Anthem: Bioware's next Mass Effect-like IP

[Jtbrig7390]

That's the usual cop out, I'm not sure why people seem to think that matters.

It matters because you don't have to pay your way in to play.

With a F2P title you can pop in and out as you see fit without any investment. With a game like Destiny or in this case Anthem you have to drop $60 and you expect a certain amount of value out of that $60.

Not hard to understand why it matters.

[Tech614]

That's the usual cop out, I'm not sure why people seem to think that matters.

It absolutely matters. PoE and Warframe are F2P games with a F2P model.

And you're trying to compare them to B2P games that want to have their cake and eat it too and also have a F2P model.

The fact you don't get this is puzzling.

[Baconeggcheese]

That's the usual "cop out" because it's true, and you know exactly why it matters, it's not rocket science.

I honestly don't, as far as I'm concerned its just a way to demo the game for free. It doesn't excuse that a game like Warframe took 6 years for it to become worth playing to some people while still being riddled with the same issues that people hold against the B2P titles. It doesn't excuse that the MTX costs in a game like PoE are disgustingly expensive for things you're going to want which will easily dwarf the up to 60$ (if you don't want to wait for a sale like I usually do for most games) entrance fee.

My time is easily my most valuable currency, so if a games going to be worth playing its going to be worth playing.

[RobertoCarlos]

I honestly don't, as far as I'm concerned its just a way to demo the game for free. It doesn't excuse that a game like Warframe took 6 years for it to become worth playing to some people while still being riddled with the same issues that people hold against the B2P titles. It doesn't excuse that the MTX costs in a game like PoE are disgustingly expensive for things you're going to want which will easily dwarf the up to 60$ (if you don't want to wait for a sale like I usually do for most games) entrance fee.

My time is easily my most valuable currency, so if a games going to be worth playing its going to be worth playing.

People sink hundreds of hours into POE before needing the only really "required" purchase being tab space. And trust me, its far lower than $60. So dont hyperbole on top of your subjective opinion you are treating as fact.

[Ophenia]

Thing is Warframe & PoH don't cost 60€ =/

Neither does Anthem, I'm pretty sure you're well aware of that Origin stuff.
That's a 15 dollar game, as it is being repeated over and over by the two spammers on this topic since the 40th page.

And are you seriously trying to tell us that if Anthem was F2P with 50 dollars cosmetics, everyone here would praise this game ? Pretty sure it wouldn't be the case.

But somehow, comparing 1-month Anthem with 6-years Warframe or VERSION TWO Destiny / Division is normal on MMO-C.

[Puupi]

Neither does Anthem, I'm pretty sure you're well aware of that Origin stuff.
That's a 15 dollar game, as it is being repeated over and over by the two spammers on this topic since the 40th page.

And are you seriously trying to tell us that if Anthem was F2P with 50 dollars cosmetics, everyone here would praise this game ? Pretty sure it wouldn't be the case.

Anthem could be totally free and people wouldn't praise it, because - surprise - it's a shit game. The price is irrelevant. The 60 dollar tag on it just takes it from a bad game to a joke.

But somehow, comparing 1-month Anthem with 6-years Warframe or VERSION TWO Destiny / Division is normal on MMO-C.

Of course it is. This is the real world not the special olympics where everyone is given some arbitrary handicap. Those are the products, in their current status​, Anthem competes with, right from day 1.

[stellvia]

But somehow, comparing 1-month Anthem with 6-years Warframe or VERSION TWO Destiny / Division is normal on MMO-C.

Considering development of TD1 began AFTER Anthem, I'd say it is a fair comparison of their merits to look at what each franchise has done in 6 years...

[Dhrizzle]

One thing I feel is a huge missed opportunity for Anthem is that they tried to force guns into the mold when they very clearly shouldn't have forced guns on all 4 Javs. All of them are so incredibly unique and different, IMO they easily could have made them proper classes and given them their own unique weapons like Colossus got.

Colossus -> Heavy artillery
Storm -> Magic elemental pew pew
Ranger -> Gun specialist
Interceptor -> Melee weapon specialist ninja

They all already are these things, but then they have this forced overlap via the guns for no apparent reason. This means the guns masterwork affixes have to be designed in way less interesting ways that all 4 Javs can technically benefit from even though all 4 Javs don't necessarily benefit from +% damage when hovering or dashing 3 times increases damage bonuses the same.

On my interceptor my main gun is only used to proc the 110% melee damage buff, I never actually shoot it for its own damage. My second gun is a crappy legendary (procs a combo when reloading one) that happened to roll with +80% max shields and armor and some other minorly useful stuff so I just use it for some tankiness. I spend all of my time dumping abilities and meleeing, so the games guns are completely irrelevant to me.

At least until I get a good legendary with ridiculous inscriptions. Games just not about guns.

What content are you doing and what level is your Javelin? My Interceptor is mostly MW with a couple of Legendaries and gets absolutely shredded in GM2 Strongholds if I don't pick my fights carefully, I wouldn't even dream about going toe-to-toe with bigger enemies like Enforcers or Luminaries.

[Ophenia]

Got it - so we're praising unambitious franchises that unsurprisingly succeed.

Seems like y'all have trouble with links, so it's here you're supposed to go : https://www.mmo-champion.com/threads...The-Division-2

What content are you doing and what level is your Javelin? My Interceptor is mostly MW with a couple of Legendaries and gets absolutely shredded in GM2 Strongholds if I don't pick my fights carefully, I wouldn't even dream about going toe-to-toe with bigger enemies like Enforcers or Luminaries.

Never played an interceptor but I guess that also heavily depends on your team comp.

Also, the defensive stats' difference between "offensive" and "defensive" components is really important

Edit: Wow, just rolled an Emergency Power masterworks (augments javelin Ultimate gear and increases damage by 30% of base damage) with +55% Ultimate Damage on Inscriptions...

[Eleccybubb]

People sink hundreds of hours into POE before needing the only really "required" purchase being tab space. And trust me, its far lower than $60. So dont hyperbole on top of your subjective opinion you are treating as fact.

I mean all people are really doing here is deflection. Bringing up other games and trying to paint them in a bad light to make Anthem appear better.

A game is good or bad on it's own merits. Simple as that. And Anthem is a bad game on it's own merits. So what if there are games that possibly do worse? That doesn't suddenly excuse one game being bad just because there are worse games out there.

[Ophenia]

I mean all people are really doing here is deflection. Bringing up other games and trying to paint them in a bad light to make Anthem appear better.

A game is good or bad on it's own merits. Simple as that. And Anthem is a bad game on it's own merits. So what if there are games that possibly do worse? That doesn't suddenly excuse one game being bad just because there are worse games out there.

Aren't you the one bringing The Division or Destiny every two posts ?

You're the only dumb fuck here doing "deflection".
The best part is that you're still shitting on the game even after admitting you didn't play it until a few days ago when someone lended you his account, despite you shitting on the game since a few months. Typical 2018-2019 "gamer", relying on youtubers/reddit/whatever as you're not able to form your own opinion on anything.

[Puzzony]

I have played it for a hundred hours, and apart from the action controls, the whole game is a dumpster fire. The whole power system in the game is fundamentally broken, the devs themselves had to admit it yesterday.

[Jtbrig7390]

I mean all people are really doing here is deflection. Bringing up other games and trying to paint them in a bad light to make Anthem appear better.

A game is good or bad on it's own merits. Simple as that. And Anthem is a bad game on it's own merits. So what if there are games that possibly do worse? That doesn't suddenly excuse one game being bad just because there are worse games out there.

I said it earlier in the thread and ill say it here, like usual History repeats itself.

The honey moon phase has wore off and people are seeing how broken and rushed the game was/is. Such a shame too because once again it has the makings of a really cool Sci-fi game, Just like another game we know.

Rush a game out and expect shit to just be a mess.

[Sixnalia]

What content are you doing and what level is your Javelin? My Interceptor is mostly MW with a couple of Legendaries and gets absolutely shredded in GM2 Strongholds if I don't pick my fights carefully, I wouldn't even dream about going toe-to-toe with bigger enemies like Enforcers or Luminaries.

I use a legendary radiant fortress.
Mw detonating strike
Mw spark dash
Using 1 lightning, 1 melee, and 1 armor consumable.
I have 85% armor in affixes as well. And 60% shield.

I'm able to skirmish pretty easily in GM2.
Getting kills is pretty reliable too.
Want to switch out spark dash when I get better rolls.

[Baconeggcheese]

By the by for people who actually play the game in this thread, some random reddit poster claimed that depending on how the algorithm works its actually really bad to go to 90+% luck and you should max go to 89% otherwise it screws your luck chance.

I've seen nothing backing this up, but we know there's no reason to go above 90 so staying below it shouldn't be a huge issue just for superstitions sake.

What content are you doing and what level is your Javelin? My Interceptor is mostly MW with a couple of Legendaries and gets absolutely shredded in GM2 Strongholds if I don't pick my fights carefully, I wouldn't even dream about going toe-to-toe with bigger enemies like Enforcers or Luminaries.

Lil bit of everything, currently playing on GM2 for the increased drop rate. I have 2 legendary components and 1 crappy weapon.

I'm using one of the ultimate universal component that gives you your ult when you're critical, between that and normal ult charge I pretty much just use my ult every time I'm in a pinch and otherwise am zooming around killing things. As long as I don't get 1shot I'm mostly fine, though I still die sometimes.

I said it earlier in the thread and ill say it here, like usual History repeats itself.

The honey moon phase has wore off and people are seeing how broken and rushed the game was/is. Such a shame too because once again it has the makings of a really cool Sci-fi game, Just like another game we know.

Rush a game out and expect shit to just be a mess.

Considering how much I saw people shitting on this game long before anyone ever touched it I'm not sure what honeymoon phase were talking about. The announcement maybe?

I don't really get what the shame is unless the plug gets pulled on it, because if people are willing to forgive all the other games shit state at launch, then I don't see why they won't be saying the same shit for this game once its finally in a "finished" state when the next new IP launches in a shit state and has to compete with Anthem with years of post-launch development.

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I use a legendary radiant fortress.
Mw detonating strike
Mw spark dash
Using 1 lightning, 1 melee, and 1 armor consumable.
I have 85% armor in affixes as well. And 60% shield.

I'm able to skirmish pretty easily in GM2.
Getting kills is pretty reliable too.
Want to switch out spark dash when I get better rolls.

I was running spark dash with an extra charge and just zooming around everywhere for a while but since they changed the scaling on melee and procs its just too weak to compete with me just straight up meleeing. The lightning proc on melee component does more damage than it. Its just for the mobility at that point, and I felt better served just running the usual poison bomb + tempest strike combo even if the poison bomb didn't have anything special rolled on it.

Spark dash is also a really unpolished ability, so while I did like basically being able to teleport to mobs, I didn't like dealing with all the camera issues I'd get or it not connecting.

Oh I forgot I never use consumables either. Not really an intentional thing, I just never think about them and don't feel like they're needed at this point. I should probably try to remember.

[Kronik85]

I'd like to be playing today but I'm getting a strange kind of lag whereby guns work fine but getting out my shield/dropping my shield or using melee has a massive delay (like 5-10 secs) so that's that I guess.

[Eleccybubb]

I said it earlier in the thread and ill say it here, like usual History repeats itself.

The honey moon phase has wore off and people are seeing how broken and rushed the game was/is. Such a shame too because once again it has the makings of a really cool Sci-fi game, Just like another game we know.

Rush a game out and expect shit to just be a mess.

Exactly. It had potential. Had being key word in it all.

My main issue was the trust in the EA/Bioware side. And it seems that my distrust in them was well placed. They failed to push out another product that represents the quality of a AAA developer. And if they do that with Dragon Age 4 then Bioware will be shut down. Simple as that really.

I'd have to say this is one of the shortest honeymoon periods I've seen in a game though.

But yeah I'll say it again. A game is bad on it's own merits. Not another game. Bubsy 3D for example is one of the most reviled games out there. Does that suddenly make the likes of Big Rigs, Desert Bus and Superman 64 good? Not at all. People just need to stop with these godawful deflections of "Oh this game is bad so it's ok if Anthem has issues". Because it's not.

It's a damn shame though. Still looking for a decent Sci-Fi themed game and can't find one.

[Ophenia]

By the by for people who actually play the game in this thread, some random reddit poster claimed that depending on how the algorithm works its actually really bad to go to 90+% luck and you should max go to 89% otherwise it screws your luck chance.

Well, one developer said that it worked with thresholds. So basically 89% max would be 80-89%...

I have 93% right now and I indeed noticed an overall increase in high loots. But that's probably more a feeling, I haven't done enough content with this luck to have a real result so far.

[Sixnalia]

Oh I forgot I never use consumables either. Not really an intentional thing, I just never think about them and don't feel like they're needed at this point. I should probably try to remember.

They make a very noticeable difference when you stack it.
For my Storm who uses two lightning abilities. I use the uncommon, rare, and epic consumables for lightning damage.
Which leads to a 60% lightning damage bonus(and the other effects)
Have my rifle for lightning procs too. Works wonders.

[Baconeggcheese]

Well, one developer said that it worked with thresholds. So basically 89% max would be 80-89%...

I have 93% right now and I indeed noticed an overall increase in high loots. But that's probably more a feeling, I haven't done enough content with this luck to have a real result so far.

The dude was saying with how the algorithm works you actually get negative luck past 90% and are better off having none than 90% exactly or something to that effect. You supposedly never want to go above 89%, but I have no idea where he's getting his information.

Here's the thread, I read it last night so I forget half of what was said already.
https://www.reddit.com/r/AnthemTheGa...ulations_luck/

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They make a very noticeable difference when you stack it.
For my Storm who uses two lightning abilities. I use the uncommon, rare, and epic consumables for lightning damage.
Which leads to a 60% lightning damage bonus(and the other effects)
Have my rifle for lightning procs too. Works wonders.

Yeah they're huge bonuses, I just never feel the need to go through the hassle of making and using them. While leveling up I wasn't going to bother, and it just never comes to mind. I completely forgot about them until I read your post.

I only ever really feel the need when doing truly challenging content, but so far there's no reason to push anything. Would be more efficient if I was grinding, but I'm not doing that either.