Man opens fire on Dutch tram, several hurt

[Cizr]

Or morons who try to compare Switzerland to US just because guns are available in both countries? Completely ignoring the strict checks and training you have to go through to have a gun in Switzerland. Gun owners need to receive individual permits to own guns and they are regularly denied based on the background checks alone.

Just to mention it is quite pathetic that the only example close to US you can give is Switzerland and they have 0.25 guns per capita while use has 1.. Yes 25% amount of guns compared to US with much stricter requirements to buy guns would be a dream come true for any liberal in US right now.

Im comparing Netherlands and Switzerland. Or France and Switzerland.

Shootings happened in Netherland and France but not in Switzerland. Why?

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Not really going to work at all because criminals find guns when they want them. That includes semi-rifles. You orgasm so much over "socialist" policies and completely ignore what's going on in the immigrant areas of Sweden and Germany.

Wait are you suggesting that criminals dont care about laws? But strict gun laws didnt count with this!

[Mteq]

possible shots fired on multiple locations and no perp caught yet.

no news on fatalities, but at least 1 body covered with a white sheet according to local news.

[Fojos]

importing illegal fire arms difficult.

Not really. Harder than in the middle of Europe, sure, but still not difficult. People really overestimate how much they check ships and containers.

[yetgdhfgh]

BBC reports 1 fatality

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-47611811

[Flarelaine]

No, gun laws are not strict in Switzerland. Get updated with the world.

The Swiss do not equate the right to own guns with the right to use them at whim.

[Coolthulhu]

Guns are not guns, either. Lots of guns in Norway, but they are "all" low-capacity magazine shotguns or hunting rifles. Not the most practical weapons to carry when you're gonna kill some rival gang members or get to a highly populated area without getting stopped.

Well, Norway's Norway. In Switzerland (and other countries, see my previous post) one can own the dreaded "high-capacity assault weapons".

[tankbug]

Not really going to work at all because criminals find guns when they want them. That includes semi-rifles. You orgasm so much over "socialist" policies and completely ignore what's going on in the immigrant areas of Sweden and Germany.

Well, then I guess the US just has a whole lot more homicidal assholes than the rest of the world, right? You don't think having less access to guns reduces gun violence? Take a look at the statistics, mate. Also, Sweden and Germany are doing fine. Sure, they have some integration challenges in a few areas, but that will be fixed in time by giving people the best chance of a good life and hope for the future. That goes for all people, so I hope you by "immigration area" mean "low-income/education area", which currently is true for areas with a high concentration of immigrants

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Well, Norway's Norway. In Switzerland (and other countries, see my previous post) one can own the dreaded "high-capacity assault weapons".

Maybe that should change, then. Especially if you can keep the in your house, or even transport them assembled.
I love guns, but I wouldn't mind if they would have to be used and stored at the range only.

[NihilSustinet]

Or some moron coming here and saying shit like "hur durrr,see? You need strict gun laws to prevent shootings" and completely ignore the fact that countries like Switzerland exist.

you really should look into what the gun laws in switzerland actually are. (hint: almost no one has a loaded gun, or even any ammunition at all in their house)

[Coolthulhu]

Maybe that should change, then. Especially if you can keep the in your house, or even transport them assembled.
I love guns, but I wouldn't mind if they would have to be used and stored at the range only.

Maybe it shouldn't, since it's one of the safest countries in the world, even if we are able to keep guns and ammo in our homes, loaded if we want to; we can also transport them assembled, and nobody ever thought of going on a killing spree. I'm also highly skeptical about your claimed love for guns, seeing as how you'd want to keep locked at the range. Guns can also have enormous collectible and display value, you know, even without mentioning home defense.
Really, tell me, why would you want to fix something that is not broken? Out of principle and ideology alone?

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you really should look into what the gun laws in switzerland actually are. (hint: almost no one has a loaded gun, or even any ammunition at all in their house)

That's false. Anyone who wishes to have loaded guns and ammo can do so. It's just not provided by the state as the norm anymore, and you have to apply for a license like in Italy and the Czech Republic.

[Freighter]

Well, then I guess the US just has a whole lot more homicidal assholes than the rest of the world, right? You don't think having less access to guns reduces gun violence? Take a look at the statistics, mate. Also, Sweden and Germany are doing fine. Sure, they have some integration challenges in a few areas, but that will be fixed in time by giving people the best chance of a good life and hope for the future. That goes for all people, so I hope you by "immigration area" mean "low-income/education area", which currently is true for areas with a high concentration of immigrants

Lmao, fixed in time? Why should people put up with the problems in present time in case it might get fixed in the future?

[Magical Mudcrab]

Mass shooting with less than five fatalities in the US? Barely even local news.

Why would American show-and-tell be newsworthy?

OT:
Is it just me, or does gun violence seem to be becoming more frequent in developed countries?

[JohnBrown1917]

Im comparing Netherlands and Switzerland. Or France and Switzerland.

Shootings happened in Netherland and France but not in Switzerland. Why?

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Wait are you suggesting that criminals dont care about laws? But strict gun laws didnt count with this!

Guns laws here are barely more strict than in Switzerland, and Shengen makes it easy to smuggle in weapons anyway.

But the swiss not having mass shootings? Mr.dogwhistle really should look up his information before posting.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zug_massacre
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015_W...ingen_shooting

[Lahis]

So Friday was New Zealand. Today it is Netherlands.

Any quesses where it will be on tomorrow? USA is the cheap answer since we're talking about places where this isn't a bi-weekly event.

[Cizr]

Guns laws here are barely more strict than in Switzerland, and Shengen makes it easy to smuggle in weapons anyway.

But the swiss not having mass shootings? Mr.dogwhistle really should look up his information before posting.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zug_massacre
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015_W...ingen_shooting

woah 18 years ago. Good job mr. "its ok to be intolerant towards tolerants"


btw "The misused gun was not registered and was not from army stocks." just proves how gun control is joke

[Knolan]

So Friday was New Zealand. Today it is Netherlands.

Any quesses where it will be on tomorrow? USA is the cheap answer since we're talking about places where this isn't a bi-weekly event.

Well, neither New Zealand or the Netherlands had any big terrorist attacks before, so if there is a pattern, it is likely a country you would not expect.

[JohnBrown1917]

woah 18 years ago. Good job mr. "its ok to be intolerant towards tolerants"


btw "The misused gun was not registered and was not from army stocks." just proves how gun control is joke

Yeah.. 18 years ago, with twice the deaths of the biggest mass shooting we had here. You're comparing the wrong countries.

Do you actually have anything relevant to say here or you just going to whine about gun controll? Hey, I know, do your bit of going over how your avatar is not a fascist symbol again!

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Well, neither New Zealand or the Netherlands had any big terrorist attacks before, so if there is a pattern, it is likely a country you would not expect.

With no deaths confirmed, so far, I would not call this a big attack. If it even is a terror attack[no known motive so far].

[Ozyorkbourne]

Hopefully the perp dies.

Hopefully not given they need to be interrogated to see if this is a lone attacker or part of a cell. Find out if they had any contact with other 'radicals', how, what sort of communications network did they use if so, etc.

[Cizr]

Yeah.. 18 years ago, with twice the deaths of the biggest mass shooting we had here. You're comparing the wrong countries.

Do you actually have anything relevant to say here or you just going to whine about gun controll? Hey, I know, do your bit of going over how your avatar is not a fascist symbol again!

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With no deaths confirmed, so far, I would not call this a big attack. If it even is a terror attack[no known motive so far].

Im sure this is first and only shooting in Netherlands,right?

Religion bashing again? Yawn..... how can someone who hates freedom of speech,supports violent groups and literally wants to punch people he disagrees with call anyone fascist? Because you know thats what fascists did...

[Kumorii]

Never understood the argument "still happened with gun laws".. Well yeah, same as people's homes and cars get stolen even if they have a lock. Just because it still happens it's kind of ignorant thinking it won't make things harder or leads to reducing the amount of crime. It won't help with fringe cases like these shootings, but smaller gun crimes will get reduced.

Then again I think it's mostly about society differences since us have a bigger love for guns than most other countries which makes it completely different in attitude towards them compared to other countries.

[Flarelaine]

woah 18 years ago. Good job mr. "its ok to be intolerant towards tolerants"

On my calendar, 2015 was not yet 18 years ago.