Sixth Grader charged with not standing for the pledge.

[Doctor Amadeus]

Canada in my opinion is culturally Alot closer to Britain then America, likely due to the antagonism between the US and Canada befor ww2, people forget that the US had plans drawn up to invade Canada and had moved men and munitions into place. If not for us finding a common enemy the UK and US would likly have gone to war in the 1940s. Which at that time could have gone either way.

But that similarity is likely why Canada is more progressive on gay rights. Like us they don't see it as a political football so any progress isn't fought that hard or over turned when the opposition gets power. And advancement happens no matter who's in power, just slower under conservatives, as well, there conservative they don't like change. They only issues we had to gay marriage were legislative, and how to make it fit with freedom of religion, and also Northern Ireland, but let's not get into them......

Tbh we have Alot of topics the US is still fighting over that we and Canada have long put to bed. Sometimes watching American polotics is like looking back through a time portal haha, It's pritty fascinating from the outside.

Yeah, pretty true, I mean it WAS an issue, but gay marriage was an ISSUE in terms of legally a long time ago, there are still very bad pockets and homophobic places in Canada, but yeah as you said, whatever football it was it was settle before I could vote in either country.

As for Canada being more progressive, yeah, I would say so, but Canada is much much smaller than the U.S and so is the U.K but population, the U.K simply has the history. As for the differences between the U.S and Canada, yeah, it's pretty funny learning about that contention how the U.S fought for independence, but Canada stayed, but the U.S tried to pull the same shit with Canada as the England tried to do with the U.S.

So much so Canada had to burn the U.S capital down as love letter on how much Canada didn't want to join the States. Only to almost a couple hundred years get just about everything the U.S got without going to war anyways.

So yeah there is a lot of contrast between Canada and the U.S as much as their are similarities But the one thing I think the U.K and Canada shares in addition to governments and history, some issues really haven't ever been issues because of a general over all attitude established a long time ago.

Which is the distinction between what needs to be governed, and what doesn't and should be left up to individuals. Probably because of the longer history and experience with heads of states that over step.

[smityx]

You’re really riled up because you’re assuming he was solely arrested for not standing for the pledge. You don’t know how bad the disruption and threats were, and you are refusing to believe police were called for that reason.

There’s no video of what happened, so why am I to believe only the child? Because he’s 11? Have you been around children of these ages? Not all of them are little angels.

But to just believe the teacher who at this point will probably try and say anything to save their job. It's basically a he said / she said situation and unless some 3rd party evidence pops up you got to take anything both of them say with a grain of salt.

[Wyattbw09]

Im not sure why people keep missing I’ll put it in caps.

HE WAS NOT I SAY AGAIN NOT ARRESTED FOR FAILING TO STAND FOR OR SAY THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE.

He was arrested for being belligerent and disruptive after both school administrators and the police tried to calm the boy down, and the child continued to not follow the directions of school administration and police officials and creating disruption for other students and staff at the school.

[Katchii]

Maybe not teachers but deans can remove a child if need be in most states. It usually comes down to what DCF has to say about the issue and DCF is likely to side with the dean if the student is being overly disruptive and not leaving the classroom on their own.

The resource officer is there for issues beyond the scope of the deans, which this wasn't.

Really depends. In California, special training and certification in physical removal and restraining methods are required before a person is able to physically handle a student. There's no guarantee a person with that training/certification is on site or available when an incident occurs. In those types of situations, where the student really needs to be removed, the cops would need to be called to deal with it. Otherwise the school could get the shit sued out of them.

The flag part is a new one for me, but read the full star spangled banner.

While fair, the student said national anthem, the full lyrics of Star Spangled Banner are never sung as part of the national anthem. I'm 37 and lived here my whole life and knew the Star Spangled Banner had more lyrics but had no clue what they were. You'd have to take the time to go looking into it to find something offensive about it. Besides the lyrics aren't "racist." The lyrics were written at that point in history, context matters. I can understand not liking the lyrics, but to be offended by them? IMO you kind of have to be looking for something to be offended about to be offended by lyrics to a 150+ year old song.

[Katchii]

I'm sure a sixth grader is incredibly threatening. I mean, how old is 6th grade, 12?

Like, jesus, how terrifying.

Doesn't really matter, teachers are not allowed to touch students. Even in self-defense things could get VERY legally dicey if a teacher harmed a child. Because of this, it's entirely possible for a 11-12 year old to cause so serious harm...it really doesn't take much to cause a LOT of damage to someone, especially with all kinds of objects that could be used as weapons in a classroom; pencils, pens, chairs, books, laptops/tablets, staplers, etc....

You're severely underestimating how much damage a person that size can do.

[Coolthulhu]

You made up all that stuff about the lack of an uproar from other students. Pulled that right out of your own butt. While protesting solely that I questioned whether the staff were necessarily completely honest, because apparently you think no teachers have ever done anything wrong, ever, and their word should go unquestioned.

I made up nothing, it's not there. If you have an article that mentions more, feel free to link it. And good job putting those words in my mouth after I stated that I support the freedom of not standing for whatever pledge. Seems to me like you're seeing red and it's clouding your judgement.

[Reaper0329]

The kid can't be arrested for not standing for the pledge. The government cannot compel speech anymore than it may deny speech, as established in Wooley v. Maynard, 430 U.S. 705. I don't agree with his speech and I think he's ignorant (though I mean he's eleven, so...grain of salt), but that's his Constitutionally protected right. If they arrested him for that, it'll be overturned.

If they arrested him for communicating threats or for disturbing the peace, however, that's entirely a different ballgame.

I don't think we have enough facts to really determine anything further. I would like to know more about the teacher's involvement.

[PACOX]

Really depends. In California, special training and certification in physical removal and restraining methods are required before a person is able to physically handle a student. There's no guarantee a person with that training/certification is on site or available when an incident occurs. In those types of situations, where the student really needs to be removed, the cops would need to be called to deal with it. Otherwise the school could get the shit sued out of them.

It happened in FL. Everything I said is valid in FL. I went to school in FL. Still deal with FL DCF. The only school Ive ever been to that didn't have multiple deans was a private school.

[Katchii]

The full anthem includes all the verses, we just usually sing the abridged version for brevity. I’m still kinda stunned you think slavery wasn’t racist when it was legal...

I never said slavery wasn't racist, I'm saying the lyrics to a song written back then when slavery was a thing aren't inherently racist, it's just factual information stating that slavery was a thing. That's like saying any textbook that refers to slavery is racist because it talks about slavery, which is ridiculous.

[Monster Hunter]

Yeah, pretty true, I mean it WAS an issue, but gay marriage was an ISSUE in terms of legally a long time ago, there are still very bad pockets and homophobic places in Canada, but yeah as you said, whatever football it was it was settle before I could vote in either country.

As for Canada being more progressive, yeah, I would say so, but Canada is much much smaller than the U.S and so is the U.K but population, the U.K simply has the history. As for the differences between the U.S and Canada, yeah, it's pretty funny learning about that contention how the U.S fought for independence, but Canada stayed, but the U.S tried to pull the same shit with Canada as the England tried to do with the U.S.

So much so Canada had to burn the U.S capital down as love letter on how much Canada didn't want to join the States. Only to almost a couple hundred years get just about everything the U.S got without going to war anyways.

So yeah there is a lot of contrast between Canada and the U.S as much as their are similarities But the one thing I think the U.K and Canada shares in addition to governments and history, some issues really haven't ever been issues because of a general over all attitude established a long time ago.

Which is the distinction between what needs to be governed, and what doesn't and should be left up to individuals. Probably because of the longer history and experience with heads of states that over step.

Tbh thinking about it. What Canada and Britain had that US didn't is Benjamin Disraeli. He Completly changed the face of UK conservatism and by extension conservatism across the empire. His one nation conservatism, or Conservative socialism is an often over looked but I believe the defining cultural ideology of Britain and many of its ex province's.

[Katchii]

It happened in FL. Everything I said is valid in FL. I went to school in FL. Still deal with FL DCF. The only school Ive ever been to that didn't have multiple deans was a private school.

Wasn't trying to refute anything, was just stating how situations like this could go down in schools in general, and provided information for how California works.

[Everwake]

"The arrest report says the student was arrested because he refused to follow multiple commands..."

When will people learn? Right or wrong, innocent or guilty, you need to obey the commands of the police or you will be arrested. You'd have to be a stupid fucking idiot to believe the kid was arrested for not standing for the Pledge.

[Najnaj]

He was arrested for a multitude of reasons, none of them had anything to do with standing for the pledge. Refusing to stand for the pledge is how it got started but reportedly he threatened a substitute teacher... and that sub teacher sounds like a total idiot btw.

From that report it sounds like you had a very disruptive child and an inexperienced teacher who decided to get emotional and make a bad scenario the worst he/she possibly could.

[Mixxy]

This teacher seems like the kind of person that would start a lot of sentences with the phrase "I'm not racist, but..."

[Jimusmc]

so the little shit threatened the teacher and the officer/principle.

so justified.

[Doctor Amadeus]

Tbh thinking about it. What Canada and Britain had that US didn't is Benjamin Disraeli. He Completly changed the face of UK conservatism and by extension conservatism across the empire. His one nation conservatism, or Conservative socialism is an often over looked but I believe the defining cultural ideology of Britain and many of its ex province's.

I think when it comes down to it you have to scratch beyond the surface to find out what we are talking about when it comes to politics, rather than trying to change definitions or become roving something or other.

Liberal Conservative? About what

Being Conservative in Canada and Being Liberal are realized in a different way in Canada, and honestly with the Caucuses in the U.S while not nearly as many parties there are a lot of parallels that mirror one another in policy.

The difference at least between the U.S and Canada it's just more condensed and faster.

For example like with the U.K Canada's parliament moves fast in comparison to laws.

And when either the U.K or Canada move which now days is quicker to keep up in some ways, to get a vote for leadership in the U.K or Canada it really takes a massive effort, regardless to what party.

In the U.S you can't call for a vote of confidence, or even begin the slow process to do so in comparison. Because unless something rises to a great enough concern, there is more incentive to work together. Which is why I think there are at least in Canada more parties.

[muto]

Play stupid games win stupid prizes. Not doing what the police tell you to do is about the dumbest thing you can do.

[Jorlen]

Im not sure why people keep missing I’ll put it in caps.

HE WAS NOT I SAY AGAIN NOT ARRESTED FOR FAILING TO STAND FOR OR SAY THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE.

He was arrested for being belligerent and disruptive after both school administrators and the police tried to calm the boy down, and the child continued to not follow the directions of school administration and police officials and creating disruption for other students and staff at the school.

I agree with you. Why are almost all media sources misstating it. We have a serious fucking problem in this country. I want separation from blue staters very badly. Not violent, just get them away from me please...sad times

[shifu]

Did you actually read the fucking article?

The title is misleading and untrue.

It says in the article "the student was arrested because he refused to follow multiple commands, repeatedly called school leaders racists, and was disruptive. They said he threatened to get the school resource officer and principal fired and to beat the teacher, an accusation he says is untrue."

So we have some punk ass kid calling everyone racist and being disruptive in class. Yeah he needs to be slapped into some sense. He was arrested because he was belligerent, not because we wouldn't stand for the pledge.

Seriously, the flag is racist now?

[zenkai]

https://www.nbc-2.com/story/39980611...-of-allegiance

Kid decides he doesn't want to stand for the pledge. I'm sorry, I thought this was America if I don't want to stand then I don't want to stand.

Substitute teacher gets made and tells the child to go back to Africa on some passive aggressive bullshit.

Kid knows his 1st Amendment gave his best Randy Marsh impression, "I'm sorry, I thought this was America. Not communist Cuba". I might have paraphrased but I feel like he said that.

SUBSTITUTE teacher calls the office because she got schooled on her 1st Amendment rights. Some genius in the office obviously failed civics as well because of telling her to let the kid shit then they send the police to remove the child.

Patriot-1 (the kid if you can't follow) is like, "WTF? Why are you calling the cops? This is America and I did nothing wrong. People died so I can sit". The kid fought the 'law' and lost. They charged him with some bullshit and took him to juvie.

Suddenly the district wants to cover its ass and say the kids don't have to stand...j guess except for that particular day. So now this kid has some bullshit on his record. Hope they sue.

Your title is click bait.

The arrest report says the student was arrested because he refused to follow multiple commands, repeatedly called school leaders racists, and was disruptive. They said he threatened to get the school resource officer and principal fired and to beat the teacher, an accusation he says is untrue.

Judging how the parent acts no wonder the child is this way.

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Did you actually read the fucking article?

The title is misleading and untrue.

It says in the article "the student was arrested because he refused to follow multiple commands, repeatedly called school leaders racists, and was disruptive. They said he threatened to get the school resource officer and principal fired and to beat the teacher, an accusation he says is untrue."

So we have some punk ass kid calling everyone racist and being disruptive in class. Yeah he needs to be slapped into some sense. He was arrested because he was belligerent, not because we wouldn't stand for the pledge.

Seriously, the flag is racist now?

everything is racist these days.