of their shaky relations with the west, Russia, Syria, Iran, the Saudis and almost all other neighbouring countries.
The House of Saud are just selfish and don't give a fuck about other people.
Iran is led by Shia while the Uighurs are Sunni and Tehran also heavely depends economically on China.

[Mihalik]

I've often wondered why the Muslim world is quiet when it comes to the Muslim Uighurs situation.


Why do you think this is?

Because in China the public opinion can't be swung. Due to the nationalistic tendencies of the Chinese they'd just perceive it as foreign meddling. The other reason is because without being able to swing public opinion you don't really want to fuck with the Chinese government. They might just end up financing your political rivals.

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Because the only Muslim nations that aren't weak are Turkey, Saudi Arabia and Iran.
While Turkey is certainly interested in protecting the Uighurs, they are just a local power and are not able to do anything. In addition Turkey also needs to expand their economical ties with China, because of their shaky relations with the west, Russia, Syria, Iran, the Saudis and almost all other neighbouring countries.
The House of Saud are just selfish and don't give a fuck about other people.
Iran is led by Shia while the Uighurs are Sunni and Tehran also heavely depends economically on China.

Basically this too.

Well there's also Indonesia, but Indonesia is economically dependent on China, so it will sit down and shut up. The same for the Caucasian Muslim majority nations who are stuck between rock and a hard place (Russia and China).

The Saudis will finance Wahabbi preachers, the Sunni terrorist organization of the season, but otherwise will do exactly nothing helpful or productive, ever.

[Darya]

Turkey can fuck off.

[Socialhealer]

so? that's like a crippled unarmed man surrounded by a pack of hungry lions saying, go away you cannot eat me.

[Mihalik]

Arabs are not exactly fond of Turks and Turkmen. The Uighurs are ethnically turkish. It's not just about religion.

That's another point often missed. Muslims are ethnically diverse and apart from the sectarian differences there are plenty of ethnic differences.

[cparle87]

Because in China the public opinion can't be swung. Due to the nationalistic tendencies of the Chinese they'd just perceive it as foreign meddling.

That's actually really scary. When a nation, any nation, becomes so self-absorbed that they can't be told anything they don't want to hear by anyone else and simply dismiss it as "meddling."

[George Lucas]

Well there's also Indonesia, but Indonesia is economically dependent on China, so it will sit down and shut up. The same for the Caucasian Muslim majority nations who are stuck between rock and a hard place (Russia and China).

Indonesia is also in no position to interfere in any place outside of Indonesia. They will face enormous struggles in the future, because the biggest homogeneous group in their country only makes up around 40 % of their population and as seen many times a common language is not enough to hold such a vast and poor nation together. The unifying factor was the struggle against the Dutch. Islam is used to substitute this struggle, but that is already blowing up in the governments face.

[Alex86el]

Sultan Erdogan's regime talking about human rights. Ironic.

But i'm pretty sure Turkey is correct in this case.
Even though i haven't looked into it, i just "know" China.
It would be weird if they didn't act the way Turkey claims.

Just like Turkey, Russia, Israel, Iran, and other such countries,
China just doesn't care about globaly accepted laws or institutions, and just do as they please.

To an extend, the CPC cannot quite comprehend some things of the western world and how/why they are allowed to happen.
It is the reason for many "misunderstandings" with certain countries' governments.
When in fact there was nothing those governments could have done.

[Darya]

That's another point often missed. Muslims are ethnically diverse and apart from the sectarian differences there are plenty of ethnic differences.

Can people make their minds up? One day, muslims are an ethno-religious group and it's racism to oppose Islam because the believers are an ethno-religious group but now they're ethnically diverse and not a group?

[luc54]

From people who actually live there, sources that aren't full of shit and logic that ever you should be able to master.

Check this link: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-45812419

[Darya]

Because it's a hoax promoted by a bunch of countries who are panicking because nearly the entire Muslimworld had China become their biggest trading partner.

Sounds like you've listened to too much propaganda.

[George Lucas]

Can people make their minds up? One day, muslims are an ethno-religious group and it's racism to oppose Islam because the believers are an ethno-religious group but now they're ethnically diverse and not a group?

Or maybe different groups perceive Muslims differently. The Koran for example oposes Tribalism and teaches that Muslims should only be Muslims and not Arabs, Egyptians or Romans. In that sense some of us view ourselves as an ethnic group. You could argue that genetics are the sole factor to determine ethnicity, but if you look at the Turks (not Turkic people in general, but the Turks in Turkey), you see that they differ greatly, because they are made up of Turkics, Anatolians, Greeks, Caucasians (native people from the caucasus) and many other groups. Yet most Turks view themselves as an ethnic group, while some others view themselves as ethnic Muslims. Something similar is true for Italy, with great genetic differences between Lombards and Sicilians for example, who both still view themselves as Italians. There also groups like the Copts in Egypt, who are genetically similar to the Muslim Egyptians, but are viewed as a different ethnic group, because they are Christians and speak a different language, since the other Egyptians adopted Arabic.
In some places Muslims are a ethnic group, in some other places they are not.

[Realitytrembles]

I've often wondered why the Muslim world is quiet when it comes to the Muslim Uighurs situation.


Why do you think this is?

Because they know that (unlike the West) the Chinese aren't a bunch of hand-wringing wussies when it comes to confronting radical Islamic terrorism.

China is a tyrant state that doesn't value individual human lives. For terrorists, its like looking into a mirror. China speaks the language of naked power, untroubled by ethical nonsense.

That's the only language that ideologically motivated radicals understand.

[Coolthulhu]

That's rich coming from one such as Erdogan.

Why do you think this is?

Unity is a mostly unknown concept in the Muslim world.

[Coolthulhu]

That's quite untrue. Ideologically, the Muslim community is one, the Ummah. If they were to respect what was ordained to them, they would be unified and a force to be afraid of. Because they gave up on what they were supposed to follow and do and adopted the ways of the empires they were fighting, they fell apart and never managed to come back from that.

So it's quite untrue, but then again it's not, right.

[luc54]

Deradicalisation is quite normal, we do it all over Europe.
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-41927937
Seems like the UK themselves is sending kids to these programs.

Are you comparing deradicalisation to this shit:

In July, a former teacher at one of the camps who fled to Kazakhstan told a court there that "in China they call it a political camp but really it was a prison in the mountains".

The New York Times quoted former detainees as saying that they were forced to sing songs such as "Without the Communist Party, There Would Be No New China" and those who could not remember the words were not given breakfast.

"In the end, all the officials had one key point. The greatness of the Chinese Communist Party, the backwardness of Uighur culture and the advanced nature of Chinese culture," former detainee Abdusalam Muhemet told the newspaper.

The World Uyghur Congress said in a report that detainees were held indefinitely without charge, and forced to shout Communist Party slogans.

It said they were poorly fed, and reports of torture were widespread.

Most inmates have never been charged with a crime, it is claimed, and do not receive legal representation.

One is clearly aiming to help kids and the other is political camp Soviet union style.

[Grimbold21]

They're just (re) education camps to conform to state ideology. What's the problem?

[Independent voter]

Because they know that (unlike the West) the Chinese aren't a bunch of hand-wringing wussies when it comes to confronting radical Islamic terrorism.

China is a tyrant state that doesn't value individual human lives. For terrorists, its like looking into a mirror. China speaks the language of naked power, untroubled by ethical nonsense.

That's the only language that ideologically motivated radicals understand.

A million dead Chinese is nothing

-- Deng Xiaoping, leader of the communist party, talking about Tianmamen Square protests

[Realitytrembles]

A million dead Chinese is nothing

-- Deng Xiaoping, leader of the communist party, talking about Tianmamen Square protests

Exactly my point. If the CCP will kill peaceful protestors in such amounts, imagine what they will do to rebel/terrorist groups within their own country.

The only nation that gives China pause is the US, because we existentially threaten them. There is no Muslim nation of anywhere near sufficient power to do the same.