6 People shot at a mosque in New Zealand

[Chinese Bootlickers]

Especially considering the shooter explicitly stated wanting this.

I hear a lot of fiddles being played.

[Fincayra]

It's hard because you can say that most of the targets have been in areas with very strict gun laws and gun-free zones. I know not all occur in gun-free zones, but the vast majority do and of course it's because they are soft targets.

Frankly, I think if we really really cared about stopping mass shootings we'd not announce the identities and release pictures of the people who commit these acts. We do know that psychopaths committing mass murder are often times seeking to become infamous and it emboldens others to "get their name out there".

Although i9erek is going way too far in thinking arming everyone would be better than regulations and such.

problem is in the US, we are guaranteed the right to a speedy and public trial. Public trial includes releasing the name of suspects. We do glorify the accused too much in this country. Look at the yearly interviews of Charlie Manson for starters.

I agree for the most part. If you don't embrace your right to conceal and carry, you are surrendering your life to whoever else around you is carrying if shit hits the fan. But, that situation shouldn't ever happen to begin with. You shouldn't ever fear for your life from a mass shooter situation EVER. I haven't the faintest idea how to guarantee that from happening though.

[Theodarzna]

With the full recap of what set this guy off specifically. I am more surprised this guy is one of the few instances of this happening. What was the last big attack? Quebec or whatever where some guy decided to off some people in a mosque?

[Hightotemz]

I honestly thought something like this would eventually happen in Europe because of what's happened in the past. It's very unfair on NZ as a country as nothing has occurred there before. Don't get me wrong it's disgusting wherever this type of thing occurs but I could understand it happening in Europe.

The other consequence of this fools action is it gives extremists on the other side to do the same again and the families and friends of the people killed could become future extremists, if a retaliation event occurs then i expect this occur from both extremist sides more often.

[Theodarzna]

I honestly thought something like this would eventually happen in Europe because of what's happened in the past. It's very unfair on NZ as a country as nothing has occurred there before. Don't get me wrong it's disgusting wherever this type of thing occurs but I could understand it happening in Europe.

The other consequence of this fools action is it gives extremists on the other side to do the same again and the families and friends of the people killed could become future extremists if a retaliation event occurs then i expect this occur from both extremist sides more often.

Given what set this guy off was ultimately the image of a dead white child, killed in one of the litanies of Islamic attacks in Europe, as well as some other reasons, but his focus on that corpse image he likely saw on 8chan, and how easy it is to get the footage and images from these events, the fact that he is the first in a good long while is a testament to how peaceful people are.

The fact that he is the first to say "I want to take revenge" is rather incredible.

[NED funded]

It's not okay to be white?

If that is what you want to believe go ahead.

[Malaky]

If that is what you want to believe go ahead.

I believe it's okay to be whatever you were born as, yes. You don't?

[Flarelaine]

It's urban vs rural.

Much of the political divide is.

[Fincayra]

Dear everyone who says this guy is left wing:

Being a white supremacist doesn't mean you have to have conservative politics. It also doesn't mean that either political party in America gets to adopt the tragedy as a product of their side. I feel like people are using this as a "look, he was a lefty, that means all lefties believe X!". The arguments on random pages in this thread make me shake my head. The fact that it's at 102 pages is interesting, but mostly because it's people arguing about white supremacy. ALL forms of racial supremacy are vile.

Not at all. It's surprising that this is all it took to trigger this guy. The west has invaded and colonized the middle east for decades and they slaughtered them in the millions overall while culling countless rebels during their rule. It took all of that to allow ISIS and Al Qaeda to push their recruitment and they only succeeded because they are heavily funded in a war torn country: Afghanistan and Iraq which the US either funded (Taliban) or invaded (Iraq). It's quite shocking to see that a couple of terrorist attacks was enough to trigger some white nazi when millions of Muslims endured slaughtering between North Africa and the middle east during the colonization age, and from Iraq blockage and further invasion ... Even with all that, it required a full time organization to recruit and brainwash people into terrorism while this guy living in a decent country just gets triggered by himself over few immigrants and some terror attacks that overall account to a doomed flight while Muslims endured like 10000x those casualties by the hand of western nations and that's beside that non-human casualties like destroying cities, economies or completely throwing countries into chaos. I don't think anyone would have that much patience and tolerance as Muslims when taking into consideration the atrocities they endured and your logic to what accounts for a "good excuse" for terror.

Congratulations. This might be the best post I've ever read on this website.

[Eldar45]

Dear everyone who says this guy is left wing:

This video, what little I watched of it cause it's kind of terrible in a cringy way, should be about how to recognize a Neo-Nazi. Fascism is a form of government that is centered around a totalitarian, usually tyrannical, leader that heavily regiments its society and has a focus on extreme nationalism and loyalty to the state above all other things.

This can be combined, and often is, with national socialism where the state takes some amount of control over the means of production for the betterment of the state.

Combine this with extreme ethnic nationalism, and you are left with Nazis.

Mussolini was mostly the first part. Totalitarian, ultra-nationalist dictator. His views on race flip-flopped from at one point declaring that the "White race is in danger" to saying "Race is a feeling, not a reality".

Mussolini, on a left-right spectrum, was definitely more right than left when he ruled Italy. He didn't jump down the national socialist route. As he said himself, he was more of a corporatist.

Adolf Hitler was far, far more left than Mussolini. Hitler hated the entire idea of capitalism because it didn't benefit the "Aryan race", and he hated socialism because it didn't benefit the nation. He was somewhere in the middle (or almost outside the entire spectrum with his beliefs). Definitely farther left, economically, than 90% of American conservatives.

Even Joseph Stalin would be considered a Fascist. He promoted extreme nationalism, promoted regimentation of society, promoted loyalty to the state, and he was a totalitarian dictator.



The guy in Christchurch is nothing more than a brownshirt thug, not a right winger as he hates capitalism (As per the guy's manifesto) and not really a leftist as he doesn't seem fond of socialism either. He seems to be more like Hitler than any of the other actual fascists.

In fact, I'd say that from what I can tell the man seems to be trying to turn everyone against each other, much like Vladimir Putin. This man was a psychopath, but lets not go labeling him and saying "This side is to blame!".

[Puupi]

This video, what little I watched of it cause it's kind of terrible in a cringy way, should be about how to recognize a Neo-Nazi. Fascism is a form of government that is centered around a totalitarian, usually tyrannical, leader that heavily regiments its society and has a focus on extreme nationalism and loyalty to the state above all other things.

This can be combined, and often is, with national socialism where the state takes some amount of control over the means of production for the betterment of the state.

Combine this with extreme ethnic nationalism, and you are left with Nazis.

Mussolini was mostly the first part. Totalitarian, ultra-nationalist dictator. His views on race flip-flopped from at one point declaring that the "White race is in danger" to saying "Race is a feeling, not a reality".

Mussolini, on a left-right spectrum, was definitely more right than left when he ruled Italy. He didn't jump down the national socialist route. As he said himself, he was more of a corporatist.

Adolf Hitler was far, far more left than Mussolini. Hitler hated the entire idea of capitalism because it didn't benefit the "Aryan race", and he hated socialism because it didn't benefit the nation. He was somewhere in the middle (or almost outside the entire spectrum with his beliefs). Definitely farther left, economically, than 90% of American conservatives.

Even Joseph Stalin would be considered a Fascist. He promoted extreme nationalism, promoted regimentation of society, promoted loyalty to the state, and he was a totalitarian dictator.



The guy in Christchurch is nothing more than a brownshirt thug, not a right winger as he hates capitalism (As per the guy's manifesto) and not really a leftist as he doesn't seem fond of socialism either. He seems to be more like Hitler than any of the other actual fascists.

In fact, I'd say that from what I can tell the man seems to be trying to turn everyone against each other, much like Vladimir Putin. This man was a psychopath, but lets not go labeling him and saying "This side is to blame!".

Yay +1 for a person who actually understands this subject and can talk about it neutrally.

Yeh, the shooter was basically a beefsteak nazi.

[Eldar45]

Yay +1 for a person who actually understands this subject and can talk about it neutrally.

Yeh, the shooter was basically a beefsteak nazi.

Beefsteak Nazi. Not a term you hear everyday.

Brown on the outside, red on the inside.

[Fincayra]

There is no neutral in politics. You'd have to be outside of our political system and society in order to achieve that

Only a sith deals in absolutes.

[Senphiroth1134]

I just saw this, really just incredibly sad at this point....

What's really starting to get to me is the high number of fatalities in all of these things... it feels like gone are the days where it would last be a few injuries etc...

Now it almost always feels like 12-13 deaths or something insane like 50 or whatever horrible thing and it's all just terrible....

It's also crazy it happened in New Zealand... my mom had just gone like 2 years ago to Hobbiton and described it all as the nicest place ever.. plus
I was actually just starting to watch some LOTR myself maybe even a week or so ago...

Er not that LOTR is New Zealand technically but we all know the famous movies were filmed there...

Well the good thing is not everything I show interest in has bad things... WoW fan for decades now and lets hope nothing like that ever happens well ever again really,
I think like I've been saying video games issues were mainly in the 80s/90s when people thjoughbt it was the occult or something but nowadays it has a much better
image and that makes me optimistic even when horrible things like just happened happened.

I mean honestly back in the day you would see negativity online in the video game community and stuff... such as with Everquest and other games and kinda the nerd/jock thing.

But no one ever shot anyone, so I feel like as long as we can keep making progress and stuff like I said hopefully nothing like that happens. It's often about cokmmunication I think
and just making sure you know who you are talking to and what is most appropriate and so on...

At worst, if it's just communication then you will be on bad terms... and then you can try and amend and bring yourself back up to pa the best part.

I think the USA in general has the advantage in this regard... it doesn't mean it's impervious to bad things happen but there'a s ense we're all accountable to each other
and know each other in some way and that kind of thing has it's own unique power in a bad time like this I think.

[hellhamster]

No it’s not. It’s not ok to hate on other people even if it’s a personal opinion. Hate breeds violence naturally.

Yes let's go the 1984 route, control independent thoughts until everything fits one narrative, that's clearly the way to go.

[Azadina]

As if the terrorist act wasn't sick and disgusting enough, we have yet again another thread full of the usual forum alt righters doing rounds of terrorist apologism. All of who has done it in any form: You are absolutely sick and mentally disturbed individuals, and I sure as hell hope you're all placed on watchlists before any other innocents die.

Same goes to those who went and watched the video that apparently exists, after knowing there is such, and what will be on it. Some of the comments describing it already made me sick, what the hell is wrong with you who went to watch it? Get your heads checked. Christ.

[Mighty Tim]

As if the terrorist act wasn't sick and disgusting enough, we have yet again another thread full of the usual forum alt righters doing rounds of terrorist apologism. All of who has done it in any form: You are absolutely sick and mentally disturbed individuals, and I sure as hell hope you're all placed on watchlists before any other innocents die.

Same goes to those who went and watched the video that apparently exists, after knowing there is such, and what will be on it. Some of the comments describing it already made me sick, what the hell is wrong with you who went to watch it? Get your heads checked. Christ.

You know that is rather bigoted of you. People who desire a ethno state commit violence at a rate so insignificant that it isn't worth worrying about you are far more likely to die to drunk driver or a heart attack. The real victims of the attack are going to be all the innocent ethno nationalist who are just trying to go about their lives in peace.

See how annoying statements like these are when you don't drink the cool aid?

[Malaky]

As if the terrorist act wasn't sick and disgusting enough, we have yet again another thread full of the usual forum alt righters doing rounds of terrorist apologism. All of who has done it in any form: You are absolutely sick and mentally disturbed individuals, and I sure as hell hope you're all placed on watchlists before any other innocents die.

Same goes to those who went and watched the video that apparently exists, after knowing there is such, and what will be on it. Some of the comments describing it already made me sick, what the hell is wrong with you who went to watch it? Get your heads checked. Christ.

Maybe you should live less off emotions and more out of reason. Just saying. There's nothing wrong in decrying the man's manifesto as something out of a psychopath who wanted to pit everyone against the other equally. Nothing wrong in inviting and calling for calm, union and not hate and division.
And no, that's not "terrorism apologism".

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They dont care. They are devoid of empathy.

What empathy does Islam show towards gay men and women? Just curious, enlighten me.

[Mighty Tim]

I said people should be held accountable for what they say on the internet from the public. You should expect a lot of backlash as a reaction for hating other people. The law now intervenes when people threatens other people. You are allowed free speech within the confines of the law & human decency.

I don't think that is a good idea. People need a place to vent and be assholes otherwise they just do it in public.

[Azadina]

You know that is rather bigoted of you. People who desire a ethno state commit violence at a rate so insignificant that it isn't worth worrying about you are far more likely to die to drunk driver or a heart attack. The real victims of the attack are going to be all the innocent ethno nationalist who are just trying to go about their lives in peace.

See how annoying statements like these are when you don't drink the cool aid?

Maybe you should live less off emotions and more out of reason. Just saying. There's nothing wrong in decrying the man's manifesto as something out of a psychopath who wanted to pit everyone against the other equally. Nothing wrong in inviting and calling for calm, union and not hate and division.
And no, that's not "terrorism apologism".

Looks like you two found yourselves from what I wrote, since you immediately jumped in with bullshit deflections.