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    Know Your Rights - Town Apologizes to 12 Year Old Journalist

    By Tom Jackman February 28 at 12:27 PM
    Even in a new town, with new friends and new stories, 12-year-old crime reporter Hilde Kate Lysiak knew her rights. And when she was pursuing a story in the small town of Patagonia, Ariz., last week, she stood firm and shot video of the town police chief telling her, “If you put my face on the Internet, it’s against the law.”

    Then things got weird.

    The national news media picked up on the story. The town, population 920, and the police chief received plenty of feedback on the video posted by Hilde on her website, the Orange Street News. The chief, Marshal Joseph Patterson, told the Associated Press he had received death threats. The town then posted a statement saying it had “taken action we believe to be appropriate for the situation” and wouldn’t comment further on “personnel actions.” Then the town added this: “Please see ARS 13-2401 for relevant information.” ARS 13-2401 is the Arizona law which makes it a Class 5 felony to post personal information of a police officer on the Internet if it poses a threat. A Class 5 felony carries a two-year prison sentence in Arizona.

    The Lysiak family was taken aback. Was the town threatening to arrest the young journalist and book author? They waited for several days, and then Hilde’s mom, Bridget Reddan, reached out to town Mayor Andrea Wood. And at the Patagonia town council meeting Wednesday night, Wood read a full and unhesitant apology into the record.

    “The governing body for the town of Patagonia would like to apologize for the First Amendment rights violation inflicted upon Hilde Lysiak, a young reporter in our community,” Wood said. “We are sorry Hilde. We encourage and respect your continued aspiration as a successful reporter. We believe and fully support the constitutional right to freedom of speech in the public sector.”

    And they removed the reference to the Class 5 felony from the town website.

    Hilde and her family are thrilled. She wrote a statement early Thursday, then flew off to Florida to make a speech at a book signing. She, with help from her father, author Matthew Lysiak, has written six books for Scholastic about being a young crime reporter and solving cases in her hometown of Selinsgrove, Pa., where the Orange Street News was created. The family is staying temporarily in Patagonia, about 20 miles north of the Mexico border, to give Hilde and her three siblings new experiences in another part of the country.

    “I’m just glad this is behind me," Hilde said, “and I’m very thankful to the town of Patagonia, especially the mayor and town council. This wasn’t just about me. It was important. I was worried about the First Amendment rights of journalists, and every other citizen in town, especially those who unlike me, don’t have a microphone."

    Wood and Marshal Patterson did not immediately respond to requests for comment.

    Hilde has been reporting for her self-published Orange Street News since she was 8. When she was 9, she heard of a possible homicide in her town, biked over to it, and posted both stories and video on her website before the mainstream media. When some people in the town were critical of a 9-year-old reporting on homicide, they sent her nasty notes and emails. Hilde responded with a video saying, basically, if you don’t like it, do it yourself. When The Washington Post posted the video, things took off, ultimately leading to both a book deal with Scholastic and a proposed television series.

    But Hilde has stayed grounded, her father said. She doesn’t read the stories about herself. She just keeps plugging away, reporting the news in the apparently somewhat mean streets of Selinsgrove, judging by recent stories in the Orange Street News ["NOTE TO DEALERS: OSN Will Not Be Intimidated. Drug Investigations Will Continue" is one story, and that came immediately after "Man Charged After Allegedly Menacing Grove Woman."]

    Matthew Lysiak moved his family from New York, where he was a reporter for the New York Daily News, to Selinsgrove, where they opened a bed-and-breakfast. But in their travels, they had visited and loved Patagonia, and the four kids — Hilde, older sister Izzy and two younger siblings — and a dog are staying in a modified trailer there, Lysiak said.

    The encounter with Marshal Patterson was not Hilde’s first since she began working the beat in Patagonia, and she’d had plenty of experience with cops in Selinsgrove. When the police there came down on her hard two years ago, “I told her to take it as a real compliment,” Lysiak said. “They’re treating you like a real reporter.”

    Neither Hilde nor Lysiak will say what story she was pursuing on Feb. 18, when she got into her dispute with Patterson. Journalists don’t talk about their stories before they’re published, especially with other journalists. But Patterson clearly felt that Hilde was following him and wanted her to stop. Hilde pushed back. The chief apparently threatened to take Hilde “to juvey” (juvenile detention) and said that he didn’t want to hear any First Amendment talk, but that wasn’t recorded on tape. In a separate interaction that was taped, Patterson tells Hilde she has lied to him, disobeyed a direct order not to follow him and that he was “looking out for your safety.” A mountain lion was reported in the area, Patterson said.

    Legal and police experts said it is well established that members of the public may film or photograph police officers performing their duties in public. Hilde knew that. And so, apparently, did the Patagonia town council.

    “We will not tolerate bias of any kind,” Mayor Wood said, “including infringement of freedom of speech. ... We the governing body acknowledge our negligence and sincerely apologize to all who felt her constitutional rights were violated.”

    “It was a very generous statement,” Lysiak said of Wood’s public apology. “It didn’t just affirm Hilde’s rights but everybody’s rights.”

    Hilde added: "Now that I believe my rights are protected I can move forward with covering the news. That is all I want to do.”
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/crime...ing-arrest-her

    What's up with power in the US and 1st Amendment violations?

    Summary:

    12 year is a journalist in her town. She has covered stuff ranging from local drug dealers to The Wall. One day she filmed a local cop and boy did he not like that. He threated to have her arrested because he didn't want his picture on the Internet. The story went viral and the town made a statement...which implied that the girl had committed a felony. Looks like someone educated them because a week later they got their act together and issued a formal apology to the journalist.

    Know your rights.


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    12 year old journalist? She likely don't know the proper conduct for journalists at all.

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    At least at 12 years of age her reporting likely is better than most current MSM.

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    This sounds a lot like the parents using their child as a propaganda piece/feel good story for quick cash. Granted the police chief is a tool, the father and mother sound like even bigger tools

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jinro View Post
    12 year old journalist? She likely don't know the proper conduct for journalists at all.
    A 12 year old journalist and author that knows about her first amendment rights better than the Police Chief.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Foosha View Post
    This sounds a lot like the parents using their child as a propaganda piece/feel good story for quick cash. Granted the police chief is a tool, the father and mother sound like even bigger tools
    Or maybe they are parents that just don't appreciate the Chief of Police threatening to send their daughter to prison
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    Quote Originally Posted by Evil Midnight Bomber View Post
    A 12 year old journalist and author that knows about her first amendment rights better than the Police Chief.


    As if she would know that if her parents didn't tell her.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jinro View Post


    As if she would know that if her parents didn't tell her.
    Her parents weren't there when she refused to stop filming the Police Chief
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    everyone sounds like a tool. the only correct course of action is to nuke the entire region.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Evil Midnight Bomber View Post
    Her parents weren't there when she refused to stop filming the Police Chief
    You're not really making any sense. Why do the parents need to be there when she was filming him for her to have been told by the parents about it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Foosha View Post
    This sounds a lot like the parents using their child as a propaganda piece/feel good story for quick cash. Granted the police chief is a tool, the father and mother sound like even bigger tools
    I clicked some of the links in the article. The kid seems like she is actually about that journalist life. Also seems like the parents were only worried about the initial press release from the city that made it seem like they said what the girl did was a felony.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jinro View Post
    You're not really making any sense. Why do the parents need to be there when she was filming him for her to have been told by the parents about it?
    Because she knew about it before it became an issue. It wasn't like she went home, told her parents about it, and they told her "He can't do that".
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    Quote Originally Posted by Evil Midnight Bomber View Post
    Because she knew about it before it became an issue. It wasn't like she went home, told her parents about it, and they told her "He can't do that".
    Your post doesn't really make any sense as a reply to mine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jinro View Post
    Your post doesn't really make any sense as a reply to mine.
    She knew about her rights before the Officer told her she had to stop filming. She didn't have to ask her parents about it. She already knew.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Evil Midnight Bomber View Post
    She knew about her rights before the Officer told her she had to stop filming. She didn't have to ask her parents about it. She already knew.
    You're missing Jinro's point. She knew from somewhere - likely from her parents telling her at some point in time, for example 2 years before the incident.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Evil Midnight Bomber View Post
    She knew about her rights before the Officer told her she had to stop filming. She didn't have to ask her parents about it. She already knew.
    She knew about it because most likely her parents have told her about it. Holy shit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Loveliest View Post
    You're missing Jinro's point. She knew from somewhere - likely from her parents telling her at some point in time, for example 2 years before the incident.
    Well two things. I believe her dad was/is a journalist. Kids who pay attention in school know their Bill of Rights at that age. Its not unlikely for a kid passionate about journalism to know their rights. Hell you can pick up on what you're allowed to do by looking at videos on Youtube.

    Really doesn't matter if her parents informed her of her rights. We all learn from someone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Loveliest View Post
    You're missing Jinro's point. She knew from somewhere - likely from her parents telling her at some point in time, for example 2 years before the incident.
    Yes, she knew from somewhere...but there's no reason that she couldn't have learned it on her own...she's been doing this for 4 years.

    Also, I think Jinro is missing the point that the 12 year old journalist that he's throwing shade at was more familiar with the law than the Chief of Police.
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    Thought she was going to get shot given it was in the USA..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jinro View Post
    She knew about it because most likely her parents have told her about it. Holy shit.
    Maybe her parents told her,maybe she learned it from school. There's also this whole thing called "The Internet"...maybe you've heard about it?
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