The UFC Thread

[Blueobelisk]

Last I read, everything went well and all the fights tonight are going to happen. I'm hyped as fuck. It's been a while since I've seen a good UFC fight.

4 out of 5 of the fights have someone good in them.

[Northern Goblin]

Confession: I've completely overlooked this card since they announced Adesanya vs Gastelum at 236. Some potential belters on tonight tho.

[Blueobelisk]

My boy Cody Garbrandt choked. Fuck.

[Northern Goblin]

Munhoz realised he isn't being paid by the hour, that was fast. Poor showing from Garbrandt.

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Zhang on a 19 win streak, great fight.

[Blueobelisk]

Wow. This Lawler fight.

Lawler fucked Askren up, then Askren somehow got Lawler in a headchoke. Then the ref stopped the fight even though Lawler was okay.

I saw that arm drop and thought Lawler passed out, too.

[Livevil]

Sucks for Lawler, although it did look like he was out with the arm going limp. Should had done a thumbs up or something.

[Blueobelisk]

I hope Woodley shows us some technical excellence.

[downnola]

Wow. This Lawler fight.

Lawler fucked Askren up, then Askren somehow got Lawler in a headchoke. Then the ref stopped the fight even though Lawler was okay.

I saw that arm drop and thought Lawler passed out, too.

Lawler got robbed. That slam into 10+ direct punches without defense should have sealed the deal.

[Blueobelisk]

Tyron Woodley Fight

Woodley really looked horrible. Joe Rogan hypothesized that he took damage in the first round and wasn't the same, but I think Woodley just looked bad.

The other guy was physically superior and worked much harder at wrestling and hurting Woodley long term.

Jon Jones Fight

The illegal kick sucked, but either way, Jon Jones didn't dominate him as we'd expect. I think Anthony Smith was just durable.

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Fucking OMEGALUL some random guy in this discord chat said "UFC should make Connor vs. paternity test".

[Northern Goblin]

Woodley just didn't turn up tonight at all.

Smith could have taken the DQ off that kick, it fucked him up for the rest of the fight. Plus it'd be fitting for Jones to lose that way for the number of fights where his piss ran hot.

[nocturnus]

Feel bad for Herb Dean

[Blueobelisk]

I rewatched a clip of Jon Jones' illegal knee against Smith last night again and it did a lot of damage. There was no way Smith was going to win after taking that. (He was on the loss already, but that amount of damage was too much. It was kind of dirty, but I can see how a fighter could forget that rule when being in the moment.)

I honestly think that Smith should've just said he couldn't continue and taken the win and let Jon Jones get disqualified. It would've really sucked, but it would've been the fair thing to do.

[RH92]

Feel bad for Herb Dean

He fucked up a major time: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mdU1U4hv6cE

He could have stopped the fight after the slam, Askren's head was bouncing on the canvas from the punches for a moment. Askren definitely wasn't 'intelligently' defending himself whatsoever.

Then he checks Lawler who gives him thumbs up and still stops the fight because commentators scream "He's out!!!". Such bullshit, should be no contest.

Lawler is the man though, not a single complaint from him.

[nocturnus]

He fucked up a major time: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mdU1U4hv6cE

He could have stopped the fight after the slam, Askren's head was bouncing on the canvas from the punches for a moment. Askren definitely wasn't 'intelligently' defending himself whatsoever.

Then he checks Lawler who gives him thumbs up and still stops the fight because commentators scream "He's out!!!". Such bullshit, should be no contest.

Lawler is the man though, not a single complaint from him.

I disagree. I thought he was out and everyone else that has the slightest experience in the sport thought he was out. Heck, he might've actually gone out for the slightest of moments; it happens all the time. Herb's call was understandable, considering the fighter's health has priority above all. Nevertheless, it's an unfortunate outcome.

[RH92]

I disagree. I thought he was out and everyone else that has the slightest experience in the sport thought he was out. Heck, he might've actually gone out for the slightest of moments; it happens all the time. Herb's call was understandable, considering the fighter's health has priority above all. Nevertheless, it's an unfortunate outcome.

Good conversation when you build your argument around baseless assumption about me.

Did you even watch the video? Herb checks his hand, Lawler pulls it away and gives thumbs up and Herb stopped it anyway.

[nocturnus]

Good conversation when you build your argument around baseless assumption about me.

Did you even watch the video? Herb checks his hand, Lawler pulls it away and gives thumbs up and Herb stopped it anyway.

What assumption did I make about you? That you don't have any experience?

Let's say that you do have grappling experience. What does a limp arm indicate? That's exactly what happened: his arm (looked like it) went limp. I don't need to link the fight, you can see it for yourself.

To recapitulate: Herb Dean interferred by asking Lawler if he was all right, to which he didn't receive reply. Some say the bulldog choke prevented him from replying, but that's inaccurate. Again, those with grapplling experience know that while you can't eloquently formulate senteces, you can most definitely make comprehensible sounds. Add that to the fact that he saw his arm go limp and you can't but agree with Herb Dean's decision.

A ref's number one job is to protect fighters. Period.

I believe he did go out and recovered very quickly. I've seen it happen dozens of times on the tatami; it's not something new.

[RH92]

*Snip*

You still didn't watch the video I linked, did you?

In the video you can see a different angle without Herb obscuring the vision on his 'limp' arm. Lawler dropped his hand rapidly to the ground from Askren's head and immediately started the minor movements with it, Herb comes in and checks the same hand on which Lawler respons in pulling it away from him and showing thumbs up. Fight is waved off and Lawler immediately pops out and protests. Could he make a sound? Yes. Could he hear him though? We don't know considering it was a loud arena with a lot of people screaming at the exact moment.

Also if referee is supposed to protect the fighters, then the fight should have been stopped after the slam. I am pretty sure the slam on the neck and following bombs the head were way more damaging to the fighter's longevity than a heavy squeeze on the chin. There was nothing intelligent about Askren's defense, but I don't want to slip further into this circle jerk.

Again, watch the video - I didn't post it for no reason. If lazy, watch it from 3:25 into the video. The reason I have problem with the call is because based on the evidence he actually checked whether Lawler is ok or not and still did make a hasty call. Watching it live, I thought it was good call as well until I saw Lawler popping out immediately and protesting for a bit before accepting Herb's appology and shaking his hand.

[Chillside]

Lawler got robbed. That slam into 10+ direct punches without defense should have sealed the deal.

I love Robbie and i don't think that stoppage was fair, but let's be honest, if somebody like Robbie can't fuck somebody up with as you just mentioned 10+ direct punches to the face, there's something else going on, Ben Askren, on top of being a superior wrestler, apparently has the jaw of a fooking concrete

I'd support a rematch

[nocturnus]

You still didn't watch the video I linked, did you?

In the video you can see a different angle without Herb obscuring the vision on his 'limp' arm. Lawler dropped his hand rapidly to the ground from Askren's head and immediately started the minor movements with it, Herb comes in and checks the same hand on which Lawler respons in pulling it away from him and showing thumbs up. Fight is waved off and Lawler immediately pops out and protests. Could he make a sound? Yes. Could he hear him though? We don't know considering it was a loud arena with a lot of people screaming at the exact moment.

Also if referee is supposed to protect the fighters, then the fight should have been stopped after the slam. I am pretty sure the slam on the neck and following bombs the head were way more damaging to the fighter's longevity than a heavy squeeze on the chin. There was nothing intelligent about Askren's defense, but I don't want to slip further into this circle jerk.

Again, watch the video - I didn't post it for no reason. If lazy, watch it from 3:25 into the video. The reason I have problem with the call is because based on the evidence he actually checked whether Lawler is ok or not and still did make a hasty call. Watching it live, I thought it was good call as well until I saw Lawler popping out immediately and protesting for a bit before accepting Herb's appology and shaking his hand.

Why do you keep assuming I didn't watch the video? I watched ten different ones, including yours. I discussed and analyzed the whole fight extensively with my training partners on the mats. No one is arguing the fact that the stoppage might have been avoided. What I'm saying is that it was perfectly understandable. Besides, *people tend to see what they want to see. Where are you seeing these "minor movements" and "thumbs up"? I know it* works both ways, but believe me, I am trying to see things from your perspective.

I see an arm going limp and someone that's unable to react.

They whole argument about Herb potentially calling the win after the slam is valid, but utterly irrelevant to the current narrative.

I love Robbie and i don't think that stoppage was fair, but let's be honest, if somebody like Robbie can't fuck somebody up with as you just mentioned 10+ direct punches to the face, there's something else going on, Ben Askren, on top of being a superior wrestler, apparently has the jaw of a fooking concrete

I'd support a rematch

That is Askren's way. He can take a fair punch, but when he lands the single, or double, you're in trouble. Bloody face, or not.

I've only a few people dominate Askren on the ground and one of them is Marcelo Garcia.

[Chillside]

Even before seeing all this drama about Herb's decision and post-fight interviews and stuff it was more than obvious for me ( a viewer, not a professional fighter ) that lawler's arm went limp, and i said to myself "that's it he's out", the only suspicious thing that happened was that he stood up right away, I have never been choked out, i only armwrestle, so i don't know how the unconsciousness works or how long it lasts, but for that split second HE WAS OUT

And i'm a fan of both btw, so my opinion isn't biased, i just wanted to see a good fight and i didn't