Blizzard is not acting like BFA is failing

[Tweedzz]

They say that these are things they did wrong, but they are doing absolutely nothing to rectify these things. They arent learning and improving. They are "admitting" they messed up, saying they will do stuff, but really arent doing anything to fix it. They are holding course. Admitting you have a problem and fixing it are two totally different issues. Ion is basically a drug addict who knows he has an issue and instead of trying to get clean hes going to his dealer.

They are redoing azerite almost entirely, they already redid expeditions both in rewards and in content, they have abandoned adding more warfronts, they are adding active abilities to the azerite neck to conpensate for pruning. They are doing everything short of reverting back to the state of the game in legion. How much more do you expect them to do in a content patch? Even if the player base did want them to revert back to gameplay ala legion or mists or something, that is probably an expansion level undertaking.

[Trend]

Have you read the interviews ? They keep talking about things that didnt work... 23K posts on mmo-C and hating the game ? What the hell

Just ignore him. He posted intelligently up until about 3-4 months ago. Now it seems hating Ion is the only thing he's got going on in life and rationality is irrelevant.

[Amerissis]

They say that these are things they did wrong, but they are doing absolutely nothing to rectify these things. They arent learning and improving. They are "admitting" they messed up, saying they will do stuff, but really arent doing anything to fix it. They are holding course. Admitting you have a problem and fixing it are two totally different issues. Ion is basically a drug addict who knows he has an issue and instead of trying to get clean hes going to his dealer.

Doing nothing to fix it? Guess we play different games then, and read different interviews.

[A Chozo]

1 - Not failing, by any relevant margin. Other games WISH they had the same success BfA has.
2 - They constantly aknowledge the problems with the expansions.

Now go buy the next xpac on pre-order.

[Justpassing]

What is with this obsession with wanting the WoW devs to grovel for forgiveness?

Wouldn't you want your ex to do that?

[tripleh]

It was boring. Also suffered alot of sub losses during that time. At least until they fixed the overtuning of dungeons and raids. Later on it might have gotten good but at the beginning there was alot of issues.

[McNeil]

I don't think Blizzard really cares that much for the quality of the game as long as they can rake in a lot of cash trough microtransactions. Making money is how they define failing, not how many people enjoy playing the game.

[Echocho]

They don't see the casino as something negative, it's only the players that are strongly against it

[Archmage Alodi]

Can you prove WoD failed?

It might have not failed financially, but it's their worst expansion so far. Don't you consider cutting development to focus on the next expansion proof tho?

[Nnyco]

You tryin too hard to make wow look worse than it is.

[kamuimac]

Is it just me or is Blizzard just acting like everything is fine?

they literaly had 2 best financial quarters in years.

why the f... should they act differently ?

because few stremers wanted to capitalise on fake outcry ?

get real.

[BB8]

Or...… maybe Blizzards knows the game is not as populair as before and they also know, with the current availability of other games, they can not get that back.

They anticipate this and just go with what they want to do and how they want to evolve their game, just like most other games do.

[Aggrophobic]

WoD was just dead on arrival with systems that didn't really give you much options to add actual content. WoD is just underperforming in terms of endlevel quests and azerite is being salvaged by returning to a feature they already had completed last xpac.

So both xpacs failed in their own way with WoD being unfixable for the most part.

Yet, Legion did not do much better than WoD. What the average MMO-C reader sees as a fail is not the same as a game actually failing.

[MoanaLisa]

Unsalvagable?

It literally relaunched and is now arguably one of the best MMOs on the market lol. They pretty much salvaged it. And rebuilt player trust from scratch. Meanwhile over at WoW they continue to lose player faith and trust.

Actually hell with it. It's the best MMO on the modern market. Slightly above ESO.

They had the flat out decency to apologise and instead of abandoning the project try again. ActiBlizz have literally never flat out apologised for any major WoW issues other than the atypical "kthx for understanding and patience".

This goes for everyone.

Stop with the advertising for ESO/FFXIV (and other games) at the expense of the game that is the topic of this forum. If you have something to say about WoW that's fine but this incessant drumbeat for other games needs to stop.

[kamuimac]

Can you prove WoD failed?

imo the only thing WoD "failed" was on cut content aka faralon and cut out raid tier (most likely in shattrath)

everything else was very strong . and leveling experience was arguably one of the best and most fun in all expansions so far.

i for example cannot wait for timewalking dungeons from WoD - gonna have fun runing them again

[Varitok]

Because it isn't really failing.

If they were in alert mode, things like removing portals would have never happened. And as we all know, this is a business, not your amusement park... so they will act accordingly.

You've never seen a dev continue to do stupid shit while their game was dying? What universe do you live in?

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This goes for everyone.

Stop with the advertising for ESO/FFXIV (and other games) at the expense of the game that is the topic of this forum. If you have something to say about WoW that's fine but this incessant drumbeat for other games needs to stop.

Can't even say how another MMO does shit better. That's why the game is on life support, creating a bubble where the only game mentioned is WoW and since it's the only thing talked about it's the greatest MMO in existence, instead of pointing to other MMOs as examples of what to do better. That's just a joke of a response and is an example of the wider problems of the WoW fanbase. Ive barely played either ESO or FF but insight and discussion of their faults and virtues is crucial to WoWs future, WoW was at it's best when it stole the best systems from other MMOs/games.

[Steelangel]

Unsalvagable?

It literally relaunched and is now arguably one of the best MMOs on the market lol. They pretty much salvaged it. And rebuilt player trust from scratch. Meanwhile over at WoW they continue to lose player faith and trust.

They up and destroyed the world and rebuilt it. As it was originally, FFXIV was unsalvageable. Don't be obtuse.

[Gurahk]

This goes for everyone.

Stop with the advertising for ESO/FFXIV (and other games) at the expense of the game that is the topic of this forum. If you have something to say about WoW that's fine but this incessant drumbeat for other games needs to stop.

Thank you.

[Eleccybubb]

This goes for everyone.

Stop with the advertising for ESO/FFXIV (and other games) at the expense of the game that is the topic of this forum. If you have something to say about WoW that's fine but this incessant drumbeat for other games needs to stop.

So we aren't allowed to compare and contrast and say one game might do something better than the other? I get this is the WoW sub forum but come on. WoW is not the only MMO out there and it does have games to be compared to just like any other. Nobody is "drumbeating" or "advertising" other games either dude.

Nobody is telling people to go play those games either. It's just a simple comparison. Not even game vs game.

Someone brought up how another game managed it's issues with player trust. We compared those to WoWs. What you quoted me on goes back to page 1.

[Soon-TM]

For them, it isn't failing. Fanbois are buying pets and mounts left and right, so there is no need for innovation or acknowledgement of (present) mistakes whatsoever - except when base systems are so blatantly crappy that they risk to sink the whole ship, e.g. Azerite.