Communism didn't kill people.

[ghathwathl]

Why don't you get on your real account and we'll talk about it.

Why don't you read Marx, Lenin or Trotsky so you can actually quote key phrases or concepts they come up with.

Because it is painfully obvious to everyone who has done those things that you and most people tend to pontificate about communism have literally no idea what you are talking about. It is kind of a minimum standard to comment on something-to know what it is.

[Sunseeker]

What a retarded comment. The ML version of communism is word by word what Mao and Stalin did. The authoritarianism and corruption are baked into the system. As for whats happening in third world countries, two things:

- Things are improving. Check out any metric and youll see an improvement.

- Each country has a drastically different economic develpment model and history. Grouping them under "capitalism" is what I expect from an ignorant leftist.

Wait wait, the "ML version"? You mean the Marxist-Leninist version?

You realize Lenin rewrote and adapted communism for Russia because Russia lacked a proletariat right? And Mao rewrote that for China because China lacked substantial industrialization. And Stalin warped everything Lenin did.

GO READ SOME FUCKING HISTORY OR SHUT THE HELL UP.

[Michh]

Capitalism has never worked either.

So, capitalism in America; the greatest country in Earths history that has lifted more people out of poverty, and helped more socialist countries than any other country ever has, has never worked.

You should talk to one of the millions of immigrants who migrate here every year, and see what they have to say about a socialist country and it’s great future.

[Freighter]

So, capitalism in America; the greatest country in Earths history that has lifted more people out of poverty, and helped more socialist countries than any other country ever has, has never worked.

You should talk to one of the millions of immigrants who migrate here every year, and see what they have to say about a socialist country and it’s great future.

USA is probably nice to live in if you're a white man but if you're not, it's not so nice. I'd definitely not want to live there after visiting there.

[PC2]

USA is probably nice to live in if you're a white man but if you're not, it's not so nice. I'd definitely not want to live there after visiting there.

lol if you get treated like crap here then I'm sure it's because you have a personal defect. Not because you're South Korean.

[Freighter]

lol if you get treated like crap here then I'm sure it's because you have a personal defect. Not because you're South Korean.

Yeah, no. When people say ni hao and konnichiwa to me without even knowing where I'm from and then telling me I shouldn't be offended because we all look the same anyways, that's them. Not me. When they tell me to go back to my country(Wtf? I was there as a tourist.), that's them too. When they mock people for not speaking English natively, that's them too.

[Felya]

USA is probably nice to live in if you're a white man but if you're not, it's not so nice. I'd definitely not want to live there after visiting there.

Bullshit... there are definitely social issues... but, if you are [insert race, gender, creed, orientation] and think there are more than a dozen places where you can even get close to the comfort of living in US... you are delusional. I’ve been around the world... there are prettier places... but, USA #1 amigo...

Take this from an immigrant... you don’t like it here? Get the fuck out... There are more than enough to take your place. With smiles... always with smiles...

[Sunseeker]

Yeah, no. When people say ni hao and konnichiwa to me without even knowing where I'm from and then telling me I shouldn't be offended because we all look the same anyways, that's them. Not me. When they tell me to go back to my country(Wtf? I was there as a tourist.), that's them too. When they mock people for not speaking English natively, that's them too.

Like, seriously? That's your bitch about the USA?

Because what, Koreans are so super nice to non-Koreans?

Hell even you've come on here to talk about how it's okay to be sexist and shallow. But hey a little racism goes back your way and suddenly you're SUPER offended.

[Freighter]

Because what, Koreans are so super nice to non-Koreans?

Yes? Foreigners are given a lot of slack in regards to not following customs/etiquette/rules, because they don't know the culture. People are very understanding, even when you fuck up, because they expect you to not know rules/etiquette. There's some places that are not so understanding but in general you're given a lot of slack as a foreigner here. You can do stuff that would result in social conflict for a Korean and get away with it because you're a foreigner.

Hell even you've come on here to talk about how it's okay to be sexist and shallow.

I've never said it's okay to be sexist, lmao. Being shallow is ok, because you can't force yourself to be attracted to someone who does nothing for you.

[Felya]

Yeah, no. When people say ni hao and konnichiwa to me without even knowing where I'm from and then telling me I shouldn't be offended because we all look the same anyways, that's them. Not me. When they tell me to go back to my country(Wtf? I was there as a tourist.), that's them too. When they mock people for not speaking English natively, that's them too.

I’m white and deal with the same shit. You think people are sensitive to geopolitical repercussions of someone whose country wasn’t called Ukraine when you left? I had physical harm and a lot of fucked up shit, because I was an immigrant. Regardless of my skin color... or being the scariest white people... or even being 6’2 in junior HS. I got more shit than the kid from Chile, who told me he was illegal, when I asked what college he was going to. Poor bastard, was a cool kid. Yet... I don’t have your disposition... I know it sucks, but you got to own your shit. They won’t do it for you...

[NED funded]

Wait wait, the "ML version"? You mean the Marxist-Leninist version?

You realize Lenin rewrote and adapted communism for Russia because Russia lacked a proletariat right? And Mao rewrote that for China because China lacked substantial industrialization. And Stalin warped everything Lenin did.

GO READ SOME FUCKING HISTORY OR SHUT THE HELL UP.

We have no compassion and we ask no compassion from you. When our turn comes, we shall not make excuses for the terror.

Have these gentlemen ever seen a revolution? A revolution is certainly the most authoritarian thing there is; it is the act whereby one part of the population imposes its will upon the other part by means of rifles, bayonets and cannon — authoritarian means, if such there be at all; and if the victorious party does not want to have fought in vain, it must maintain this rule by means of the terror which its arms inspire in the reactionists.

Clearly communism was warped into authoritarianism.

[Deletedaccount1]

Why don't you read Marx, Lenin or Trotsky so you can actually quote key phrases or concepts they come up with.

Because it is painfully obvious to everyone who has done those things that you and most people tend to pontificate about communism have literally no idea what you are talking about. It is kind of a minimum standard to comment on something-to know what it is.

Get on your main account and tell me all about these quotes and concepts.

[Freighter]

What about people like this guy? Do their experiences not count?

Daegu isn't all of South Korea though. Even by South Korean standards, we're very conservative.

[Sunseeker]

Clearly communism was warped into authoritarianism.

Taking quotes out of the context of the larger material does you no benefit.

If all revolutions are authoritarian, then the revolutions that founded many of the current western nations were also authoritarian. But since these nations didn't turn out to be authoritarian states, you cannot in good faith argue that an authoritarian action (revolution, in this context) necessarily leads to an authoritarian state.

[PC2]

Yeah, no. When people say ni hao and konnichiwa to me without even knowing where I'm from and then telling me I shouldn't be offended because we all look the same anyways, that's them. Not me. When they tell me to go back to my country(Wtf? I was there as a tourist.), that's them too. When they mock people for not speaking English natively, that's them too.

That's pretty mild. If I lived in Asia and heard that about me I would simply smile and go about my business. Assuming they aren't coming at me with a knife or something like that.

[Spectral]

Corruption in the highest levels of government are what kills people.

It's one of the things, but it's surely not the only thing. Some ideologies really are murderous and being sufficiently pure only exacerbates that tendency rather than dampening it. The reason that Nazis or the Khmer Rouge murdered millions, it's a genuine adherence to evil doctrines.

[PC2]

It's one of the things, but it's surely not the only thing. Some ideologies really are murderous and being sufficiently pure only exacerbates that tendency rather than dampening it. The reason that Nazis or the Khmer Rouge murdered millions, it's a genuine adherence to evil doctrines.

It's a heroic 'anti-evil' doctrine from the other perspective though. So before there is even a debate on what are good vs. evil ideas I think a good question is "does the doctrine imply there is an evil group of people out there at the root of society's problems?". Ex Jews, bourgeoisie, patriarchy, etc. If yes then it's automatically going to lead to an incorrect theory.

[Nihilist74]

Didn't most major empires kill a whole bunch of people when they started out? American's killed a lot of native Americans, Asian railroad workers, used a lot of enslaved Africans. Not really much different than when the soviet union started out and they killed a lot of jews, christian, and others they thought would bring down their empire.

[Kasierith]

Didn't most major empires kill a whole bunch of people when they started out? American's killed a lot of native Americans, Asian railroad workers, used a lot of enslaved Africans. Not really much different than when the soviet union started out and they killed a lot of jews, christian, and others they thought would bring down their empire.

I really don't understand what point you're trying to make. Arguments over using Asians as cheap expendable labor at least has some connection to the argument if you want to go against capitalism, but slavery is a wholly different economic theory, and the trail of tears wasn't remotely economical. Beyond that, do you see people saying damn those commies, but the trail of tears was American and thus ok? Both were horrible and wrong, both strongly merit condemnation.

[PC2]

But they were authoritarian and we ARE authoritarian.
Do feudal lords have any power nowadays? No, it was forcefully taken away from them and they were killed when they resisted.
And that was great! We should do the same to capitalists.

What, you are authoritarian? You realize that if they killed capitalists it would make communists look like authoritarian barbarians.