Mega-Thread: Mueller investigation

[Somewhatconcerned]

Best thing for the Dems to do now is to just come out and thank everyone for their efforts, publicly accept the findings and work solely on 2020. They won't win back middle America by dragging this out.

[TheramoreIsTheBomb]

Waiting on the full report for what? To further put him(Trump) on the right? Enough is enough. Stop digging yourself into a longer hole and accept your losses.



Infracted for trolling.

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LOL. Seriously? You're hilarious!! https://www.politico.com/story/2019/...report-1233771

I'm not going to stop because you're on a far side [right or left]. People are different when it comes to politics suck it up, xsharma.

[Vatrilian]

Like what?

Like the fact that the Hillary campaign payed for the dossier, which was the genesis of this entire hoax.

[akris15]

Best thing for the Dems to do now is to just come out and thank everyone for their efforts, publicly accept the findings and work solely on 2020. They won't win back middle America by dragging this out.

They do need to do a debrief in front of congress. Make sure everyone is on the same page. Congress needs to see the full report in closed session. Anything less than that will appear to be a whitewash.

[Stormspellz]

You should get checked for TDS.
Russian Conspiracy Theories are a common side affect.

So no actual response then to my question?

[Xyonai]

they sure caught a lot of witches

As a 90s kid, I'm reminded of that episode of the Rugrats where the gang loses a nickle in the sand pit, and ignore the more valuable items they dig up as junk because the only thing they really understand is 'Well, it's not the nickle'.

That's the image I get whenever anyone calls this a waste of time.

[PACOX]

Mueller did not offer any conclusion. He left gave DOJ his data to decide what to do with it. Seems like instead of going through the data it wants to say there is nothing to comb through.

For Mueller to conclude anything you fo say he was willing to potentially prosecute Trump. Which he would have never done because of the legal mess. Why go that route when you have Congress?

[TheramoreIsTheBomb]

No Collusion. Not that I’m surprised though. It was a witch hunt from the beginning.

Exactly. It shouldn't take 2 years to find something if it's so obvious as people say.

[Belize]

Like the fact that the Hillary campaign payed for the dossier, which was the genesis of this entire hoax.

Good thing the "dossier" had almost nothing too do with this investigation *shrug*

[Bullettime]

Good thing the "dossier" had almost nothing too do with this investigation *shrug*

And the fact that what became the Steele dossier was originally paid for by Jeb Bush.

[Themius]

Exactly. It shouldn't take 2 years to find something if it's so obvious as people say.

They found a lot in 2 years, and how long did the bullshit email investigation last?

[Canpinter]

How in the name of fuck is don jr meeting with someone he thought was and agent of the Russian government to get dirt on Hillary not at least attempted collusion?

[Ripster42]

So the AG trump hired literally couldn't get beyond "does not exonerate him." And apparently everyone is ignoring the other investigations that are ongoing and weren't specifically about collusion with IRA. And again, the AG trump hired, can't even say he didn't conspire with them before the hack happened, which isn't even something many people were accusing him of. It's also very weird to see this conclusion, since we know there was assistance from at least one member of trump's campaign, because of the filing from manafort's lawyers that specifically state that he'd given kilimnik polling data.

The accusations alleged in the steele dossier aren't even addressed: US foreign policy for money+election assistance. The fact that stone wasn't technically part of the campaign seems to be carrying a shit load of water here.

The obstruction portion is barr's take on it, and remember, he doesn't believe a sitting president can commit obstruction (barr's take on this isn't based on the cite in his footnote, but the belief that it's within the president's power to legally end whatever investigations he wants, therefor there cannot be "corrupt intent," which is required for obstruction). He literally tried to use the fact that trump is an idiot and made public incriminating statements about it in an attempt to exonerate him, "in cataloguing the President's actions, many of which took place in public view..." The phrase, "determined not to make a traditional prosecutorial judgment" leads me to believe the SCO thinks it should head to congress for impeachment, and this was barr's whitewash.

I predict a massive fight with the WH to get the full report released, because it sure sounds like this was the best spin barr could put on them having a lot of evidence that his campaign was colluding with foreign countries.

[akris15]

As a 90s kid, I'm reminded of that episode of the Rugrats where the gang loses a nickle in the sand pit, and ignore the more valuable items they dig up as junk because the only thing they really understand is 'Well, it's not the nickle'.

That's the image I get whenever anyone calls this a waste of time.

That's a pretty good summary of what I am seeing in this thread...well there's no collusion waste of two year...yet we found all these other issues and don't forget about all the stuff at SDNY offices that were given to them from Mueller we still yet to see

[TheramoreIsTheBomb]

They found a lot in 2 years, and how long did the bullshit email investigation last?

A lot of what exactly? This investigation and all the money spent on it could've been spent on something else. It's also has been Presidents who all have served both terms. I don't care how angry people get at this report, I'm not going to stop stating facts no matter how much you DON'T like them.

[akris15]

How in the name of fuck is don jr meeting with someone he thought was and agent of the Russian government to get dirt on Hillary not at least attempted collusion?

My guess because they didn't take a honey put /shrug...this is why seeing the full report will help answer the thought process on stuff like this

[PACOX]

How in the name of fuck is don jr meeting with someone he thought was and agent of the Russian government to get dirt on Hillary not at least attempted collusion?

No one knows because only one person has the report. Somehow that's sufficient to some people.

[Ripster42]

How in the name of fuck is don jr meeting with someone he thought was and agent of the Russian government to get dirt on Hillary not at least attempted collusion?

It is. The phrase, "does not exonerate him" is a pretty big red flag.

[Bullettime]

So the AG trump hired literally couldn't get beyond "does not exonerate him." And apparently everyone is ignoring the other investigations that are ongoing and weren't specifically about collusion with IRA. And again, the AG trump hired, can't even say he didn't conspire with them before the hack happened, which isn't even something many people were accusing him of. It's also very weird to see this conclusion, since we know there was assistance from at least one member of trump's campaign, because of the filing from manafort's lawyers that specifically state that he'd given kilimnik polling data.

The accusations alleged in the steele dossier aren't even addressed: US foreign policy for money+election assistance. The fact that stone wasn't technically part of the campaign seems to be carrying a shit load of water here.

The obstruction portion is barr's take on it, and remember, he doesn't believe a sitting president can commit obstruction (barr's take on this isn't based on the cite in his footnote, but the belief that it's within the president's power to legally end whatever investigations he wants, therefor there cannot be "corrupt intent," which is required for obstruction). He literally tried to use the fact that trump is an idiot and made public incriminating statements about it in an attempt to exonerate him, "in cataloguing the President's actions, many of which took place in public view..." The phrase, "determined not to make a traditional prosecutorial judgment" leads me to believe the SCO thinks it should head to congress for impeachment, and this was barr's whitewash.

I predict a massive fight with the WH to get the full report released, because it sure sounds like this was the best spin barr could put on them having a lot of evidence that his campaign was colluding with foreign countries.

Bingo. Which is why we need the Mueller report in Congress, which will end up leaked to us.

Without seeing the underlying details on how Barr arrived at his conclusion, we don't know what's actually true. And while he wasn't required to, Barr did not consult with Mueller over his final summary, meaning it's purely the opinion of Barr and we do not know what Mueller himself suggested or found. All we have is Barr's opinion of the situation with no backing evidence that has a slew of plot holes.

[Xyonai]

That's a pretty good summary of what I am seeing in this thread...well there's no collusion waste of two year...yet we found all these other issues and don't forget about all the stuff at SDNY offices that were given to them from Mueller we still yet to see

Yeah the Mueller investigation might be over, but Trump and Teams' legal issues are going to be around for a while longer.