Fox bewails children being taught the concept of fairness

[Jibjub]

No. Someone that has $100 and have to pay $10 from that is more affected by that loss of $10 than someone who has $10000 and has to pay $1000. He still has $9000 left to use. Even if the one with $10000 paid 25% of it, he would still have a lot of money for himself.

You are editorializing and calling it "fair" based on your own beliefs. A flat tax is objectively fair -- it is the very definition of fair, in fact. I am not even advocating a flat tax, but if you want to talk what is fair... that really is the only thing that is fair. How do I know? Because every single person in this thread would probably have a different idea of what "fair" is for someone making $10,000 and someone making $100,000.

You are only looking at the second half of the equation. Why does skill / talent / work ethic / ability not factor into your equation?

Because you want equal outcome, not equal opportunity. It's a nasty philosophy.

[Sandraudiga]

A progressive tax rate is the opposite of fair, and punishing the rich both in terms of personal and business sense is what causes people to evade taxes by relocating their offices overseas. If taxing a company higher forces them to move to Ireland, then instead of getting a smaller percentage of their tax, you now get 0.

Should be a flat tax rate for everyone, with no tax below a threshold, while at the same time taxing companies according to where the profit was made. If you had revenue of 100 million in country A you should be taxed in country A not in country B with a lower corporate tax rate. Lower tax rate but removal of all these tax evasion loop holes.

[Reverb256]

It would be FAIR to have a flat tax rate for all income brackets.

Equal opportunity is infinitely superior to equal outcome.

You know why? Because unequal outcome is a result of individuals who are free to make individual choices.

[Super Kami Dende]

There is a difference between fairness and feeling the right to have what everyone else has.

[Coolthulhu]

Even if hating the rich would be somehow equatable to teaching fairness, if kids learn that life isn't fair at a young age, it'll be far less likely for them to turn into entitled envious failures.

[Doctor Amadeus]

You are editorializing and calling it "fair" based on your own beliefs. A flat tax is objectively fair -- it is the very definition of fair, in fact. I am not even advocating a flat tax, but if you want to talk what is fair... that really is the only thing that is fair. How do I know? Because every single person in this thread would probably have a different idea of what "fair" is for someone making $10,000 and someone making $100,000.

You are only looking at the second half of the equation. Why does skill / talent / work ethic / ability not factor into your equation?

Because you want equal outcome, not equal opportunity. It's a nasty philosophy.

"Yep let them Eat cake" That works out really well traditionally.

[Doctor Amadeus]

Even if hating the rich would be somehow equatable to teaching fairness, if kids learn that life isn't fair at a young age, it'll be far less likely for them to turn into entitled envious failures.

No if they learn life isn't fair and don't try to do anything about it, that is a mental condition of slavery, and 2nd class citizenship, regardless if you think you are first class or not.

It's a shitty system and not sustainable. especially when we have 2nd, 3rd and 4 Class all being down graded while first class keeps going up.

[Katie N]

I did.

No, you didn't. How do I prosper from it? How does everyone prosper from it? People are left in poverty, to fend for themselves, rely on family if they can't afford to live. Society doesn't help them. He's just talking bullshit.

[Doctor Amadeus]

There is a difference between fairness and feeling the right to have what everyone else has.

Yeah you obviously just marked yourself out as not having a clue what fairness is. Because that is exactly that, you somehow thinking fuck anybody who dreams or has ambitions beyond their station in life, because somehow everyone else with more must have some how been favored by The gods is bullshit.


Nobody deserves to eat a shit sandwich while you enjoy cake, and by a more extreme degree nobody deserves to die and their spirits crushed while you get whatever you can and thankful for whatever fortune you feel lucky to have.

[Mormolyce]

I mean it depends a lot on corporate culture but I think most CEOs work crazy hours. And in companies that are very beholden to a wide investor base of mostly speculators and arbitrators, the CEOs get chewed out every quarter they fail to generate ridiculous growth.
Now if you are thinking about family owned megacorps whose CEO is a member of the family and where most of the work is done by the CFO and COO, yeah, those might be getting some slack. But those are investors who like to pretend they are working, not managers.

It's just that the CEO and the 1% is not the real problem. We really need to focus on the investor class and their vast ability to evade taxation and justice while being able to grossly manipulate the political system because Financial efficiencies simply outearn utility creation. Or just significantly regulate capital markets and cripple those efficiencies that don't actually increase aggragate utility in any appreciable way.

Yeah I mean those poor guys, if they do a bad job they might have to leave the company on a six figure golden parachute and performance incentives.

JK, CEOs don't ever have to face the music because they come in, put in place policies that maximise short term gains regardless of the long term consequences, then leave for their next job 3-5 years later after reaping the rewards but before anyone sees the consequences of their policies.

In any case, assessing the performance of a CEO is a rather hilarious prospect - the only people who can analyse the impact of their changes is the analysts that work for the company, and oh guess what? They report to the CEO. What do you think the odds are that you're going to push a report up the chain that makes your bosses look bad? And that they will push that report another rung up the chain if it'll make their bosses look bad? I can tell you from personal experience, the chance of that happening is pretty much zero.

Shit, I worked on any number of projects when I was in banking that every single analyst on the ground knew were going to lose money. But a GM or above was pushing it, so they buried all the reports and published flimsy fictions. To do otherwise is... a career-limiting move as we used to say.

[Katie N]

You are editorializing and calling it "fair" based on your own beliefs. A flat tax is objectively fair -- it is the very definition of fair, in fact. I am not even advocating a flat tax, but if you want to talk what is fair... that really is the only thing that is fair. How do I know? Because every single person in this thread would probably have a different idea of what "fair" is for someone making $10,000 and someone making $100,000.

You are only looking at the second half of the equation. Why does skill / talent / work ethic / ability not factor into your equation?

Because you want equal outcome, not equal opportunity. It's a nasty philosophy.

No, it's not objectively fair. You are punishing poor people while giving lenience to richer people. For someone who has $100, that $10 can be the difference between having food on table or not. For someone that has $10000, paying $1000 doesn't make a difference to that. It only reduces the luxuries he can afford.

[Mormolyce]

There is a difference between fairness and feeling the right to have what everyone else has.

So why blame fairness?

[Doctor Amadeus]

No, you didn't. How do I prosper from it? How does everyone prosper from it? People are left in poverty, to fend for themselves, rely on family if they can't afford to live. Society doesn't help them. He's just talking bullshit.

What's in it for you right, it's all about you, forget that tradition and honor and culture right, didn't you bang on about that, aren't you the one who also said why should you care about say the Vietnam war?

And the lasting reverberations for people other than yourself who were put through living hell?

Yeah the fuck everybody who isn't me leads to the kind of thinking that it is only incumbent to give a shit about others like you when it serves only you.

[Super Kami Dende]

Yeah you obviously just marked yourself out as not having a clue what fairness is. Because that is exactly that, you somehow thinking fuck anybody who dreams or has ambitions beyond their station in life, because somehow everyone else with more must have some how been favored by The gods is bullshit.


Nobody deserves to eat a shit sandwich while you enjoy cake, and by a more extreme degree nobody deserves to die and their spirits crushed while you get whatever you can and thankful for whatever fortune you feel lucky to have.

Fairness is giving all people the ability to have a Job they want and contribute to society, feeling you have the right to wanting what everyone else has is demanding people support you regardless of what you do.

Fairness shouldn't include supporting lazy people. Either work for what you want or eat the shit sandwich.

[Mormolyce]

No, you didn't. How do I prosper from it? How does everyone prosper from it? People are left in poverty, to fend for themselves, rely on family if they can't afford to live. Society doesn't help them. He's just talking bullshit.

Maybe yours doesn't. Mine has a minimum wage and welfare. Try as the conservatives might to stop it.

No, it's not objectively fair. You are punishing poor people while giving lenience to richer people. For someone who has $100, that $10 can be the difference between having food on table or not. For someone that has $10000, paying $1000 doesn't make a difference to that. It only reduces the luxuries he can afford.

I don't get it - you agree with me about progressive tax rates?

[Super Kami Dende]

So why blame fairness?

Because like most stupid shit these days, People use the Word Fairness when they actually mean something else. Which makes it useless. Like the Words Racism or Sexism have become useless.

[Orbitus]

They'd take the business with them. Or are you reallh that dense

Where are they going to go? A country that will charge them more in taxes?

[Mormolyce]

Because like most stupid shit these days, People use the Word Fairness when they actually mean something else. Which makes it useless. Like the Words Racism or Sexism have become useless.

What did the Fox News commentator mean when he said:

"The idea of fairness has been promoted in our schools for a long time. We’re starting to see kids who grew up with this nothing of fairness above all. Now they’re becoming voting age, and they’re bringing this ideology with them."

?

[Katie N]

I don't get it - you agree with me about progressive tax rates?

I never said anything about progressive tax rates being bad. I said the core idea behind society isn't about making everyone prosper like the one I quoted said it was by making those who can do more compensate for those who can do less.

[Mormolyce]

I never said anything about progressive tax rates being bad. I said the core idea behind society isn't about making sure everyone prosper like the one I quoted said it was.

Well that is the idea, taxes are meant to support public projects that benefit the community as a whole.

Regardless of how well that works in practice.