Mega-Thread: Mueller investigation

[Stormspark]

AKA "die in prison". Roger Stone is 66, which is bad for his possible sentence, but Paul Manafort is 69. Even with good behavior, he'd be 81 before glancing at those doors.

Good, all these people need to die in prison.

[Breccia]

Good, all these people need to die in prison.

Eh...I don't really care if they die in prison. But I want them to die poor. They committed crimes and sold out their own country for money. I want their efforts to fail.

[Felya]

Eh...I don't really care if they die in prison. But I want them to die poor. They committed crimes and sold out their own country for money. I want their efforts to fail.

That’s the sad part... I think their jail will be a step up for most poor people. At least they are so old, they already collected Medicare, so it’s not adding the universal coverage of jail. My god... they will tweet from jail, talking about shitty socialism of jail.

[tylenol]

Donald dipshit can't pardon this piece of shit either can he since they are state charges and Cuomo probably wouldn't pardon him

He's 70 and has to serve at least 85% of the time so he'll probably die in prison, even if it is a hilton

[Orbitus]

Eh...I don't really care if they die in prison. But I want them to die poor. They committed crimes and sold out their own country for money. I want their efforts to fail.

Well, it looks like he is getting the jail time AND a $24 million fine. That is including all the other stuff he lost. So Manafort loses more money.

[Breccia]

Well, it looks like he is getting the jail time AND a $24 million fine.

North of $28 million, apparently.

This is significant, as Manafort says he's worth $28 million. Granted, Mueller seems to have proven he lied about that, too, but he'd still be really low on funds.

[Orbitus]

North of $28 million, apparently.

This is significant, as Manafort says he's worth $28 million. Granted, Mueller seems to have proven he lied about that, too, but he'd still be really low on funds.

I just heard what the news reported, and it was $24 million.

[Breccia]

I just heard what the news reported, and it was $24 million.

When stuff is coming in rapid-fire, differences will exist. Just the same, Manafort stands to lose most/all of his freedom, most/all of his money, his legacy, his reputation, his good name and he has only one person to blame. Himself.

[zorkuus]

before the end, the Trump Campaign will have supposedly been Trump, his wife and kids, and a legion of coffee people

If Trump was put against the wall, I'm sure he would deny he was part of the campaign.

[Ripster42]

Donald dipshit can't pardon this piece of shit either can he since they are state charges and Cuomo probably wouldn't pardon him

He's 70 and has to serve at least 85% of the time so he'll probably die in prison, even if it is a hilton

These are the federal district court charges in virginia for manafort's first trial. They're not state charges. He's not in a pleasant jail. He's in solitary.

[Breccia]

I just heard what the news reported, and it was $24 million.

Break it down!

Mueller's office is also recommending a fine range of $50,000 to $24.4 million, a term of supervised release of up to five years, restitution in the amount of $24.8 million and forfeiture in the amount of $4.4 million.

Please, Mueller...don't hurt him.

[Shalcker]

Thanks to stone asking for a change of courts, we know mueller has evidence on stone:
Certain Netyksho defendants, through a fictitious online persona they created, Guccifer 2.0, also interacted directly with Stone concerning other stolen materials posted separately online
The filing goes on to say that stone was also communicating with "organization 1" aka wikileaks.

From what we know so far Guiccifer 2.0 is supposed to be GRU (as your link says), not wikileaks (who don't need fictitious persona).

Wikilieaks is only related in that GRU also sent materials to them.

I haven't seen any lies about Guiccifer 2.0 communications with Stone in Stone's indictments.

[Ripster42]

From what we know so far Guiccifer 2.0 is supposed to be GRU (as your link says), not wikileaks (who don't need fictitious persona).

Wikilieaks is only related in that GRU also sent materials to them.

I haven't seen any lies about Guiccifer 2.0 communications with Stone in Stone's indictments.

Read the linked document. Wikileaks is "organisation 1." The stone communications the SC has came from search warrants executed on GRU operatives. Both of those things are easily discernible if you actually read it.

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Please, Mueller...don't hurt him.

Yeah, you should read that as 29.2m-53.6m. They're basically taking all of his money that they can find. Fines, forfeiture, and restitution are separate things.

[Stormspark]

These are the federal district court charges in virginia for manafort's first trial. They're not state charges. He's not in a pleasant jail. He's in solitary.

[Breccia]

Yeah, you should read that as 29.2m-53.6m.

Or "money he doesn't have" to "double the money he doesn't have".

When you pay all your money in fines and other legal penalties, can you go bankrupt? Asking for a Trump ally.

[Ripster42]

Or "money he doesn't have" to "double the money he doesn't have".

When you pay all your money in fines and other legal penalties, can you go bankrupt? Asking for a Trump ally.

You can go bankrupt. I believe it gets rid of fines, it does not get rid of restitution. If he goes bankrupt he's still broke, and he'll still owe 24m.

[Breccia]

If he goes bankrupt he's still broke, and he'll still owe 24m.

Damn. Honestly wondering if it'd be better or worse for him to flee the country.

[Ripster42]

Damn. Honestly wondering if it'd be better or worse for him to flee the country.

I mean, he's in jail. He's probably going to die in jail. The virginia sentence is only the first of two. He still has DC charges he's getting sentenced for, and, since the plea deal is no longer in place, he could face consecutive sentences.

This is, of course, assuming they don't try him with additional charges once the final report comes out and they don't have to undercharge things to keep evidence from people.

[Breccia]

When there's multiple nooses around your neck, it's hard to keep track of which one is tightening first.

The House Oversight Committee is suggesting that one of Trump's lawyers --

"Cohen?"

No.

"Giulliani?"

No.

"That guy who looks like Wilford Brimley on the set of Tombstone?"

Dammit. Sheri Dillon. Apparently, she testified before the OGE with multiple conflicting stories about if/how Trump owed Cohen money. And from the looks of things, some/all of those conflicting stories also conflict with what Cohen is now saying in his plea deal. Dillon even apparently conferred with "the filer" (Trump) before saying no money was owed. Oops.

We all know what happens when your lawyer lies under oath (or its Congressional equiv). And, if you don't, I'm sure @cubby will give an answer that rhymes with "she's mucked".

[Ripster42]

We all know what happens when your lawyer lies under oath (or its Congressional equiv). And, if you don't, I'm sure @cubby will give an answer that rhymes with "she's mucked".

The most likely thing is that she was lied to, and she thought she was telling the truth at the time, so she's probably not in any real jeopardy. The fact that their story changed in light of new data isn't a mark against the lawyers. They still have to provide the best advocacy they can in the face of new data, and this is the horseshit story they came up with once either trump came clean or they were provided proof that contradicted their claims.

So again, I'm going to assume that what we already know remains true: trump is a pathological liar who will lie to anyone about anything, including to his lawyers about money he owes.