Lead Singer Of Rock Band Shot And Killed By Five Juveniles Ages 12 To 16

[chubbybunny]

They’re not adults. 12 years old isn’t an adult.

And you literally want to kill children.

They've acted like adults and committed a crime normally associated with adults, so therefore deserve to be prosecuted as adults.

Regardless of age they took it upon themselves to commit a crime, if they wanted to act as children they'd have not done this.

[PACOX]

Unless you smile at a Native American.

I forgot those kids got hard time for that. What was it, 35 years?

[LilSaihah]

I am very perplexed by the idea that they shouldn't be tried as adults, truth told.

How many felonies is this? Homocide, grand theft auto (probably two counts), stealing the firearms...

[Dextroden]

I forgot those kids got hard time for that. What was it, 35 years?

I don't recall people being all level headed westerners over it.

[Surfd]

They’re not adults. 12 years old isn’t an adult.

And you literally want to kill children.

And what the fuck is your point? Children are not inherently special. And these particular children are straight up fucking murderous assholes who deserve to fry. Don't try to pull that bleeding heat bullshit here. These individuals stole a car, mugged a guy, and then fucking shot him when he refused to give them what they wanted. Every single one of them is a waste of air.

[Foosha]

I am very perplexed by the idea that they shouldn't be tried as adults, truth told.

How many felonies is this? Homocide, grand theft auto (probably two counts), stealing the firearms...

People seem to think they can be rehabilitated after 15+ years of bad parenting and black victim culture ingrained in them. They are sorely wrong. The only thing that will come of these is prison and gang violence. End them and save the taxpayers a small break

[breadisfunny]

You're allowed to think what you want. Thankfully the Western world has moved past that ideology.

it's not what i think. it's what is needed to keep a population in line and create true law and order.

[Zaktar]

if you ascribe to the sociological perspective then you would be correct however psychologist, which is what courts use to decide if they should be put to death, beg to differ... So basically no matter what the cause once a person is gone beyond redemption, like these piece of crap kids, put them to death and spare society

I subscribe to the perspective that if we play the odds, we keep winning by taking shots at redemption, and keep losing if we fantasize about killing children, no matter what horrific things they did. You are in a fantasy land if you think the state of Colorado where it appears you live will be executing children. You imagine it would be better, but consider that the people who built the society in which you live, who are undoubtedly wiser than either of us, disagree with you. You may think them weak, but to put themselves in a position to make these decisions they had to be very strong.

I really don't care about rehab when it's murder. Unless we can "rehab" the victim to life these kids should be sent where ever the guy they killed went. It's a matter of justice. They are kids? Well not every kid runs around murdering people, they had a chance for a good life and they messed it up. Too many innocent men die from crime or from random accidents or diseases or other shit. Let us have few deaths that at least serve some justice.

So far we can't bring the dead back to life, this is true. I'm less concerned with the people who have already died, than those who will die in the future. Some people commit crimes so horrific that to attempt to rehabilitate them is a gamble not worth taking. I fully support quarantining them from society until they die. Most, however, even people whose weak thinking leads them to kill, can be rehabilitated and add value to society. Killing them does immeasurable harm to the people whose lives they already touch, and those they might positively touch in the future. Rehabilitating them gives us a chance to make use of them and helps create a positive ripple through society. The dead deserve to be mourned, but we need to consider the dead of the future. Giving in to fantasies of revenge destabilizes our society and leads to more crime long-term. Rehabilitative based approaches safeguards the victims of the future by reducing crime in our society. Worry less about the people gone, and the people in the next generation, or the generations past that. Take a look around the world at societies which don't have much crime. It works.

these aren't children. these are monsters who deserve to die.
best to give them all the death penalty and be done with it as a brutal and ruthless example to others.

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the way i see it they chose to make an adult decision to kill someone. blood for blood. a life for a life.

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too bad they didn't sentence her to death. sounds like a miscarriage of justice to me.

Too bad making brutal examples of people isn't an effective deterrent, as has been demonstrated over and over and over again.

I wonder what a society would be like that had only 1 punishment for any crime: death.

Jaywalk? Speed? Murder? You're dead, 1 trial, no appeals.

Would that level of brutal savagery be able to break humans into compliance 100% of the time?

It causes your system to become unsustainably corrupt and crushes the spirit of your people, sending your society rapidly backwards.

it's not what i think. it's what is needed to keep a population in line and create true law and order.

Then why do the societies with the least crime and corruption not subscribe to it? It's just a fantasy for the weak minded.

[Elba]

I really hope they try all of these pieces of shit as adults and they all fry.

They are children. Why would they be tried as adults? That's crazy.

They are savages not human beings!

You're one to talk. You want to kill children.

[Azurenys]

Yeeeah, they should fry.

If they are old enough in their mind to be "gangsta" steal guns, cars and kill people while robbing them.. they can be adults enough to die on the chair.
I don't care, those THINGS are not human nor children and should suffer the maximum penalty.
Their race doesn't matter in this at all, if they were white I'd still have the same stance, keep your racial bullshit to yourselves.

[Elba]

Charge them as adults. Give them whatever sentence an adult would get for all of the crimes they committed along the way and be done with it.

That's retarded. Children are not adults. Hell, here in Germany you can't even be held criminally responsible if you are under 14.

[Najnaj]

This thread is just a sad statement on the community on MMO-C. Exactly how sick do you have to be before you advocate killing children.

[Deianeira]

They violated his bodily autonomy. That's a death sentence even without committing a crime in a lot of places.

So i guess then "prolife" people that want to violate womens bodily autonomy by restricting abortions should be put to death? Or am i missing something?

[Elba]

Honestly, anybody who wants to see children dead needs to be locked up in a psych ward.

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This thread is just a sad statement on the community on MMO-C. Exactly how sick do you have to be before you advocate killing children.

A solid percentage of posters here are literal fascists. What do you expect.

[Bae]

12 isn't on the cusp of 25.

The guy had a life, now the guy is dead and he doesn't have a life, that's sad. That doesn't mean let's make sure the children also have no lives, why wouldn't you want to minimize harm all around and try to REHABILITATE people. I know rehabilitation is such an alien concept but the point of prison should be to try to rehabilitate.

Im all for rehabilitation but when you purposefully take a life then they should face the consequences. Its not like they didnt know any better. 12-16 year olds know exactly what they're doing in this case unless they're seriously mentally handicapped. Like someone said earlier aswell, if they get given the death penalty they will be adults by the time they actually go on death row. What they did is sickening. Prison in america doesnt rehabilitate people lets be honest. It doesnt in many places. a small % maybe but not with violent crimes. Most go on to re-offend.

And on the topic of James Bulgers killers. One is continually released from prison and breaking his parole by having contact with children and images of child pornography on his computer. I think its only a matter of time until he kills again or rapes. Some people who do depraved acts arent able to be rehabilitated. They're just sick. Its easier to train a dog not to kill than it is to teach a human not to kill yet dogs get put down. Were still animals at the end of the day so i dont care if they're 12. Put the little fuckers away like the pieces of shit they are.

[Vargulf the Happy Husky]

That's retarded. Children are not adults. Hell, here in Germany you can't even be held criminally responsible if you are under 14.

yeah your crime rates in germany are just stellar huh?

this is pre meditated. a decision was made in their dumb little head to commit all of those crimes, all at separate times. i fully believe the intention was there. they wanted to act out the hoodling lifestyle that their favorite rapper talks about.

25 to life for the shooter, the other two can just go to juvenile detention until their 18.

[Bae]

This thread is just a sad statement on the community on MMO-C. Exactly how sick do you have to be before you advocate killing children.

Giving them 15 years in prison before giving them the death penalty is fine tbh. Most dont mean kill them now. But they should be put away for a decent amount of time before their pathetic lives are ended. They will be adults by that time.

[Vargulf the Happy Husky]

They will be adults by that time.

i don't think these kids, if left in society, survive to become adults. in all honesty, it's doing them a favor putting their asses in jail.

[Deianeira]

I'd guess that's the exception more than the rule, and likely based on a support system that was put around the girl. These kids aren't going to get that.

And why is it that they are not gonna get that? If you just put them in prison with other people that havesimilar issues what you think gonna happen while they serve? Think they will get out to fresh society wich take them with open arms and welcome them into the workplace and community? No more likely they will forge more connections and learn new ways to do harm to others and get further destroyed. I think that when they ARE this young that is when you can make a difference if they on the other hand is 20-25 or older then i see it harder to rehabilitate.

[Sezh]

How did these kids get their hands on firearms so easily? Oh wait never mind.