Sixth Grader charged with not standing for the pledge.

[Bryntrollian]

Doesn't seem all bad, with this he gets a good look at what the future holds.

[Wyattbw09]

Fixed that for you.

Umm no, the teacher most assuredly was the primary instigator in the situation and deserves his or her share of the blame, however, the facts regarding the child’s out of bounds behavior is not based on “claims” by the teacher but the first hand experience of school administrators and police officials. Unless, this is a conspiracy aginst the kid, the kids behavior was inappropriate and disproportionate for the situation.

[qwerty123456]

He didn't get charged with not standing for the pledge. It was all the shit after that he was charged with. Just because the sub escalated it by confronting the kid(which they shouldn't have as its not required to do the pledge in US schools) doesn't mean the kid shouldn't be held responsible for the shit that occurred after.

Also it said the sub was from Cuba so maybe there could be some reason why the teacher believed the kid needed to stand, either because they are grateful they escaped and now live in America or in Cuba they have a similar thing that they require kids to do in school, etc...

[Lochton]

This just sounds like stupidity galore..

[Independent voter]

"I pledge allegiance to the Flag of the United States of America, and to the Republic for which it stands, one Nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all."

Very sort. Written around 1870-1880

It's a loyalty oath for the Southern man. We lost more people in our Civil War than any other war, more than all the other wars combined.

"one Nation" means you can't turn it into 2 nations like the Souther people tried to.

"indivisible" again you can't divide it into 2.

In exchange everyone gets "liberty and justice for all", including the Southern people.

"under God" was added like in 1950.

[Ozyorkbourne]

Ludicrous to be charged for not being patriotic...

That pledge isn't patriotism, it's early brainwashing. The first time I heard about that in cartoons and stuff, I thought it was made up or exaggerated, hilarious that a first world country has that kind of shit.

[ONCHEhap]

The pledge in US school is something genuinely creepy not gonna lie

Swearing your allegiance to your country everyday? That's feudal-tier nonsense,nothing short of brainwashing,it has no place in a civilised country

[endersblade]

There are backwater schools that still do the pledge? WTF?

[exochaft]

Noo you really can't be arrested for shit like that, or I mean you could be but then the police would be in a lot of trouble for not having cause. No in this situation it was escalated as something beyond his just deciding to stand instead of sit.

He was arrested for being a disturbance, which is completely legal, the million dollar question is what is the context. We have that, so as some have said, it won't be a payday, but I could for sure see some people getting fired.

Can't remember if you also mentioned it, but the problem likely escalated when the resource officer (aka, a police officer at a school) was called in for a student being belligerent and/or being disruptive and preventing the class from operating. Considering the dribble the kid was spouting, something that a kid his age likely was fed by his parents versus coming to such conclusions on his own, I can guarantee he willingly escalated everything to cause a scene and was disruptive. I have a sneaking suspicion that there's a lot of stuff that's glossed over that the kid said or did, as it takes a LOT for a kid to go from disruptive in class to ending up in juvi. I know the resource officer at my school quite well (as well as the previous ones, it's like a 2 year billet), and he/she have never had anything escalated to locking up a kid in juvi. When I was in school, I certainly did see such things occur, and it was because the students started threatening to kill or hurt people... or actual escalation to violence. There were kids who were combative in terms of attitudes and words, but that gets you in the principle's office at worst.

[Enthusiastic Steward]

"I pledge allegiance to the Flag of the United States of America, and to the Republic for which it stands, one Nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all."

Very sort. Written around 1870-1880

The original Pledge of Allegiance ("We give our heads and hearts to God and our country; one country, one language, one flag!") was written at an unknown time in the later 1800s. The originator, George Thatcher Batch, intended it to be taught to children, especially immigrant children, to instill loyalty to the US.

The version we are familiar with was written in 1892 by Francis Bellamy, a noted socialist.

It's a loyalty oath for the Southern man. We lost more people in our Civil War than any other war, more than all the other wars combined.

This is mentioned nowhere in the origins of the Pledge.

"one Nation" means you can't turn it into 2 nations like the Souther people tried to.

"indivisible" again you can't divide it into 2.

In exchange everyone gets "liberty and justice for all", including the Southern people.

This seems to have been invented whole cloth, as there is no mention of this by Bellamy. Bellamy stated he wanted to re-instill the feeling of patriotism which he felt was at a low ebb in the 1890s. Nor is it mentioned by the author of the shorter original pledge who again stated his focus was immigrant children. Bellamy also originally considered adding the word 'equality' but felt it was a dubious word and state school superintendents of the time were not exactly keen on, you know, actual equality.

"under God" was added like in 1950.

1954. This was actually the fourth change to create the fifth (and current) version of the Pledge. So when someone shouts at you that you can't remove 'under God' just remind them the Pledge has already been changed four times, 'under God' was added to distinguish the Holy USA from those Godless Commies during the Cold War, which is ironic given the Pledge was originally written by a raging socialist. Then stand back, their brain will explode and you don't want to get any on you.

[Sunseeker]

If the portion about him making threats is true, then yes he should be arrested.

If not, then that school is sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo fucked.

[Katsutomai]

You didn't know about consequences of your actions when you were 11? Wow you had shitty parents.

That I'd get the cops called on me? You must have had some "interesting" parents.

[The Oblivion]

no, a punk was arrested for threatening faculty and then the police.

[Adam Jensen]

While the subby sounds like a twat, the kid got charged with being a little brat who threatened people. Seems justified to me.

[Orbitus]

I agree with his right to do what he did, but wtf... the flag is racist and the national anthem is offensive to black people? Seriously? That's just stupid.

The National Anthem ABSOLUTELY is racist, did you know that there is a 3rd verse that no one recites anymore?

No refuge could save the hireling and slave
from the terror of flight or the gloom of the grave.
And the star-spangled banner in triumph doth wave
o’er the land of the free and the home of the brave.

But this is about the pledge of allegiance, not the national anthem. It is just forced patriotism though.

[JohnBrown1917]

no, a punk was arrested for threatening faculty and then the police.

He denied it, nice try but no cigar.

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While the subby sounds like a twat, the kid got charged with being a little brat who threatened people. Seems justified to me.

He denied it, its her word against his, and i'd rather believe the 11 year old in this case with a crazy fucker like her.

[Orbitus]

no he was charged for acting like a punk and being combative towards the school officials. it began with his refusal to stand.

good, punk kid got what he deserved in the end.

good ole fashioned modern media bait.

It started with something that he was trying to be forced to stand, something the substitute or any teacher CAN'T DO. I would have also destroyed the teacher with facts as well.

[zhero]

The National Anthem ABSOLUTELY is racist, did you know that there is a 3rd verse that no one recites anymore?



But this is about the pledge of allegiance, not the national anthem. It is just forced patriotism though.

the third verse was about slaves that fought for the enemy.

[Orbitus]

Why do you have a pledge in school?

A lot of schools don't do it anymore.

Hell it used to look something like this before WW2 and Hitler Sieg Heil salutes:

They did away with that after seeing Hitler doing it.

[Enthusiastic Steward]

Yeah this thread badly needs a new title. The altercation began over the Pledge but he most certainly wasn't charged for that.

-snip-

Yeah that was the Bellamy salute. They all originated from the same place, the old Roman Legion salute. It was used occasionally in the US. Mussolini brought it back as the Fascist salute in Italy, Hitler saw that and copied it.

That picture is of course now infamous, but the Bellamy salute was not universal.

Here's a modified version of the familiar hand-over-heart salute from around the turn of the century. Point more there wasn't a 'standard' formal salute to the flag for a long time.