[EU] Brexit negotiations at a standstill

[zealo]

So what now??

No-deal brexit on the 12th unless we get a third round of indicative votes within the next 10 days where they change their minds and actually approves something.

[Gully Man]

Depends on whether or not the EU decides to grant an extension and under what conditions.

But at this point unless Parliament pulls some manner of consensus out of their ass before Friday, it might be between EUMP elections or No Deal.

If I were France I'd be looking to force a GE or Referendum.

The only thing France can force is no extension, so no deal Brexit.

[Elegiac]

The only thing France can force is no extension, so no deal Brexit.

I meant in terms of suggesting that any extension be contingent upon a GE or Referendum in the near future.

[Zelk]

EU really needs to say enough is enough and let UK crash out.

yep really important that the EU proves to everyone that it is in fact bad and very happy to plunge millions into povery when it is politically expedient (see also Greece)

[Slant]

Nick Boles just quit the Tory party in the middle of the session. Made a statement about parliament being in this situation because the Tories refuse to compromise, drops the mic and walks to the opposition bench.

"Oh no, Nick, don't go. Come on!"

Someone lost a dear friend tonight. :P

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yep really important that the EU proves to everyone that it is in fact bad and very happy to plunge millions into povery when it is politically expedient (see also Greece)

Um, this isn't the EU's doing. None of this is what the EU wants. The EU is really just a passenger on this wild ride. The UK started this. The UK set impossible redlines with which the UK is violating international treaties, the UK is unable to find a solution and the UK has wasted 3 years with this circus show. And it is now the UK Parliament that keeps rejecting anything, no matter what it is. And this is on top of ignoring that the EU isn't even ready to renegotiate anything.

You can't pin this on the EU.

[Zelk]

"Oh no, Nick, don't go. Come on!"

Someone lost a dear friend tonight. :P

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Um, this isn't the EU's doing. None of this is what the EU wants. The EU is really just a passenger on this wild ride. The UK started this. The UK set impossible redlines with which the UK is violating international treaties, the UK is unable to find a solution and the UK has wasted 3 years with this circus show. And it is now the UK Parliament that keeps rejecting anything, no matter what it is. And this is on top of ignoring that the EU isn't even ready to renegotiate anything.

You can't pin this on the EU.

sorry forgot the EU is entirely blameless of any of the consequences of its actions, including denying the UK an extension on article 50 out of spite

[Slant]

sorry forgot the EU is entirely blameless of any of the consequences of its actions, including denying the UK an extension on article 50 out of spite

The EU isn't denying an extension out of spite. That is an outright lie. In case you hadn't noticed, you are in an extension already.

[Gully Man]

Theresa needs to put her deal or no deal to a vote in parliament and that's the end of it. Stop all this fucking around. Brexit won, the house voted to trigger article 50 and the government have done what they can to get the best deal. You either take the deal or live with the consequences.

[zealo]

Theresa needs to put her deal or no deal to a vote in parliament and that's the end of it. Stop all this fucking around. Brexit won, the house voted to trigger article 50 and the government have done what they can to get the best deal. You either take the deal or live with the consequences.

Theresa May's deal has been voted on and rejected 3 times already.

Putting the same deal up again for a 4th vote is not the answer.

[Zelk]

The EU isn't denying an extension out of spite. That is an outright lie. In case you hadn't noticed, you are in an extension already.

that's what the post I replied to was suggesting to do though??

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You had 3 years. Three. And the EU isn't hesitant to further extensions out of pure joy for causing havok, there are elections on a very near horizon the UK would have to take part in, although they don't really have any business in doing so anymore. But the laws would require it. Also: THREE years.

sorry how many years has it been? Please, continue to talk to me like I'm an idiot.

[Gully Man]

Theresa May's deal has been voted on and rejected 3 times already.

Putting the same deal up again for a 4th vote is not the answer.

It’s been voted against because they all have it in their heads that there’s other alternatives. Take away the alternatives. Make it her deal or no deal. The only other option is to have a third round of votes on these alternative proposals that aren’t achieving a majority.

All of them are playing chicken thinking the longer they leave it the more chance they have of getting what they want but the reality is it makes no deal more likely.

[Trassk]

dunno if its been posted yet, but:



Sargon/Carl's come a long way, from simple youtuber, to advocate and serious public speaker.

[Slant]

that's what the post I replied to was suggesting to do though??

Yes, perhaps. But that is not the stance of the EU. It's the stance of the EU's frustrated citizens.

[Lynarii]

that's what the post I replied to was suggesting to do though??

Saying enough is enough and letting the UK crash out isn't a spiteful action. It's a recognition of the fact that the UK is incapable of coming to a decision, and their failure has been and is continuing to impact everyone else. The UK KNEW that they had a deadline, they are the ones that initiated it to begin with. They know that there are EU elections coming up. It is not spiteful to say that the UK cannot live in a perpetual state of both in the EU and leaving the EU, it's an unworkable scenario.

sorry how many years has it been? Please, continue to talk to me like I'm an idiot.

Perhaps if you would stop blaming the EU for your own government's actions then people would be less likely to feel the need to point out what your own government's actions were.

[Zelk]

Saying enough is enough and letting the UK crash out isn't a spiteful action. It's a recognition of the fact that the UK is incapable of coming to a decision, and their failure has been and is continuing to impact everyone else. The UK KNEW that they had a deadline, they are the ones that initiated it to begin with. They know that there are EU elections coming up. It is not spiteful to say that the UK cannot live in a perpetual state of both in the EU and leaving the EU, it's an unworkable scenario.



Perhaps if you would stop blaming the EU for your own government's actions then people would be less likely to feel the need to point out what your own government's actions were.

I've never blamed the eu for the government's actions? I criticised the attitude of a couple of posters on here and now you've all got upset and imagined my position on a government which I would actually quite gladly see ran out of parliament.

[Dizzeeyooo]

Sargon/Carl's come a long way, from simple youtuber, to advocate and serious public speaker.

"Serious public speaker" at a UKIP/Tommy Robinson rally

[Slant]

I've never blamed the eu for the government's actions? I criticised the attitude of a couple of posters on here and now you've all got upset and imagined my position on a government which I would actually quite gladly see ran out of parliament.

Do you think it's fair to criticise the attitude of posters like this? The UK unilaterally decided to do something that affects all of us negatively. We begged them, we argued with them and we did everything legal we can do to talk them out of it, yet they unilaterally put this bullshit on all of us. And they unilaterally fail to bring this to an end in a timely fashion.

You do not get to point fingers and accuse EU citizens of a bad attitude. You just don't. Point at your own Government. But don't act all surprised when the rest of the EU is full of people getting sick of this shitshow preventing us from doing business. Do you have an idea how many investments and business strategies involving UK assets or businesses are put on hold at the moment? We're in limbo as much as you are. And unlike you, we can't even do anything about it in the next elections.

[Zelk]

dunno if its been posted yet, but:

[video=youtu]beardy fash[/video]

Sargon/Carl's come a long way, from simple youtuber, to advocate and serious public speaker.

he's certainly simple

[Acidbaron]

People blaming the EU while the UK was unable to form a consensus on anything and after granting olive branch after olive branch while their PM and brexit ministers often showed up empty handed to the negotiation table.

The EU has spoiled the UK for too long so I at that people are right they should have treated the UK more evenly like the other members and this might not have never happened.

[Zelk]

Do you think it's fair to criticise the attitude of posters like this? The UK unilaterally decided to do something that affects all of us negatively. We begged them, we argued with them and we did everything legal we can do to talk them out of it, yet they unilaterally put this bullshit on all of us. And they unilaterally fail to bring this to an end in a timely fashion.

You do not get to point fingers and accuse EU citizens of a bad attitude. You just don't. Point at your own Government. But don't act all surprised when the rest of the EU is full of people getting sick of this shitshow preventing us from doing business. Do you have an idea how many investments and business strategies involving UK assets or businesses are on hold at the moment? We're in limbo as much as you are. And unlike you, we can't even do anything about it in the next elections.

Why's it my fault that the UK government has acted in the way it has? I didn't vote for a fucking tory. I can throw the same back at you and blame all the ills of the European Union on you but I won't because that's ridiculous. You don't seem to realise that forcing the UK into a no deal brexit (by denying an extension which is the suggestion I was replying to) means the EU is also at fault.