Patch 8.1.5 - Proudmoore Cinematic

[Astalnar]

Traitor. He cares more about the world than the Horde itself. Cairne died for nothing.

[kaltra]

I hope he is kill the traitor.

[bufferunderrun]

That is what is so weird.. Baine is trying to be all buddy buddy with jaina right after she killed Rastakhan and invaded the Zandalari's capital and killed countless civilians? Can he at least pretend to care about the Horde at all? He is ALWAYS prioritizing the alliance's feewings over the Horde.

in that case i don't concur that is what the horde is to begin with, the leaders of the horde always give priority to their race when making choices there is not unity like the alliance that all praise and bow to the high king.
Sylvanas is acting as using the horde for her sake, Baine is acting as preserving the tauren way, Galliwix is in for the money, the horde has always been a sort of military pact if we have to translate it in real life the horde is like the Nato while the alliance is like the USA.
Also what baine did introduce a totally new concept for the undead, first look at derek he is undead but have you seen how similar to nathanos he look? a possible leader for alliance necromancer faction? Undead sub race for alliance?
Also how Jaina gonna get it's undead brother accepted among the alliance that has always been 100% against undead? Would she get into a fight with Gen over her brother?

[Drpizka]

BBQ the traitor

[bowlink]

Chekov's dagger. They couldn't make it more obvious even if they put a red circle around an arrows pointing at it

[MikeBogina]

*Alliance kills Rastakhan*
"I'm here for you Talanji"~Baine
*immediately goes and kills a bunch of horde and delivers Jaina's undead brother to her*

10/10 Writing Blizzard.

It used to be one thing when Horde just got treated like shit, but Blizzard's new strategy is to just turn Horde character's into Alliance pawns and we can't do anything about it. Can't kill them, just gotta sit here and wait for the shitty plot to be over. :/

[Darknessvamp]

Except Anduin had no intention of going after the Horde until they attacked Darkshore and Teldrassil. What danger was she in, exactly? Her actions cost her hundreds of Horde lives, plus an entire capital city and territory.

you do realize that this "ITS WAR" excuse is god damn terrible when its SYLVANAS HERSELF that started it in the first place.

It's like everyone forgets the whole of the Alliance Side of Stormheim's Story is attacking the Horde and trying to hunt and kill Sylvanas before we knew she was planning evil stuff with Helya because Genn believes they betrayed them by sounding a retreat at the Broken Shore and getting Anduin to agree with this plan. Not forgetting Genn hates her anyway cause of everything.

Sky Admiral Rogers says: Stormheim is home to one of the Pillars of Creation - the [Aegis of Aggramar].
Sky Admiral Rogers says: Vrykul legends speak of a trial - to conquer this trial is prove one's worth and lay claim to the Aegis.
Sky Admiral Rogers says: Impressive, aren't they? The new guns could bag a wyvern at full speed from three hundred meters. Go ahead, have a look.
Sky Admiral Rogers says: Our official orders are to escort you to Stormheim and ensure your success on this trial.
Sky Admiral Rogers says: Unofficially, however, we have another mission...
Sky Admiral Rogers says: The 7th Legion. The toughest men and women the Alliance have to offer. They, too, have come on direct orders from the king.
Sky Admiral Rogers says: Three days ago, the Forsaken fleet set sail from Durotar, heading straight for the Broken Isles. We think Sylvanas Windrunner herself may be among them.
Sky Admiral Rogers says: We are to track them from a safe distance. We may engage, but only if the situation demands.
Sky Admiral Rogers says: I strongly suspect the situation will demand it.
Genn Greymane says: It had better.
Genn Greymane says: I am not in the habit of tracking prey unless I intend on killing it.

Please tell me how Sylvanas declared War.

Also don't forget before they changed it, the Alliance attacked Gallywix's miners in Silithius first before the SI:7 agents were found as an act of sabotage and were tasked with gathering Azerite in an attempt to figure out how to use it against the Horde and potentially Orgrimmar. They had to make the Alliance appear less nefarious so they changed it to the agents being discovered first and needing to defend themselves whilst stopping the miners to keep the Azerite out of the Horde's hands and collecting some for themselves so they could figure out what it was and how to fight back against it.

[WhiteUsedSocks]

Undead allied race for the alliance confirmed?

[crusadernero]

There's just a group (generation) out there that would rather be Darth Vader than Luke Skywalker or Han Solo. They are just trying to be edgy and all.

haha yeah maybe, acutally a good point.

[Verdugo]

There's just a group (generation) out there that would rather be Darth Vader than Luke Skywalker or Han Solo. They are just trying to be edgy and all.

Or maybe, the Anduin side is just too sacharine and unlikeable.

[Straamibuu]

I actually really liked that Cinematic, Baine really came across as conflicted but doing something he felt was the right plan even though he knew he might not live through it.

[Otaka]

Jaina and Derek? but... i though it was Jaina and Arthas.

[Soikona]

Traitor. He cares more about the world than the Horde itself. Cairne died for nothing.

But is that not the Tauren way?

[Firedemon]

the leaders of the horde always give priority to their race when making choices there is not unity like the alliance that all praise and bow to the high king.

Tyrande just went out with the elves, on their own to seek vengeance and try to retake darkshore, regardless of what the king wanted.

Also .. should just kill Baine and rez him as undead. First undead tauren. Also this act doesn't even do anything, just screws a little with Sylvanas and creates more hate.

[Bunchie]

Well considering his father faught Garrosh over leadership , and got poisoned, he knows not to confront a tyrant. So he, and hopefully saurfang, will lead a rebellion against the warchief.

She is worse than Garrosh. Garrosh was correct in trying to stop her. She needs to die by the hands of Saurfang so he can be our new warchief. Either that or bring back Vol because it was BS that he was only Warchief for a brief period.

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People probably don't even get the idea that all reborn forsaken or undead are under the control of sylvanus seeimg as she can respectively be seen as a lich queen.

[tankbug]

Tyrande just went out with the elves, on their own to seek vengeance and try to retake darkshore, regardless of what the king wanted.

Also .. should just kill Baine and rez him as undead. First undead tauren. Also this act doesn't even do anything, just screws a little with Sylvanas and creates more hate.

Well, Trag Highmountain was earlier. Not sure if there are any other NPCs.

[ashblond]

Sylvanas must die. She has no redemption value at this stage already.

[Lac]

I mean, where was this when she burned Teldrassil, a World Tree? He's going to talk about the Earthmother weeping, but not bat an eye when the world is literally being blown up?

FYI, Sylvanas sent the Tauren to Silithus to assist the Earthern Ring before she set out for Teldrassil. She purposely sent them away because she knew Baine would not go along with her plans. That's why there are no Tauren there and why Baine couldn't have stopped it.

[Raetary]

It's like everyone forgets the whole of the Alliance Side of Stormheim's Story is attacking the Horde and trying to hunt and kill Sylvanas before we knew she was planning evil stuff with Helya because Genn believes they betrayed them by sounding a retreat at the Broken Shore and getting Anduin to agree with this plan. Not forgetting Genn hates her anyway cause of everything.

im not forgetting anything.
im usually the one to point this exact thing out when people piss on sylvanas in the stormheim story.

however sylvanas never uses it as a reason for her warfare and no one else does either.
that story point literally just happened and has been forgotten right after, never to return again.

Please tell me how Sylvanas declared War.

by marching into night elven, meaning alliance, lands and wreaking havoc to the point of attempting genocide.
how exactly is that NOT a war declaration?

[Hyral]

Also how Jaina gonna get it's undead brother accepted among the alliance that has always been 100% against undead? Would she get into a fight with Gen over her brother?

As per Before the Storm the Alliance isn't 100% against undead, only against those who want to end all life. So against sylvanas and her scourge. And in that same book Genn also admits sylvanas is not the entire forsaken and they are people just like any other and he was too judgmental. There shouldn't be any major problems really. Family is family. And while Jaina didn't understand that as a child she definitely does now.