The vindicaar plot hole - an easy solution

[Piamonte]

Couldnt Blizzard just say that the Vindicar left Azeroth after the initial quests of a new lightforged character?? I mean with the legion in disarray this is the best oportunity they have to invade other worlds and lightforge the heck out of everything almost without resistance.

That way the Alliance doesnt have a super weapon that could end the war in a second.

[Schattenlied]

Couldnt Blizzard just say that the Vindicar left Azeroth after the initial quests of a new lightforged character?? I mean with the legion in disarray this is the best oportunity they have to invade other worlds and lightforge the heck out of everything almost without resistance.

Your mistake is thinking the the Army of the Light is the same as the AU Draenor lightforged who just run around forcing the light on everyone, they aren't, they are separate groups, from seperate timelines, with different leadership, principles, and objectives, the Army of the Light in our timeline doesn't do that shit.

[Jester Joe]

Your mistake is thinking the the Army of the Light is the same as the AU Draenor lightforged who just run around forcing the light on everyone, they aren't, they are separate groups, the Army of the Light doesn't do that shit.

I mean, there's the one lightforged draenei who mentions doing something close to Horde prisoners, but the AU was lightbound, not lightforged

[Newname1234567890]

Your mistake is thinking the the Army of the Light is the same as the AU Draenor lightforged who just run around forcing the light on everyone, they aren't, they are separate groups, from seperate timelines, with different leadership, principles, and objectives., the Army of the Light in our timeline doesn't do that shit.

Correction the Army of Light we've met don't go lightforging people, assuming you ignore the Light Mother

[Piamonte]

Your mistake is thinking the the Army of the Light is the same as the AU Draenor lightforged who just run around forcing the light on everyone, they aren't, they are separate groups, the Army of the Light doesn't do that shit.

Didnt you see when Xera tried to lightforge illidan by force?? I mean, i know she is dead but the army of the light followed her blindly. Also there is a lightforged npc Who basically says she wants war and purge the heretics or something along these lines.

What happened in au draenor is blizzard basically telling you what would happen if the light is left unchecked. Its bound to happen in our universe as well, just that for the time being as the guy above pointed out they dont have the resources or they are simply forgotten by Blizzard until they need them in the story again.

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It is low on power. It ran out of the majority of its power during Legion. Only the minimum is currently running.

Source? Pls

[Schattenlied]

Correction the Army of Light we've met don't go lightforging people, assuming you ignore the Light Mother

One person trying to force it on one person (because they believed too strongly in a prophecy that they thought was destined to come true) doesn't = the entire organization trying to force it on every person they come into contact with. The current leader of the Army of the Light is Turalyon, and he's married to Alleria, do you think the rest of the AotL would be cool with that if they thought they needed to lightforge the entire universe?

[Newname1234567890]

One person trying to force it on one person (because they believed too strongly in a prophecy that they thought was destined to come true) doesn't = the entire organization trying to force it on every person they come into contact with. The current leader of the Army of the Light is Turalyon, and he's married to Alleria, do you think the rest of the AotL would be cool with that if they thought they needed to lightforge the entire universe?

Fair point on the Light Mother point.

Still the crashed Xenedar is described as the Flagship meaning there are others, we know of at least one other. Lothraxion doesn't appear to be among those who sided with the Allaince. My point is there could easily be other cells of the Army of Light outside of Turalyon who could be using Lightbound tactics

[Pandragon]

Couldnt Blizzard just say that the Vindicar left Azeroth after the initial quests of a new lightforged character?? I mean with the legion in disarray this is the best oportunity they have to invade other worlds and lightforge the heck out of everything almost without resistance.

That way the Alliance doesnt have a super weapon that could end the war in a second.

Or you could use common sense in that the Vindicaar needs Argunite crystals to run, and since we can no longer get to Argus if they attempt to use the Vindicaar it will quickly run out of power. There is literally a quest on Argus where Captain Freeya says "Our ships still rely on crystal technology".

It's used as the Lightforges base of operation and would only show up when it's absolutely needed. No one on the Alliance is going to flat out say "ok, we cannot beat the horde no matter what we do. Bring in the Vindicaar to wipe them out and fuck up the planet as well." Remember, that beam it fires is not a pea shooter. Anything caught in it's blast radius will be dust.

Most likely it will use the rest of it's power against N'Zoth in some form.

[shadowmatrix]

Anduin - What is the current state of the Vindicaar?
Velen - It is currently stationed on Argus to protecting the remaining Dreanei and defeating demons attempting to steal Legion technology.
Anduin - Understood, if we truly needed it how long would it take to get it back to Azeroth.
Velen - With good luck gathering energy supplies and no demon attacks around 10 years.

[MatthiasVonTzeskagrad]

Or you could use common sense in that the Vindicaar needs Argunite crystals to run, and since we can no longer get to Argus if they attempt to use the Vindicaar it will quickly run out of power. There is literally a quest on Argus where Captain Freeya says "Our ships still rely on crystal technology".

It's used as the Lightforges base of operation and would only show up when it's absolutely needed. No one on the Alliance is going to flat out say "ok, we cannot beat the horde no matter what we do. Bring in the Vindicaar to wipe them out and fuck up the planet as well." Remember, that beam it fires is not a pea shooter. Anything caught in it's blast radius will be dust.

Most likely it will use the rest of it's power against N'Zoth in some form.

To be fair, if they fired that shit on Orgrimmar they would'nt cause much damage besides wiping the fuck out of Sylvanas and the warmongering orc population. Although there was stated the huge goblin cannon in Azshara would be fired, and I could expect Lightforged to get another kick on the crotch by having the Vindicaar eating the bullet and being taken down instead of the allmighty Janina's arcane flying galleon (why the hell did such a thing had to exist anyways?)

[Powerogue]

Would make enough sense I suppose. Still plenty of demons to purge out there.

It'd be neat if they built that into something akin to how monks get their xp boost: every so often you can teleport to the Vindicaar and do something akin to those Argus invasion points in exchange for an xp boost.

[Aeula]

Not really much of a plot hole since the vindicaar sees extensive use throughout the Drustvar incursion (Albeit semi-off screen with only its teleportation devices visible).

The laser is also the racial ability for Lightforged Draenei, so the gun is in use.

The dumb thing was never that damn powerful to begin with.

[Kagthul]

Your mistake is thinking the the Army of the Light is the same as the AU Draenor lightforged who just run around forcing the light on everyone, they aren't, they are separate groups, from seperate timelines, with different leadership, principles, and objectives, the Army of the Light in our timeline doesn't do that shit.

Ahh.... you may want to check that ASSumption.

Given that Illidan had to kill that Naruu fool for literally trying to force the Light on him.

just sayin.

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Anduin - What is the current state of the Vindicaar?
Velen - It is currently stationed on Argus to protecting the remaining Dreanei and defeating demons attempting to steal Legion technology.
Anduin - Understood, if we truly needed it how long would it take to get it back to Azeroth.
Velen - With good luck gathering energy supplies and no demon attacks around 10 years.

Portal's closed.

It'd have to fly the old-fashioned way, and Argus is apparently far enough that Azeroth was nowhere near it spatially (which is why Sargeras needed a portal). Edit - meaning, it'd take quite a bit longer than 10 years, likely.

[A Chozo]

The Vindicaar is currently shooting lazers from orbit.

It's literally doing exactly what it did on Argus: Far away, shooting light-lazers, sending teleportation pads and Lightforged Warframes, seen more recently in Drustvar.

Also, keep in mind that the Argus campaign pratically depleted the Draenei resources, so they probably had to refill.

[Minikin]

Anduin - What is the current state of the Vindicaar?
Velen - It is currently stationed on Argus to protecting the remaining Dreanei and defeating demons attempting to steal Legion technology.
Anduin - Understood, if we truly needed it how long would it take to get it back to Azeroth.
Velen - With good luck gathering energy supplies and no demon attacks around 10 years.

Where is this from

[Schattenlied]

Ahh.... you may want to check that ASSumption.

You might want to actually read the thread before you post.

[shadowmatrix]

Where is this from

Personal tin foil hat story.

[GrinnersGrin]

Poochy and Stannis crashed the Vindicaar on the way back to their home planet

[shadowmatrix]

Portal's closed.

It'd have to fly the old-fashioned way, and Argus is apparently far enough that Azeroth was nowhere near it spatially (which is why Sargeras needed a portal). Edit - meaning, it'd take quite a bit longer than 10 years, likely.

I think the portal had less to do with travel distance and more to do with not knowing where it was. He only heard about the planet from the other members of the Pantheon and killed them before finding out exactly how to get there.

[Soeroah]

I honestly don't think there's a plot hole to fill.

The gun everyone's talking about is Legion tech, fuelled with Light. If it were that powerful the Legion would have done a lot more damage.

In terms of game mechanics, the Vindicaar put out enough damage every few minutes to kill a few demons in an area about a yard wide before needing to recharge.

In terms of story, basically every time we saw the gun fired it was within like 300-1000 yards of its target and it did enough damage to break rocks or penetrate walls.

I don't think it's the insta-win, army-annihilating weapon so many people seem to think it is. If it was we'd be complaining about the plot hole that saw us running around Argus manually instead of just nuking everything from the safety of orbit.