Why didn't Baine challenge Sylvanas to mak'gora?

[Volitar]

So just wondering is this PTR stuff or do I have to do the Kill Jaina part of the campaign because I haven't seen anything with Baine..

[Aucald]

As a revealed traitor to the Horde at the time, I don't think Baine has the weight of authority to issue a true Mak'gora - everyone would see it through the lens of him attempting to escape punishment, not prove the rightness of his claim. He's no doubt aware of this fact himself which is why he doesn't issue the challenge, it's bad optics for him no matter what he does. You seem a similar situation with Ga'nar and Durotan in WoD, Durotan ignores Ga'nar's challenge because he knows it arises from emotionality without any loss of face to himself.

Mak'gora isn't just a "get out of jail/punishment free" card by challenging whoever it is that is charging you - you need standing in order to make the challenge, and the weight of authority or "honor" in order for it to stand.

[CTiranno]

Rewatching the cutscene where Sylvanas confronts Baine in front of all of the Horde leaders, I couldn't help but think: Why didn't Baine just challenge her to mak'gora?

That would have literally been the best time for Baine to confront Sylvanas, in front of all the Horde leaders, including two OG Horde members with Rexxar and Eitrigg. What is she going to, turn him down? That's an immediate loss of her title and banishment (as least per orcish tradition).

Because Blizzard forgot that the Horde has this awesome way to resolve his own problems.

Seriously, this plot about doing stuff in the shadows would work much better with the Alliance.

[bowlink]

Shortest anwser: because baine knows sylvanas Will cheat. And in a way he can't prove

[Wyattbw09]

Because Blizzard forgot that the Horde has this awesome way to resolve his own problems.

Seriously, this plot about doing stuff in the shadows would work much better with the Alliance.

I question if Mak'gora is a Horde thing or if its a Orc thing that the Tauren has chosen to adopt/respect. It's not clear to me that Sylvansas would be bound to accept a challenge put forth by Baine.

[matrix123mko]

Because Sylvanas could kill him 1v1 by banshee magic. Look at the trailer or infamous Three Sisters comic.

[The Stormbringer]

So you're saying Baine is too much of a coward to lay down his life to force her hand for the betterment of the Horde. Because if he challenged her even knowing he would lose and die, at least he could do so knowing the other Horde leaders (short of Lor'themar and Gallywix of course) theoretically revolt and overthrow Sylvanas. That's right on the nose. The apple fell far from the tree indeed.

>other leaders would theoretically revolt

Hah! Yeah right. No, Baine would just be throwing his life away.

[Techno-Druid]

With no bias whatsoever, what makes you think Baine would win Sylvanas in a fight? Baine isn't exactly known for his combat prowess?

He's a warrior... I'm not sure what else he would be known for at this point other than the obvious.

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I question if Mak'gora is a Horde thing or if its a Orc thing that the Tauren has chosen to adopt/respect. It's not clear to me that Sylvansas would be bound to accept a challenge put forth by Baine.

At least one blood elf paladin entered a mak'gora, so it's possible that it's spread across the Horde as a concept, even if it's not widely practiced by the Eastern Kingdoms Horde races.

[socialmaker]

Isn't mak'gora an orcish tradition? Neither of them is orc (and orcs don't play any significant role in Horde), so why is mak'gora even relevant? She would just shot him down and that's about it.

Exactly this lmao

[Viklad]

I Know you lore fans want an detailed answer for everything, but I think the reason is a game play reason, IE they aren't finished with either character and therefore neither can die. the tale between sylvanas and baine is a tale of 2 path diverging away from eachother and the the new player choice their offering they can now allow the player to choose there own path, this is really and powerful story telling concept that would be ruined if they killed off one at such an early stage, that why they imprisoned baine but immediately kill thomas Zeiling.

[Wyattbw09]

>other leaders would theoretically revolt

Hah! Yeah right. No, Baine would just be throwing his life away.

That's the downside. Why would anyone revolt. Baine challenged her, Baine lost. It strengthens her position as Warchief, because she proved herself in honorable combat over a challenger. If the others leaders respect the concept of Mak'gora then this would weaken their argument for rebellion.

[matrix123mko]

Shortest anwser: because baine knows sylvanas Will cheat. And in a way he can't prove

She doesn't need to. It would be better for her to just REEEEEEEEEEE on him until he dies.

[etheldald]

because that would be suicide.
even assuming that sylvanas will not use dirty tactics, i think that he doesn't stand a chance against her.

Or maybe is just blizzard who don't want to kill another horde character because they villain batted another warchief.
This war could have been avoided if saurfang acted in character and cut the head off sylvanas after war of thorns.

[Viklad]

QUOTE=etheldald;50853704]This war could have been avoided if saurfang acted in character and cut the head off sylvanas after war of thorns.[/QUOTE]

that would be out of character as saurfangs holds honour, glory and rank above anything esle, just like all the members of garrosh's horde.

[Flurryfang]

Because he would lose?

Baine is the leader of peace and calm within the horde, it would be very much unlike him to do mak'gora, atleast if it was done with the intension to actually do the fighting.

Also, Sylvanas might be a thin undead elf, but she is proberly much stronger than Baine and Baine proberly knows this. It would be needlessly suicide, that would proberly lead to ribbles in the Horde, that Baine does not wish for. He does not want the Horde to split, just to tip Sylvanas from the leading pole.

[Shampro]

'' B-b-because she would cheat!''

I'm so fucking tired of people applying headcanons to things that have NEVER been said or implied. Yes, she could cheat, but NO ONE has said this when contemplating doing it, they just *don't*, period.


Bullshit excuses. They're a bunch of cowards that don't put thier money where thier mouth is, and just spew a bunch of tride ''honor'' bullshit all expansion long. Her cheating shouldn't even be a ditrament considering then she would lose the title anyway by everyone not accepting the victory.

He's a coward and stupid aswell, like what the fuck did he expect to happen when you helped the person who just fucking raided a Horde's ally city and killed thier leader? A pat on the back?

Jesus this expansion is bad.

[McFuu]

Multiple reasons :
1. It makes Baine look bad, he was just accused of a crime with witnesses, Mak'gora is not the solution to that.
2. He would likely lose. Bloodelves, even though they appear dainty and aloof are actually very strong and very fast about a strong as trolls while being slightly quicker. While Baine would easily be stronger, he is far slower. Let's not forget that Sylvanas is very old and very experienced at warfare. Regardless of recent cinematic, this is a person that went toe to toe with Death Knight Arthas multiple times, beating him one of those times.
3. Sylvanas would just say no and it would hurt her in the slightest. Baine isn't in the position to challenge for leadership while committing treason against the Horde. Would Sylvanas entertain a Mak'gora from some random prisoner? No. Sylvanas also doesn't care about old Orc traditions. Not to mention its likely Baine doesn't care for old Orc traditions as well. Cairne did because the Tauren were saved by the Orcish Horde, Baine rose to power in a different manner.

[etheldald]

QUOTE=etheldald;50853704]This war could have been avoided if saurfang acted in character and cut the head off sylvanas after war of thorns.

that would be out of character as saurfangs holds honour, glory and rank above anything esle, just like all the members of garrosh's horde.[/QUOTE]

No, saurfang holds honour above anything else.
he himself claims that that there is no honor in burning the tree and in the book he really wanted to challenge her to makgora.

[Salty Maud]

How do you even expect to kill a banshee?

[etheldald]

How do you even expect to kill a banshee?

a bullet in the head worked. so i assume that is the same with an axe.