Who is the rightful queen of Lordaeron and its people?

[Jekyll]

Sylvanas Windrunner or Calia Menethil?

[Aucald]

Neither would be the "rightful" queen as neither individual has a claim on the kingdom that would be inline with rightfulness. Calia abdicated her throne for a long time, and her people (now the Forsaken) do not desire her to rule them. Sylvanas has no bloodline claim to the throne, either; though she does have the mandate of the people who now inhabit the region in the wake of the Third War. Sylvanas' claim is the stronger of the two, but neither claim would be rightful.

[ls-]

Right now? Anduin :V

There's such a thing like right of conquest, it nullifies all previously established lines of succession. When the Scourge overtook it, Calia and Menethils in general lost their claim for its throne. The only way she can get it back is to conquer it herself, or get it conquered by someone else and presented it to her.

But right now, Anduin is its rightful owner, however, realistically Lordaeron is a no man's land.

[Linkedblade]

Neither? They are both not human. Mind me: I could be wrong and Calia may be able to have an heir. Otherwise her line is done. Then it moves back to if Terenas had any siblings and if any of them are alive. My guess is that most of the Lordaeronian nobility is dead and that royal family has ended. There may be some citizen of Stormwind that was a refugee that has Noble ties.

But the undead have no claim to it. The are no longer human when resurrected.

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Right now? Anduin :V

There's such a thing like right of conquest, it nullifies all previously established lines of succession. When the Scourge overtook it, Calia and Menethils in general lost their claim for its throne. The only way she can get it back is to conquer it herself, or get it conquered by someone else and presented it to her.

But right now, Anduin is its rightful owner, however, realistically Lordaeron is a no man's land.

Well, that's usually why wars are fault. Anduin reconquered that land and may want to return it to its Noble family.

But as you say it's a blight barrened wasteland.

[hattahat]

the ruler without people is not the ruler. So for now, sylvanas

[Minikin]

Sylvanas Windrunner or Calia Menethil?

calia renounced her claim, then tried to get it back and got shot for it.

sylvanas conquered it and the people follow her (For now?)

id say sylvanas because right of conquest is far better than the claim of someone who USED to be in line for it, not to mention gave it up too (but given how things are going this might change).

edit: how come no basic campfire option? we trying to have a legitimate poll in mmo champ? this website has a reputation to uphold

[ls-]

calia renounced her claim, then tried to get it back and got shot for it.

sylvanas conquered it and the people follow her (For now?)

id say sylvanas because right of conquest is far better than the claim of someone who USED to be in line for it, not to mention gave it up too (but given how things are going this might change).

edit: how come no basic campfire option? we trying to have a legitimate poll in mmo champ? this website has a reputation to uphold

TBF, we don't even know if the kingdom of Lordaeron when Terenas was still alive even accepted females as rightful leaders. For all we know, there might be a chance that only males were legitimate heirs to the throne, I mean, that's the case IRL in many countries, so Calia would also have to resort to the conquest option if she wanted it for herself

[Minikin]

TBF, we don't even know if the kingdom of Lordaeron when Terenas was still alive even accepted females as rightful leaders. For all we know, there might be a chance that only males were legitimate heirs to the throne, I mean, that's the case IRL in many countries, so Calia would also have to resort to the conquest option if she wanted it for herself

either case, her claim seems slim. yet given how the story is proceeding who knows.

[In Ogres We Trust]

Sylvanas Windrunner or Calia Menethil?

Well, since they butchered her character with a pointless revival and death, no one (just let the kingdom rot).

[Melsiren]

Might makes right.

Have enough power to hold the land is all that really matters.

[Irian]

Despite really not caring for Sylvanas, I have to say her. She took an abandoned Legion and Scourge-infested shithole of a ruin and made it into a city, and gave the "survivors" of Lordaeron a home. Calia didn't have the will or even desire to do the same.

That being said, the Alliance currently lays claim to Tirisfal even if Undercity itself is blighted, so if anyone it would be Anduin.

[Felixon]

Sylvanas Windrunner or Calia Menethil?

You mean Lordaeron as a kingdom of Lordaeron or Lordaeron as a territory? If you mean kingdom,then I would say none - cause it ceased to exist with the death of Terenas Menethil II. All that we had afterwards was a war amongst different factions for the ruins of a once powerful kingdom.

[Trbn]

lordaeron doesn't exist

sylvanas founded her own kingdom of the forsaken

calia can fuck off

[LazarusLong]

Neither would be the "rightful" queen as neither individual has a claim on the kingdom that would be in line with rightfulness. Calia abdicated her throne for a long time, and her people (now the Forsaken) do not desire her to rule them. Sylvanas has no bloodline claim to the throne, either; though she does have the mandate of the people who now inhabit the region in the wake of the Third War. Sylvanas' claim is the stronger of the two, but neither claim would be rightful.

Very much this. I'm pretty sure though there few nobles out there who can claim the throne lineage.

[Dellis0991]

If Sylvanas didn't blight the hell out of it and run it would be Anduin's by conquest. Calia gave up her right openly and willingly.

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lordaeron doesn't exist

sylvanas founded her own kingdom of the forsaken

calia can fuck off

Calia has repeatly renounced her claim....she does not want it.

[MikeBogina]

Sylvanas by right of conquest or liberation, however you look at the current populace.


Arthas was the rightful heir, but he killed his father and named himself king and turned the kingdom over to the Scourge. Legion took the city and then Sylvanas took it from them. Then there's also the fact that it's not the same kingdom, Sylvanas and her people aren't the Kingdom of Lordaeron, but the Forsaken, which Calia has zero rights to rule over. Calia has less rights to Lordaeron, than Daenerys does of King's Landing

But then Anduin I guess technically has it. Haven't paid attention to the mission table lore(worst place to put the lore) but I guess the Alliance occupies the region.

[trophyscars]

a claim doesn't mean anything if you have no one to back you up. calia ain't shit. it belonged to sylvanas, then she turned it into a toxic blob.

so right now... nobody.

[Verdugo]

Alliance has firm control of Lordaeron and is pushing into Silverpine (Fenris Keep was first in the hands of Forsaken but Alliance flipped it). Hillsbrad is still largely in the hands of the Forsaken though the Alliance is making gains. The Alliance seems to control access to the Plaguelands so even if they are not in their control, they are clearly not in Forsaken control. Alterac which I assume was a Lordaeron protectorate after the second war seems to be under Forsaken control with them fortifying Alterac City and controlling Strahnband. Gilneas and Arathor are separate kingdoms but both seem to be under Alliance control.

So I'd say Alliance holds slightly more of the land than the Forsaken but it's not decided.

If your source is the mission table, then I have to dissapoint you since the entire thing was made by an intern and is discredited by everything shown in the game.

[Verdugo]

The by that logic, all of Lordaeron belongs to the Alliance since in the in game features we see it turn blue.

Can we just agree that everything shown to us is bullshit?

[Super Dickmann]

The by that logic, all of Lordaeron belongs to the Alliance since in the in game features we see it turn blue.

On the contrary, if we follow the in-game version without the table missions, the Alliance bailed from there after the city got blown up and skellies patrol the blighted remnants ensuring no one else gets it.

Also, Calia a shit. The unnamed Forsaken state has some of the same people in it and similar territorial claims, but it's at best a successor state to the Kingdom of Lordaeron, not the same thing.