I am SO tired of Youtube BS.

[AlmightyGerkin]

I didn't call anyone on this forum a retard. I called Mark Dice a fucking retard, and he is, and as far as I know, that moron doesn't use these forums. Posting memes, even in link form, in a derogatory fashion, is infractable.

And you just broke the rules again, thanks.

You’re just assuming he is cause he disagrees with liberals and against your ideals. Honestly that is just pathetic and assuming he is one but not knowing him in real life makes your accusation void of reason. Trying to assume memes is offensive? Come on stop being an idiot who is easily triggered and go drink the cup you seem thirsty.

[Orbitus]

You’re just assuming he is cause he disagrees with liberals and against your ideals. Honestly that is just pathetic and assuming he is one but not knowing him in real life makes your accusation void of reason. Trying to assume memes is offensive? Come on stop being an idiot who is easily triggered and go drink the cup you seem thirsty.

No, he is fucking retarded because he is a conspiracy theorist that believes in "biblical science" not real science like evolution and Climate Change. And that Pizzagate was a real thing, or anything else he believes.

And another post reported.

[AlmightyGerkin]

No, he is fucking retarded because he is a conspiracy theorist that believes in "biblical science" not real science like evolution and Climate Change. And that Pizzagate was a real thing, or anything else he believes.

And another post reported.

Really just triggered over this aren’t ya? Stop being a snowflake. Offended over a picture of a cup… quite pitiful. Only stating he is cause he disagrees with your polictical stand point and thinks different.

[Orbitus]

Really just triggered over this aren’t ya? Stop being a snowflake. Offended over a picture of a cup… quite pitiful. Only stating he is cause he disagrees with your polictical stand point and thinks different.

Not triggered at all, I just think it is funny that you are trying so hard to offend me, and I am just sitting here laughing at you as I hit the report button over and over for every post you make.

And he doesn't just disagree with my political stance, I don't have a low enough IQ to believe his shit like people do that follow that nonsense.

[AlmightyGerkin]

Not triggered at all, I just think it is funny that you are trying so hard to offend me, and I am just sitting here laughing at you as I hit the report button over and over for every post you make.

And he doesn't just disagree with my political stance, I don't have a low enough IQ to believe his shit like people do that follow that nonsense.

Clearly you are triggered over an image of a cup and just hit report button. Come on grow a spine. Whats liberals I guess is get easily offended and can’t take a meme nor a joke. Now stating that other people who are conspiracy theorists are stupid or may think the same as him on some subjects are stupid. You truly are desperate and pitiful. Report button you so bravely claim to use has not done anything yet over the course of a “few hours” why do you even bother?

[Najnaj]

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

Just thought I put this here as a reminder.

[Volardelis]

The issue with the internet is that it is a global platform, and not all countries (even developed ones) have "freedom of speech" in their constitution. Australia doesn't actually have one, however it is implied. Trying to police the internet to fit the American first amendment won't work for other countries, simply because they are not America (shocking isn't it!)

[Tolbybolton]

The issue with the internet is that it is a global platform, and not all countries (even developed ones) have "freedom of speech" in their constitution. Australia doesn't actually have one, however it is implied. Trying to police the internet to fit the American first amendment won't work for other countries, simply because they are not America (shocking isn't it!)

then become America, isnt freedom of speech a universal value anyway? Who in his right mind is against that?

[Orbitus]

then become America, isnt freedom of speech a universal value anyway? Who in his right mind is against that?

Again, you don't get freedom of speech on a private platform.

[shimerra]

Having the platform remove your voice isn’t “the free market”. If we had that then youtube would let controversial voices and opinions inhabit their corners and they would likely see no broad appeal to those outside. Occasionally they would pop-up, people would talk about it, and then we’d move on with our lives, no one banned for holding an opinion.

It literally is the free market because those people can go wherever else they want and voice that opinion. Just not on youtube. Youtube is exercising their FREEDOM OF ASSOCIATION by choosing not to associate with certain people. Usually because they're toxic conspiracy theory peddling dickwads or pedophiles to name a couple. You want to take away their freedom and force them to associate with these people because you don't understand what free markets or free speech actually is.


What you're saying is you should be allowed to piss and shit in one corner of my business and if I kicked you out I'm violating you're right. That's absolutely stupid. I'm in every way within reason to kick you out. And let's also not pretend you're disingenuous to pretend that all these people are just "banned for holding an opinion".


And reality has literally contradicted your statement. People game youtube's algorithm to to rake in those ad bucks and plenty of wrong, violent, and toxic opinions are spread just because it's views that helps drives traffic. Hell there's even videos that are literally designed, from a bare bones psychologic perspective, to be like crack to children and screws with them in a way that Transformers and every surgery cereal add could never hope to do by encouraging a "down the rabbit hole" situation.

[Volardelis]

It is funny how conservatives are all for the free market, but hate it when the free market "silences" them from popular platforms.

[Amerissis]

Having monopolies to silence one side and promote the other (aka YT trying to promote the YT and left-leaning positions on immigration, while banning right-wing channels gun channels) is actually MORALLY wrong and not healthy for the society overall.

I can find the wildest conspiracy theories, gun fetishists, extremist political and religious views, animal torture, Darwin award nominees, violence and nudity, so what exactly is censored? Pure Nazi content? Good, it should be, just as we censor child porn f.i.

And yeah, they dó have the right to remove videos and ban people, it's a company. Free speech means the government can't throw you in prison for having an opinion, not that you can say anything anywhere and not face consequences.

[Yriel]

when you see Alex Jones claiming loud and clear that Sandy Hook was a government hoax, that the grieving parent are just paid actor, you cheer?
As a consequences, many parent receive harassment and death threat.

Alex Jones had it coming, he had no regard for the consequences of his word and incite more and more violence. i know, i know, first amendment, he can say these horrible things. But I also understand if youtube wants no part of it. I wouldn't either.

And yet all the people who did the same thing to the covington kids are all still on twitter/facebook, even those who sent direct threats still have their checkmarks despite being reported several times.
Explain that please?

[lagiacrux]

its kind of depressing to see after about a million threads about this topic, the majority that posters here still dont understand the definition of the words

- freedom of speech
- monopoly
- censorship

[Surreality]

Moral responsibility is a thing of the distant past. We are now in the age of DGAF. Grab your helmet and pads, it's going to be a bumpy and stupid ride into near extinction.

[Mistame]

Nope, when you're all but required to have access to it to get most jobs or perform several other basic operations in your day-to-day life, it goes from being a luxury to a fundamental requirement of the modern world. There's no valid argument to the contrary.

The internet is a network, yes. But the network is composed primarily of privately owned and maintained servers and hardware. So unless by "freely available" you mean, "available wherever the company has decided to make it available and for a fee that the company or market deems reasonable", then yes, there is a valid argument to the contrary. Government cannot force private entities to provide "free" access to their products, services or networks. Even basic services, which are categorized as "public utilities", aren't "free". If you can't pay your water, gas, electric or phone bills, you don't get water, gas, electricity or phone service.

then become America, isnt freedom of speech a universal value anyway? Who in his right mind is against that?

"Freedom of speech" is protection from government, only, period.

[Jonnusthegreat]

Nope, when you're all but required to have access to it to get most jobs or perform several other basic operations in your day-to-day life, it goes from being a luxury to a fundamental requirement of the modern world. There's no valid argument to the contrary.

There are valid arguments, you're just considering them invalid based on your situation and value system. I really don't want to argue because it should be free in my opinion also, but you are just claiming an opinion is fact because you believe so strongly about it.

[Dylamoo]

All corporations are at best amoral, at worst immoral. You made your bed, now lie in it.\

Also voting for Hillary is far from being a point of pride and wanting to vote boring centrism just further shows us that.

lul he said boring centrism.

OH MAN I HAVE TO PICK ONE SIDE OTHERWISE IT WON'T BE DRAMATIC ENOUGH.

[Unholyground]

We all need to start using bing!

[Doctor Funkenstein]

There are valid arguments, you're just considering them invalid based on your situation and value system. I really don't want to argue because it should be free in my opinion also, but you are just claiming an opinion is fact because you believe so strongly about it.

No, there aren't. Just invalid bullshit, in line with saying people don't deserve access to clean water. Access to the Internet is a fundamental aspect of modern society now. Twenty years ago, you could have gotten away with some of those "valid" excuses, but not today, and certainly not as the future rolls along (save that they transition to whatever new global networks come in to replace it as the Internet ages).

The internet is a network, yes. But the network is composed primarily of privately owned and maintained servers and hardware.

ALL of which you have the free choice to use or not use as you see fit. ALL of which have multiple alternatives. NONE of which you are forced to use, and ALL of which you are completely free to choose to use. Again: The Internet is not the services on the network, it's just the network itself. If some day you're unable to access select services on that network, then you can complain that the Internet is being censored, and if it's a company blocking competitors, then you're totally free to start claiming a monopoly is encroaching. Until then, it's all bullshit vomited up by ignorant fuckwits who don't know what the hell they're babbling about.

And again, the only reason services like Google, Amazon, YouTube, and Facebook are as big as they are is because they offer a fantastic service (well, aside from Facebook but that's 100% biased) that people enjoy using, and which are free to use on top of that. Services like Bing, Yahoo, Altavista, MySpace, and etc. are all in the distant background because they stopped appealing to the public for a variety of reasons whilst their competitors did. Again that is pretty much the exact fucking opposite of a monopoly. Google didn't go buy out Microsft the day they put Bing online, they just provided a better service. That's just a good business catering to their customers and being rewarded for it.

Unlike companies of old like Microsoft who went around actively destroying their competition through all kinds of shady methods, none of these companies are doing that. They're big and popular because they're good services, not because they're stomping on anyone who dares compete with them.

So unless by "freely available" you mean, "available wherever the company has decided to make it available and for a fee that the company or market deems reasonable", then yes, there is a valid argument to the contrary.

No, that's not what I mean. Access to the Internet -- which, yet again, is just the mother fucking network itself -- should be freely available to the public. Ditto for services intended for the public, such as most government-based services. The private businesses accessed through the Internet, no, they shouldn't be freely available unless they choose to be. And they are free to "censor" (and I'm grossly misusing that term in the same way most of the nincompoops in this thread are) whatever the fuck they want, as protected by their freedom of speech.

There is no valid argument to the contrary.