[EU] Brexit negotiations at a standstill

[Butler to Baby Sloths]

Perhaps you should have thought about whether or not this was OT when you first posted your inaccurate information?

Perhaps you should read up about diplomatic representation before trying to be a pedant.

[Pann]

Perhaps you should read up about diplomatic representation before trying to be a pedant.

Just admit that you were wrong. But I will do. Whilst I'm at it perhaps you could look up the word pedant so as you can avoid this kind of unintentional irony in future.

[Butler to Baby Sloths]

I think the scenario were FPTP is removed is one of a minority Labour government that enters in a coalition with other parties that demand that FPTP is put to a referendum with an actual alternative.

FPTP was put to the ballot not too long ago (2011 IIRC) and was rejected, I don't know if public opinion has changed enough to make that a headline topic for the election manifesto.

[Vermented]

What Cameron asked was to remove Freedom of Movement. Which is the same thing the AfD asks for. So no, no one could have given them that and no one is going to give it to the AfD either.

Indeed. Freedom of movement is a core foundation of the EU and cannot be separated from the other core foundations.

It will blow over. Right-extremist parties across the EU are speaking less and less about leaving the EU, even France FN is silent about "Frexit". Russia, which is supporting many of the anti-EU parties across Europe, is under pressure b/c of the sanctions that are costing Putin votes. The sanctions will increase slowly at least until the next Russian elections in 2024.

[LeGin Tufnel]

I think the scenario were FPTP is removed is one of a minority Labour government that enters in a coalition with other parties that demand that FPTP is put to a referendum with an actual alternative.

Hmmms... yes, I wonder if I'm barking up the wrong tree. It's a bit unlikely isn't it?

Either way, it is - without a shadow of a doubt - the most important thing that could come about as a result of this.

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https://twitter.com/NickWhithorn/sta...34855805812736

Umberto Eco identified 14 typical features of fascism. At least 10 of them have manifested themselves during the brexit process (use of lower case 'b' intentional)

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FPTP was put to the ballot not too long ago (2011 IIRC) and was rejected, I don't know if public opinion has changed enough to make that a headline topic for the election manifesto.

Fuck public opinion, to be honest. The decision needs to be made above their heads.

[Yes, I appreciate the irony]

[Pann]

Fuck public opinion, to be honest. The decision needs to be made above their heads.

[Yes, I appreciate the irony]

We could just cut out the middleman and get rid of elections altogether.

[Northern Goblin]

Labour could do much worse than put Keir Starmer in charge of the party.

One constantly lives in hope for this outcome.

[Butler to Baby Sloths]

Apparently nearly 200 Tories have signed a letter to the PM begging for a "managed no-deal".

I mean, what even is "managed no-deal"? I'm assuming it has something to do with geese that lay golden eggs riding unicorns across a rainbow, trailing sparkles.

[Kronik85]

Apparently nearly 200 Tories have signed a letter to the PM begging for a "managed no-deal".

I mean, what even is "managed no-deal"? I'm assuming it has something to do with geese that lay golden eggs riding unicorns across a rainbow, trailing sparkles.

It's actually a trap, all the signatories are going to to be sequestered for the rest of the Brexit process because they are too fucking stupid to be trusted to take part anymore.

[Butler to Baby Sloths]

It's actually a trap, all the signatories are going to to be sequestered for the rest of the Brexit process because they are too fucking stupid to be trusted to take part anymore.

When they exit the House, the men in white coats will be waiting to take them to a place where they can "calm down" over several years

[Shalcker]

Indeed. Freedom of movement is a core foundation of the EU and cannot be separated from the other core foundations.

It will blow over. Right-extremist parties across the EU are speaking less and less about leaving the EU, even France FN is silent about "Frexit". Russia, which is supporting many of the anti-EU parties across Europe, is under pressure b/c of the sanctions that are costing Putin votes. The sanctions will increase slowly at least until the next Russian elections in 2024.

It's not sanctions that are costing Putin votes, it's inane laws passed by Duma and rising of pension age right after election without immediate need to do so.

Which has nothing to do with anti-EU party support across Europe - because that is insanely cheap and is going to continue regardless of anything.

[LeGin Tufnel]

It's actually a trap, all the signatories are going to to be sequestered for the rest of the Brexit process because they are too fucking stupid to be trusted to take part anymore.

Tories have been holding training sessions today. Subject: what is the Customs Union.

https://twitter.com/SamCoatesTimes/s...46689960513539

Tory MPs held their training session today on what is a customs union

“It was very useful but one person did raise the question why they hadn’t done this two years ago”

[Butler to Baby Sloths]

Tories have been holding training sessions today. Subject: what is the Customs Union.

https://twitter.com/SamCoatesTimes/s...46689960513539

Tory MPs held their training session today on what is a customs union

“It was very useful but one person did raise the question why they hadn’t done this two years ago”

Please let that be an April Fool joke.

[Kronik85]

Tories have been holding training sessions today. Subject: what is the Customs Union.

https://twitter.com/SamCoatesTimes/s...46689960513539

Tory MPs held their training session today on what is a customs union

“It was very useful but one person did raise the question why they hadn’t done this two years ago”

So I read your post and I thought "that's satire right?". So I click the link to confirm and umm, oh dear. I honestly wish I wasn't surprised.

[Huehuecoyotl]

So 75% of Tory activists want a pure no-deal. That is terrifying, and if anyone needed proof that this party needs to be removed from any proximity to power immediately, it's right there.

Mind you, the average age of that bunch is 70 odd. So maybe it isn't surprising that they are a bunch of rabid Brexiteers with no clue about anything.

I'm honestly struggling to see how this doesn't end up with a radical split in the Tory party. The ERG crew aren't budging an inch, so anyone with an ounce of sanity or political common sense is going to want to get to safe distance before they cause a toxic explosion.

[Kronik85]

So 75% of Tory activists want a pure no-deal. That is terrifying, and if anyone needed proof that this party needs to be removed from any proximity to power immediately, it's right there.

Mind you, the average age of that bunch is 70 odd. So maybe it isn't surprising that they are a bunch of rabid Brexiteers with no clue about anything.

I think a better and more pleasant way to look at it would be that it's more surprising that it's only 75% rather than say, 100%.

[LeGin Tufnel]

So I read your post and I thought "that's satire right?". So I click the link to confirm and umm, oh dear. I honestly wish I wasn't surprised.

It's bizarre: I genuinely don't know if it's an April Fool's or not. I didn't even consider the April Fool's dimension until Butler Log mentioned it. Looking at it, I don't think it is.

[Huehuecoyotl]

I think a better and more pleasant way to look at it would be that it's more surprising that it's only 75% rather than say, 100%.

The amusing thing is, if they elect a Brexiteer PM, and go into the next election on a manifesto for a pure no-deal, they will be utterly destroyed. Their members may want it, but there won't be enough of the rest of their voting base willing to go along with it. Especially when all the MPs that aren't fucking idiots desert the party.

[Kronik85]

It's bizarre: I genuinely don't know if it's an April Fool's or not. I didn't even consider the April Fool's dimension until Butler Log mentioned it. Looking at it, I don't think it is.

It was posted past lunch time so it would be exceptionally bad form from the chap.

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The amusing thing is, if they elect a Brexiteer PM, and go into the next election on a manifesto for a pure no-deal, they will be utterly destroyed. Their members may want it, but there won't be enough of the rest of their voting base willing to go along with it. Especially when all the MPs that aren't fucking idiots desert the party.

Keep telling you Hue.
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[LeGin Tufnel]

C'mon... want the results! Knackered... need sleep