12yo Rapper Facing Felony Charges for Selling CDs

[cparle87]

Why blame the kid and not his parents? Should he have just stolen their keys and drove himself home?

Did you even read the article? He was told to leave and escorted from the premises THREE TIMES by security and snuck in through a different entrance each time to continue doing what he was clearly told was against the law. His whole "I didn't know I was doing anything wrong" excuse doesn't hold water.

[PACOX]

Did you even read the article? He was told to leave and escorted from the premises THREE TIMES by security and snuck in through a different entrance each time to continue doing what he was clearly told was against the law. His whole "I didn't know I was doing anything wrong" excuse doesn't hold water.

The point is does a kid selling CD's warrant such a response?

The sure did take a hardened criminal off the streets! Can't believe this kid had the AUDACITY to sell his CDs. NOT IN MY AMERICA! He needs to go back to being inside playing video games all day like other kids, not starting his own business! My God, this kid could have cheated the government out of $0.04 in taxes for all we know. Throw the book at him!

[noladrew]

The point is does a kid selling CD's warrant such a response?

The sure did take a hardened criminal off the streets! Can't believe this kid had the AUDACITY to sell his CDs. NOT IN MY AMERICA! He needs to go back to being inside playing video games all day like other kids, not starting his own business! My God, this kid could have cheated the government out of $0.04 in taxes for all we know. Throw the book at him!

I think you're missing the point and being facetious for no reason. He is being charged with appropriate charges, not for the fact that he was selling CDs but the fact that he was criminally trespassing on private property while disturbing the peace, which was then exacerbated by the aunt. Had the kid and his aunt just left the premises, like instructed, he wouldn't have gotten in any trouble. No one cared that he was selling CDs, hell, he's not even being charged with any kind of unlawful sale without a license or tax evasion or some crap like you're making it seem is the issue at hand, "My God, this kid could have cheated the government out of $0.04 in taxes for all we know.". You're just being a blatant idiot and making an excuse for someone not following rules of a private property and eventually law. This is part of the major issue with America as a whole. It's never the persons fault that is fucking up, it's everyone else's fault for trying to enforce laws, rules, or regulations.... /s

This should definitely be re-titled to, "12yo child charged with criminal trespassing, disorderly conduct, and felony obstruction". Title is excessively misleading. The main problem has LITERALLY NOTHING to do with him selling CDs. He was asked to leave because he was selling CDs. It became a legal issue once he refused to leave the premises and was continuously sneaking back onto the premises, hence the criminal trespassing charge. Once he was being detained, which the security guard was WELL within his rights to do, he then became willfully disorderly, hence the disorderly conduct charges. Felony obstruction charges would likely be a result of him lying about who he was or falsifying anything involved with the investigation of the incident. The obstruction charge should likely be a misdemeanor rather than a felony, especially since it was a rather victim-less crime all around. At the end of the day, society sucks because people don't want to follow laws or rules of private establishments, then when they have consequences to face, they want to blame everyone else, rather than accept said consequence. If you make your bed, lay in it. Stop deflecting and blaming your shitty behavior on everyone else instead of your parents sucking at raising you.

[Azadina]

I think you're missing the point and being facetious for no reason. He is being charged with appropriate charges, not for the fact that he was selling CDs but the fact that he was criminally trespassing on private property while disturbing the peace, which was then exacerbated by the aunt. Had the kid and his aunt just left the premises, like instructed, he wouldn't have gotten in any trouble. No one cared that he was selling CDs, hell, he's not even being charged with any kind of unlawful sale without a license or tax evasion or some crap like you're making it seem is the issue at hand, "My God, this kid could have cheated the government out of $0.04 in taxes for all we know.". You're just being a blatant idiot and making an excuse for someone not following rules of a private property and eventually law. This is part of the major issue with America as a whole. It's never the persons fault that is fucking up, it's everyone else's fault for trying to enforce laws, rules, or regulations.... /s

Local store nearby has at least dozen teenagers just waiting on you to slap them multiple felonies on trespassing, disturbing peace and whatever you want to cook up. They keep loitering at the store despite being chased off all the time.

Surely they deserve it for being such hardened criminals. Actually they'd have such a long list of felonies by now if this thread is the bar set for those, that should they perhaps be publicly executed while at it?

[noladrew]

Local store nearby has at least dozen teenagers just waiting on you to slap them multiple felonies on trespassing, disturbing peace and whatever you want to cook up. They keep loitering at the store despite being chased off all the time.

Surely they deserve it for being such hardened criminals. Actually they'd have such a long list of felonies by now if this thread is the bar set for those, that should they perhaps be publicly executed while at it?

Mentioning hypothetical situations to try to ignore the fact that this kid was caught breaking the law doesn't mean he shouldn't get in trouble for being a pain in the ass.

[KOUNTERPARTS]

You let security guards physically handle people and then you complain things go wrong. Better pay a bit more tax and have a properly staffed and trained police force that handles situation like this.

hot take right here

[Dextroden]

Yep. People are indeed saying black people should be allowed to ignore laws and requests to leave a private business. It's a beautiful thing when we teach our youths they can do whatever and then cry racism for fame.

[noladrew]

hot take right here

You do realize a security guard, if hired by a licensed and insured security firm or company, is well within their rights to physically detain someone until police arrive to make an arrest, right?

[Azadina]

Mentioning hypothetical situations to try to ignore the fact that this kid was caught breaking the law doesn't mean he shouldn't get in trouble for being a pain in the ass.

Which part is hypothetical? I was talking of actual real world scenario that happens all the time in the store near me. Should they all get jailed for being such hardened criminals? They've done hundred times worse than this particular kid in question, the one who entered the place 3 times to somehow warrant multiple felonies. Should the kids and teenagers here get life sentence for their laundry list of "crime"? Public execution perhaps?

[noladrew]

He's fucking 12. Of course he shouldn't get in trouble "for being a pain in the ass". There was no victim. He wasn't hurting anyone or anything, not even financially. I'm seriously dumbfounded by everyone in this thread who thinks this kid should be charged with three fucking felonies. The only "crimes" he's being charged with wouldn't have existed if the cops were never called in the first place.

Being 12 years old isn't excusable for criminal trespassing, sorry. Especially considering his aunt was with him, who made the situation insanely worse by the way. Letting kids get away with random shit like this is what teaches them they can get away with anything. Also, where do you draw the line? Do you think someone that just does whatever they want, regardless of laws or rules, will eventually just start doing the right thing some day? Without facing relevant consequences... It's simple, when you're asked to leave a private establishment, you leave. There should be no questions asked. He was soliciting on private property. Who cares that he was 12. Stop making excuses for anyone, regardless of age, to do dumb shit.

[Dextroden]

He's fucking 12. Of course he shouldn't get in trouble "for being a pain in the ass". There was no victim. He wasn't hurting anyone or anything, not even financially. I'm seriously dumbfounded by everyone in this thread who thinks this kid should be charged with three fucking felonies. The only "crimes" he's being charged with wouldn't have existed if the cops were never called in the first place.

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No one is saying that. But there you go again just generalizing any and everything and claiming people said it.

You should really get a new routine.

Hi, person who whined this wouldn't have happened if he was white, implying white people follow no laws and neither should blacks. What am I saying about you and other "bluh bluh white people" like Pacox that's incorrect?

You say this and everyone can see you racists complaining about white people.

[cparle87]

And what were his parents doing during that time? The kid is 12. You honestly believe he deserves felony charges for a completely victim-less action? What the fuck is wrong with you?

Since you're being deliberately obtuse I will direct you to Mr. Noladrew in post #144, who stated it far more eloquently than I could.

[cparle87]

The point is does a kid selling CD's warrant such a response?

The sure did take a hardened criminal off the streets! Can't believe this kid had the AUDACITY to sell his CDs. NOT IN MY AMERICA! He needs to go back to being inside playing video games all day like other kids, not starting his own business! My God, this kid could have cheated the government out of $0.04 in taxes for all we know. Throw the book at him!

No, but criminal tresspassing by sneaking in three times after being escorted from the premises is. Then he and his aunt exacerbate the situation.

[Dextroden]

How is that implying the bullshit you claim? I'm still waiting for you or anyone else to link me a story similar to a white kid getting arrested.

Because you came in here and starting crying about how white people never get arrested? I'm still waiting for you to explain why black people should be allowed to ignore the law.

[cparle87]

Considering his aunt was with him is exactly why he shouldn't get in trouble. His aunt should. End of story.

You think age should be an irrelevant factor to consider when people dumb shit? I imagine your excuse for saying dumb shit isn't your age.

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You think a 12 year old should have his life ruined for a harmless action.

You're a fucked up individual.

At 12 you're old enough to understand the law. Being taken by the arm, shown to a front door, and told not to come back three separate times, then sneaking back in to keep doing the thing that got you sent out in the first place, shows me one of two things. Either this kid is mentally retarded. Or he thinks he is above the law and can do whatever he wants. If it's the former, it'll be discovered and he'll be sent to a hospital. If it's the latter, he'll be sent to a juvenile facility where he'll hopefully be taught that his actions have consequences.

[noladrew]

Considering his aunt was with him is exactly why he shouldn't get in trouble. His aunt should. End of story.

You think age should be an irrelevant factor to consider when people dumb shit? I imagine your excuse for saying dumb shit isn't your age.

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You think a 12 year old should have his life ruined for a harmless action.

You're a fucked up individual.

I know for a fact that I wasn't breaking the law at 12. I would've gotten my ass beat by my grandfather that raised me had I broken the law. Parents letting kids do whatever the fuck they want is what creates these kinds of problems to begin with. The parents let them do what they want and they expect society as a whole to let them do the same dumb shit as well.

[cparle87]

You think a 12 year old should have his life ruined for a harmless action.

You're a fucked up individual.

“I know that I didn’t do anything wrong,” Jackson said.
He was escorted out by security 3x and kept coming back in. That displays a frightening level of either disrespect for authority, "the law doesn't apply to me", or stupidity.

[cparle87]

You actually believe that most 12 year olds can understand the law? Most fucking adults don't understand the law. Regardless, he's 12. He had a parent or guardian that was responsible for him and his actions. They should have been punished, not him.

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Which is why his parents and/or guardian should be punished. He shouldn't have his life fucked up because he has shit parents.

I'm glad you're using a common example of privilege (more likely to have a stable up/upbringing) as a reason to why you didn't get in trouble like this.

Yeah, he's 12. In 4 years he'll be driving. In 6 years he'll be voting. Being taken by the arm, led to a door, and told not to come back should be well within his realm of understanding. He didn't get it after it happened to him three times.

Also, what is all this crap about his "life being fucked up", you're making this stuff up to try to stir up sympathy for him. Like you said, he's 12. At most he'll get a year or two in juvie to hopefully straighten him out, then once he's 18 his records will be sealed and he can get on with his life. Stop acting like he's already been sentenced to hard time. "His life fucked up", indeed.

[noladrew]

He's 12. How many times do you have to be told this?

How many times do you need people to tell you that we don't think being 12 is excusable for willfully disobeying law and rules?

[PACOX]

No, but criminal tresspassing by sneaking in three times after being escorted from the premises is. Then he and his aunt exacerbate the situation.

There's 1 million ways the adults could have handled it, arresting the kid isn't one of them.

Even though the kid is wrong he isn't hurting anyone and is being productive.