Trump administration approves rule to restrict abortion clinic funding

[LaserSharkDFB]

I was talking about healthy, normal fetuses. Some mothers still want their kids to be born even if they are clearly suffering from some genetic abnormality, by the way, and most will still care for them normally. But others feel like they should be able to "abort" a healthy fetus even very late in the last semester or w/e the name is in English, and that's not OK. There's a responsibility for a mother once she is pregnant, and that future human being growing in her is not to be treated lightly or as being disposable. This should be something related to common human decency, not driven by religion, just respect life, and understand how precious it is.

Prove it. Cite your claim. Defend with facts the idea that anyone except maybe a vanishingly small number of people would, after carrying a healthy fetus almost to term, decide to abort. This is a common right-wing talking point that feels good to them, but I've never seen any actual numbers on it.

Prove it or STFU and stop acting like choosing to have an abortion is the same as flipping a coin to some people.

[Dontrike]

Yes but once he becomes President all the horrible things he claimed he would do he won't do.

Minus all the terrible things he said he would do and did do.

[ipaq]

So people are not allowed to believe that abortions are wrong and immoral?

Nope trash like you cannot, and will not, control women body.

Else ISIS await you.

[s_bushido]

There are multiple videos on the web with people like Northam that argue calmly for what is essentially infanticide. I won't post them because others will report me and I will get banned, since both people and these forums can't handle truth, by reasoning that users are unable to discuss in a civilized manner.

Which your angry "STFU" and accusations of "right wing" pretty much proves the mods here correct, sadly.

So complain all you want when proof is one google search away, I don't owe you anything, so go find it, and no, I won't STFU, you have no power to shut me up whatsoever. Must be frustrating to see people still having speech you dislike, is it?

Yeah, no one is impressed by stripping any context and nuance from what someone is saying to try and push a horseshit agenda (except the people who already buy into said horseshit).

If you consider it "infanticide" to let a brain-dead or terminally ill newborn die instead of keeping it on life support until it inevitably dies anyway...well, that's just too bad.

[Rasulis]

There are multiple videos on the web with people like Northam that argue calmly for what is essentially infanticide. I won't post them because others will report me and I will get banned, since both people and these forums can't handle truth, by reasoning that users are unable to discuss in a civilized manner.

Which your angry "STFU" and accusations of "right wing" pretty much proves the mods here correct, sadly.

So complain all you want when proof is one google search away, I don't owe you anything, so go find it, and no, I won't STFU, you have no power to shut me up whatsoever. Must be frustrating to see people still having speech you dislike, is it?

We can argue about the morality of abortion until our mouths foam. However, if the goal is to improve the well being of mothers and infants, it has been proven over and over again that defunding Planned Parenthood is the dumbest way to reach that goal. It is no coincidence that states that actively been trying to limit and defund Planned Parenthood are the ones with the highest maternal/infant mortality rates and teenage/repeat teenage pregnancy rates.

In their zeal to outlaw abortion, they have forgotten that Planned Parenthood provides more than just abortion, which is a very small part of their services. They also provide sex education; women's health (cervical cancer and mammogram screening, etc.); pre-, neo- and post-natal cares; and contraceptive. In United States Planned Parenthood provides services to 40% of low-income women and those living in remote rural areas. To many of these women, it is the only available option.

When the Great State of Texas defunded Planned Parenthood in 2011, 31 out of 74 Planned Parenthood's clinics closed. In some rural areas women had to drive 8 hours to the closest service providers. The State of Texas failed to provide alternative to Planned Parenthood.

Lets take a look at some of the numbers from the Great State of Texas. Since the 2016, Texas maternal mortality increased 9% from 31.5 to 34.2 deaths per 100,000 live births. How about we compare those numbers to California. Since the 2016, California maternal mortality decreased 24% from 5.9 to 4.5 deaths per 100,000 live births. As bad as the number is for Texas, their maternal mortality rate for low-income women is even worse at a stinking 85.6 deaths per 100,000 live births.

Right now, out of the 10 states with the highest maternal mortality rates in the US, nine are states that actively try to limit and defund Planned Parenthood. BTW, Texas went from the having the fifth-highest repeat teen pregnancy rate in 2014 to #1 in 2017. One wonder why no Texas governor ever mentioned that fact about their great state.

p.s. The 14 states with the highest teen pregnancy rates are all anti-abortion states.

[Tolbybolton]

Nope trash like you cannot, and will not, control women body.

Else ISIS await you.

1) reported.
2) no human being should be murdered.

[Felya]

no human being should be murdered.

The mortality rate of women giving birth in US has nearly doubled, since Nixon’s healthcare initiative that we call “before Obamacare”. Fixing that mortality rate, not only saves lives, it also saves a lot of hangers from being misappropriated. Until you are ready to deal with that, scoring points on a gaming forum, by shitting on “murder” is pretty low.

[Draco-Onis]

There are multiple videos on the web with people like Northam that argue calmly for what is essentially infanticide. I won't post them because others will report me and I will get banned, since both people and these forums can't handle truth, by reasoning that users are unable to discuss in a civilized manner.

Which your angry "STFU" and accusations of "right wing" pretty much proves the mods here correct, sadly.

So complain all you want when proof is one google search away, I don't owe you anything, so go find it, and no, I won't STFU, you have no power to shut me up whatsoever. Must be frustrating to see people still having speech you dislike, is it?

No it's not what Northam said and painting as such is not really being open to the situation, he basically said a doctor should be consulted if a child is born who would most likely be brain dead. Are you for life no matter what?

[Somewhatconcerned]

The mortality rate of women giving birth in US has nearly doubled, since Nixon’s healthcare initiative that we call “before Obamacare”. Fixing that mortality rate, not only saves lives, it also saves a lot of hangers from being misappropriated. Until you are ready to deal with that, scoring points on a gaming forum, by shitting on “murder” is pretty low.

Bingo, bingo.

Ironic and sad because didn't this administration also make it harder for women to get birth control thru their employer's health plans? On religious grounds? LOL

Abortion might be on the decline but you could reduce it to super insignificant numbers with better, widespread education and open access to birth control.

Wouldn't expect this administration to understand, however.

[GreenGoldSharpie]

Ironic and sad because didn't this administration also make it harder for women to get birth control thru their employer's health plans? On religious grounds? LOL

It's going to get way worse. The Trump administration is about to set in place a rule that will push Planned Parenthood out of the family planning sector while moving their funding to religious crisis centers that offer nothing but Bible platitudes. Look for another spike in mortality rates so religious nuts can have the moral high ground.

[Adam Jensen]

If you want there to be fewer abortions then support democrats. If republicans get their way with the law and then the courts then there will not only be more abortions, but more harm done to women as well.

This.

Planned Parenthood, contraceptives, easy access to women's healthcare, all things Republicans oppose for "pro life" considerations have been proven to lower the abortion rate.

[Adam Jensen]

I mean the travesty is that you need Planned Parenthood for things that should be covered by healthcare for everyone in the first place . . .

There's plenty wrong with what's supposed to be "the greatest nation on Earth."

[Coolthulhu]

It's hilarious, really. Almost as if the social conservatives were heavily under the influence of the lobby of the ladies of the wood. And I thought the ladies of the wood was a phenomenon that only persisted in remote, rural parts of Europe...

[gondrin]

1) reported.
2) no human being should be murdered.

Let me ask you a question. Should a person be forced to sustain another being with their body even if sustaining said being would be ultimately fatal for the first person? If yes, do you also believe someone should be forced to donate organs, even while alive, to someone else that is dying and needs said organ and is compatible? If not on this question, then why?

All being have a right to life. They don't have a right to use someone elses body to sustain said life even if it means forfeiting that life in the process. Don't mistake what I'm saying for support for abortion. I don't support abortion but I don't want a persons autonomy to be violated by laws from the state unless they have committed a crime that requires said violation.

[Stormspellz]

So people are not allowed to believe that abortions are wrong and immoral?

immoral? no you can believe that but its legal so not "wrong"

keep your religion out of legislation

[LaserSharkDFB]

There are multiple videos on the web with people like Northam that argue calmly for what is essentially infanticide. I won't post them because others will report me and I will get banned, since both people and these forums can't handle truth, by reasoning that users are unable to discuss in a civilized manner.

Which your angry "STFU" and accusations of "right wing" pretty much proves the mods here correct, sadly.

So complain all you want when proof is one google search away, I don't owe you anything, so go find it, and no, I won't STFU, you have no power to shut me up whatsoever. Must be frustrating to see people still having speech you dislike, is it?

So, you fail on many counts here.

If there are such videos, it is your responsibility to link them, not ours to try to find them. The burden of proof is on your claim. Claiming people can't 'handle truth' is a copout.

I never said you were right-wing, just that right-wingers use this baseless argument a lot.

Northram's bill did not involve a decision on a whim, as you keep implying. It was about a fetus with a condition that would cause pain and suffering for their entire life. This is a situation that happens in only incredibly rare circumstances, and not a casual concern. Again: Prove that there are people that would carry a healthy fetus to term, then choose to abort at the last minute. Life of the mother circumstances don't count.

And frustrated? Sure. I'm always frustrated that people like you will lie and continue to lie for no other reason than to hurt people. Selling out your moral foundation to own the libs, I guess.

[ipaq]

1) reported.
2) no human being should be murdered.

Reported? Go ahead cunt. Make My Day.

Ask the twats mods at mmo-c how much I much shit I give about being temp banned from this platform.

[Tolbybolton]

immoral? no you can believe that but its legal so not "wrong"

keep your religion out of legislation

Wrong, religion has nothing to do with murdering alive beings being immoral. Its just simple human ethics.

[Dontrike]

Wrong, religion has nothing to do with murdering alive beings being immoral.

I see you're an aficionado of ignoring history.

[Masark]

Wrong, religion has nothing to do with murdering alive beings being immoral. Its just simple human ethics.

Yes, and you are on the side that flavors murdering alive beings.

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Ironic and sad because didn't this administration also make it harder for women to get birth control thru their employer's health plans? On religious grounds? LOL

Yup. See signature.

Specifically, a regression to feudalism and Cuius regio, eius religio.