DOJ Asking Courts to Strike down ACA, Protections for Preexisting Conditions, etc

[Milchshake]

Ongoing in; The Most Neo Liberal Government Ever.

The Justice Department has now announced that it will not defend any part of the Affordable Care Act. If it has its way, the entire ACA should fall.
Justice Department now says courts should strike the entire ACA

This is from an administration that claims to support protections for people with preexisting conditions. This is from an administration that claims to care about the plight of the uninsured. This is from an administration that has a duty to defend the law.


The Justice Department now says the courts should strike down the entire Affordable Care Act — not just its protections for pre-existing conditions. The department signaled its new, broader position in a legal filing Monday, part of a lawsuit challenging the law's individual insurance mandate.

Why it matters: A ruling striking down the entire ACA would upend major parts of the health care system. Millions of people would lose their health care coverage, and a host of seemingly unrelated policies — including new experiments in how Medicare pays for care and an entire class of prescription drugs — would also go out the window.

How it works: A federal judge ruled in December that the ACA's individual mandate has become unconstitutional, because of the way Republicans zeroed out the penalty for being uninsured.

He said the entire ACA had to fall along with the mandate — the position the Republican attorneys general who brought this lawsuit had advocated.
At the time, the Justice Department had agreed that the mandate was unconstitutional, but said only 2 other provisions needed to go — the one requiring insurers to cover people with pre-existing conditions, and the one prohibiting them from charging those customers a higher premium.
Now, though, the Justice Department says it agrees with the judge's entire opinion, and won't challenge any part of that ruling as the case heads through the appeals process.
What's next: The case is pending before the 5th Circuit Court of Appeals — the most conservative appeals court in the country. From there it would go to the Supreme Court.

Remember that Ruling in December, from a real whackadoodle judge?

Legal Commentators Nearly Pull A Muscle Condemning Judge’s Affordable Care Act Decision
How many ways can you say stupid?

It will be interesting to see if affordable healthcare becomes a central issue in the 2020 elections.


Well if it gets reported on.... did you know in the midterms, half of 2018’s Democratic campaign ads were about health care?

[Somewhatconcerned]

This administration will be using the momentum from the Mueller report to try to get done whatever they can, I suppose.

I guess Trump might be throwing the Dems a bone in 2020, healthcare is the only platform with which they might have a chance.

[PACOX]

So instead of coming up with a plan people like they continue to try to kill ACA through 'creative uses of power'.

The individual mandate is gone, getting rid of the 'preexisting conditions' part is just turning up the profit margin in healthcare without helping anyone.

One again shiting on the people who voted for them.

[Captain N]

Well I expect a sudden spike in GoFundMe panhandling from those who didn't need insurance.

[Somewhatconcerned]

Well I expect a sudden spike in GoFundMe panhandling from those who didn't need insurance.

A good example of pulling yourself up by your bootstraps?

Voters won't care, meaning if you were already on one side of this issue, THIS isn't necessarily going to change your mind to switch sides.

[Captain N]

A good example of pulling yourself up by your bootstraps?

Voters won't care, meaning if you were already on one side of this issue, THIS isn't necessarily going to change your mind to switch sides.

A strange comparison for sure as it's impossible to do such a thing.

Oh I'm quite sure voters are going to care when they suddenly have the rugs pulled out from under them. People grow accustomed to having things even if they didn't like having them to begin with. Taking that away from them has a terrible consequence of making them mad.

[Kasierith]

A good example of pulling yourself up by your bootstraps?

Voters won't care, meaning if you were already on one side of this issue, THIS isn't necessarily going to change your mind to switch sides.

People will care quite a bit if they have health care one day and no health care the next. Health care and land tend to be the two big things that stick.

[Somewhatconcerned]

A strange comparison for sure as it's impossible to do such a thing.

Oh I'm quite sure voters are going to care when they suddenly have the rugs pulled out from under them. People grow accustomed to having things even if they didn't like having them to begin with. Taking that away from them has a terrible consequence of making them mad.

Nah.

Again, everyone who is on the partisan divide on this issue will remain that way. Those that lose coverage, if they are Republican, will simply be glad that an Obama law was overturned and liberals made mad in the process. This won't make them vote Democrat.

[Valeron]

Do Republicans have any other mandate other than to destroy?

[Somewhatconcerned]

People will care quite a bit if they have health care one day and no health care the next. Health care and land tend to be the two big things that stick.

See my response above. Don't forget that Trump ran on repealing ACA - this shouldn't be a surprise or a rug pulled out from under anyone, certainly not his supporters. And of course he still has ample time to spin it as "we have something better in the works." It's not going to cause some seismic shift of voters from one side to another.

[beanman12345]

Nah.

Again, everyone who is on the partisan divide on this issue will remain that way. Those that lose coverage, if they are Republican, will simply be glad that an Obama law was overturned and liberals made mad in the process. This won't make them vote Democrat.

nah
People in places like Kentucky don't even realize their health care (which is called K care there) is actually disguised as aca and an obama law. And they LOVE k care. This is gonna piss a lot of red state citizens off.

[Captain N]

Nah.

Again, everyone who is on the partisan divide on this issue will remain that way. Those that lose coverage, if they are Republican, will simply be glad that an Obama law was overturned and liberals made mad in the process. This won't make them vote Democrat.

Except you know a lot of those people are completely cool with the ACA as along as its not called Obamacare.

It's not the die-hard Republicans that are going to be up in arms over this. It's going to be the Independents who like the Democrats have a very favorable view of the ACA.

Do you think that Republicans are going to win with just their base if they alienate a large swath of Independents, who make up a very very large block of the voter base?

[Somewhatconcerned]

nah
People in places like Kentucky don't even realize their health care (which is called K care there) is actually disguised as aca and an obama law. And they LOVE k care. This is gonna piss a lot of red state citizens off.

Doubtful. They voted for Trump knowing it was one of his campaign promises. Why would they get mad now?

I think their dislike for liberals outweighs any other issue. Remember the soy bean farmers who were getting hit HARD by the tariffs who said they would gladly suffer for Trump since they thought it was in the country's best interests long term. Expect a similar story. Especially if the administration makes any sort of vague promises of "something better" on the horizon.

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Except you know a lot of those people are completely cool with the ACA as along as its not called Obamacare.

It's not the die-hard Republicans that are going to be up in arms over this. It's going to be the Independents who like the Democrats have a very favorable view of the ACA.

Do you think that Republicans are going to win with just their base if they alienate a large swath of Independents, who make up a very very large block of the voter base?

Doesn't matter, most independents aren't single issue voters anyways.

And you keep missing the key part: all Trump had to do is dangle the promise of a better system and it will string many voters along.

[beanman12345]

Doubtful. They voted for Trump knowing it was one of his campaign promises. Why would they get mad now?

I think their dislike for liberals outweighs any other issue. Remember the soy bean farmers who were getting hit HARD by the tariffs who said they would gladly suffer for Trump since they thought it was in the country's best interests long term. Expect a similar story. Especially if the administration makes any sort of vague promises of "something better" on the horizon.

they voted republican because they are dumb and didn't realize getting rid of obamacare get's rid of their k care. Not all of them are dumb either, last time ACA issues came around there were town hall meetings where people were just blasting their republican reps over getting rid of their healthcare. You might be right that they may never vote democrat, but this is something that will make them not vote, or vote third party. This is something that puts voters off not to come vote for their tribe.

[Orbitus]

Do Republicans have any other mandate other than to destroy?

Can't have anything that will help people, that is SOCIALISM. Even though the ACA is the greatest expansion of forced capitalism ever.

[Valeron]

Can't have anything that will help people, that is SOCIALISM. Even though the ACA is the greatest expansion of forced capitalism ever.

All I ever see is them trying to tear down something but never offer anything in place of that.

[Captain N]

All I ever see is them trying to tear down something but never offer anything in place of that.

Because the only thing they could offer that would be better than the current ACA would be a single-payer or universal healthcare plan that covered everyone. Unfortunately we have a large portion of our population who screams incessantly about having their taxes used to pay for things they themselves would benefit from. Even worse they don't seem to grasp the fact that we already have a tax-payer funded healthcare plan, but those are the same people who hold signs that say Don't steal Medicare to support socialized medicine

[Valeron]

Are they intentionally that ignorant?

[Milchshake]

All I ever see is them trying to tear down something but never offer anything in place of that.

Pretty much. Republicans have been campaigning against the New Deal and the Great Society since ... forever.



As to why people dont believe the GOP will one day take their shit away.... Well identity Politics is a helluva drug.

[Zaydin]

Nah.

Again, everyone who is on the partisan divide on this issue will remain that way. Those that lose coverage, if they are Republican, will simply be glad that an Obama law was overturned and liberals made mad in the process. This won't make them vote Democrat.

Thanks for admitting that modern-day Republicans are a party of trolls whose sole motivating principle is 'pwning teh libs'.