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  1. #181
    put players on ignore, go to blizzard forums find topic about a battlenet wide ignore list so these losers can be ignored by each of our accounts/characters and life will be happy.

    Also there is a cooldown timer before the match starts where you can talk to the other players "hey i'm X spec, is that alright?" rather than just being kicked a second time.
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  2. #182
    Quote Originally Posted by lonely zergling View Post
    Dont pug islands. Easy as fuck. Why do you people not have friends/guildmembers?
    Cause most people on these forums believe and MMO is a single-player casual experience. Playing with other people in an MMO? That's unheard of. /sarcasm

    I would be willing to bet pugging nowadays in WoW would be a horrible experience.

  3. #183
    Queue up with your friend, knowing you need 1 more. This 1 more is totally random. Intentionally queues, get someone bad geared or in "wrong" spec for piss easy content. Then proceedes to remove them.

    wow community at the most finest.

    What, you will save a few minutes or maybe seconds?

  4. #184
    Tanks are GREAT in IEs, I love them. But I only do weeklys as BM Hunter now, so I'm my own tank.

    The worst is when you're doing a leveling one with 3 casters. What a shitshow.

  5. #185
    Quote Originally Posted by crono14 View Post
    Cause most people on these forums believe and MMO is a single-player casual experience. Playing with other people in an MMO? That's unheard of. /sarcasm

    I would be willing to bet pugging nowadays in WoW would be a horrible experience.
    Pugging has always been a bad experience in wow, but probably more so now than ever before. People got no patience, tolarence or even social skills. Its all about me-me-me, and anyone who for a split second is "in the way" they just get removed.

    People either play solo or have a set group of friends, beyond that they dont give a flying F about anyone else.

  6. #186
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    Doing 6x4 islands every week. Never kicked once.

    But I kicked a few smartass who know that you can't be kicked the first 2 minutes of the expeditions and come back after that trying to fake activity. Or simple total garbage afk or healers doing nothing outside following you "in case you need healing".

    Simple fact : don't be a smartass, pull your own weight, and no kick every will happen to you. Really that simple.
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  7. #187
    Quote Originally Posted by Palapop View Post
    No one should EVER be forced to join as specific class/race/spec. If they wanted fast run, they should have made 3/3 premade group.
    This guy should write a ticket to GM tbh. Island expedition (and other features in-game) content IS designed for ALL classes/specs/races.
    Just the same I have the option to decide who I want to play with in an expedition. I can vote kick someone if I feel they are not pulling their weight and unless it is the week where there is the healer item they are not pulling their weight and I have the right to vote kick someone. If the other person in the island agrees that player 3 is not contributing then they get the boot(it is simple as that)

  8. #188
    Quote Originally Posted by Chaelexi View Post
    Just the same I have the option to decide who I want to play with in an expedition. I can vote kick someone if I feel they are not pulling their weight and unless it is the week where there is the healer item they are not pulling their weight and I have the right to vote kick someone. If the other person in the island agrees that player 3 is not contributing then they get the boot(it is simple as that)
    Exactly, that's how majority should work. But special snowflakes want to join island expeditions with artificial gimped specs and feel "cheated" when the team agrees on kicking them out for not pulling their weight. I mean surely since the healer doesn't care about his time (joins as a healer, so gives no shit on efficiency) he can easily waste 2-3 tries until he finds a group that carries him. Or could it be that most healers also value their time? Why doesn't he value my time then and switches to DPS? Easy, and optimal solution is to vote-kick the slacker that is unwilling to change spec.
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  9. #189
    Do people even lose island expeditions? ...Can you?

  10. #190
    Quote Originally Posted by Still Rampant Rabbit View Post
    Do people even lose island expeditions? ...Can you?
    It's not about what you can or can't do, it's about the fact that it's expected to join a group and be the best version of your character you can be. What's next? Since you can't lose an island expedition we should all do it in greens because "you can" but it takes 10x as long? Weak reasoning from you.

  11. #191
    Quote Originally Posted by Qnubi View Post
    It's not about what you can or can't do, it's about the fact that it's expected to join a group and be the best version of your character you can be. What's next? Since you can't lose an island expedition we should all do it in greens because "you can" but it takes 10x as long? Weak reasoning from you.
    Reasoning? What reasoning? Why are you so hostile? I was asking a question. Holy fuck man.

    To get to the point though... You have to be a right cunt for kicking a healer for impeding your ability to complete a mindnumbing farming sequence.

    Are you really better off kicking someone for being a healer and continuing with 2 players instead of 3, than simply doing the objectives with said healer? As long as he/she is not afking or clearly leeching, why would you even be that guy?

    What if that is the player's best version of his/her character as the player is absolute shit as a DPS due to never playing a DPS spec? Are you going to presume that because you can now switch on demand, that player is able to effectively play the specs that player doesn't main? Wouldn't THAT cause it to take 10x as long?


    Man...

  12. #192
    Quote Originally Posted by Still Rampant Rabbit View Post
    Reasoning? What reasoning? Why are you so hostile? I was asking a question. Holy fuck man.

    To get to the point though... You have to be a right cunt for kicking a healer for impeding your ability to complete a mindnumbing farming sequence.

    Are you really better off kicking someone for being a healer and continuing with 2 players instead of 3, than simply doing the objectives with said healer? As long as he/she is not afking or clearly leeching, why would you even be that guy?

    What if that is the player's best version of his/her character as the player is absolute shit as a DPS due to never playing a DPS spec? Are you going to presume that because you can now switch on demand, that player is able to effectively play the specs that player doesn't main? Wouldn't THAT cause it to take 10x as long?


    Man...
    I am not hostile, not to you anyway, calm down.
    And if you felt uneasy with my response then rest assured it is not my intention to make you feel that way. I was just pointing out "because you can" is not the greatest argument in this case.

    When I tell a healer to spec to his DPS spec and get a response that he doesn't know what to do I will even give a basic AoE rotation since I have played most (basically every class except Monk) at level 120 in BFA. And even if that still would result in less DPS than a Healer DPS, I happily let that guy practice in this run. At least he's TRYING to be better than what he used to be. It's not really about the numbers in the end, just don't pretend you are giving it your all when I see you in heal spec when you could be in DPS. Imagine two hunter only auto-attacking because they feel like doing that. I am sure even a healer would get annoyed at that sooner or later and would tell them to start actually trying.
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  13. #193
    Quote Originally Posted by Zephire View Post
    It's also not designed to not alow healers and tanks. If you have a healer and two dps, then you risk more and you can pull more. Adjust your play style to optimize the healer. Completely understandable to remove someone not helping or being afk. However, in my opinion, since it's just a random pick up group I'd use kick extremely sparingly.

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    Sucks to be you in that situation! Damn unlucky.
    Are you confused? I'm explaining the rationale behind why people do it. I'm not asking for your permission or approval, neither of which I care about or need. There is no right answer. It's an opinion and a choice people have to make for themselves. You can do whatever you want to do. Take all the time you want. Feel free to do you. Me? I'll be utilizing my option to vote kick because I don't want to carry you. Don't like it? Queue with a group. That's your option. Regurgitating your opinion to me isn't going to change my mind.

  14. #194
    Quote Originally Posted by Ealyssa View Post
    Doing 6x4 islands every week. Never kicked once.

    But I kicked a few smartass who know that you can't be kicked the first 2 minutes of the expeditions and come back after that trying to fake activity. Or simple total garbage afk or healers doing nothing outside following you "in case you need healing".

    Simple fact : don't be a smartass, pull your own weight, and no kick every will happen to you. Really that simple.
    Joined a run today. The guy I replaced had either been kicked or left. Blizzard apparently thought it was a good idea that if you are only 2 members left in the IE, 1 guy counts as a majority. So in theory whoever clicks first, can kick the other. This theory became real for me today.

    A few seconds after I join, 1 of the other guys gets kicked. I did not get an option to vote on this, so 1 of them kicked the other while they were 2. I then mount up and start moving out. I pull a few mobs, a 3rd member join, and as soon as I leave combat, I get kicked, having just joined the group.


    I rarely get kicked from pugs, but over the years it has happened quite a few times, and it has ALWAYS been either somebody randomly voting to kick after I (in a non aggressive way) told them to improve their performance (while I was the one doing the heavy carrying). Usually followed by some smug remark about how I shouldn't tell them how to play their game, OR a group of friends randomly kicking me at the end of a dungeon for "the lulz". This time it wasn't even a group, it was a single person kicking 2 others. Great design Blizz.

    If anything, your advice is counterproductive, since I have never gotten kicked on some low geared alts leeching along, only when playing my main and hardcarrying the group. And it's usually the aggressive smartass doing the kick, not the other way around. The reason why the kick goes through a lot of times is because people just see something pop up on their screen and instinctively click yes, only realising that it was a vote to kick after the vote has already passed. I know I've been guilty of this myself a few times, despite being fundamentally against it. This is especailly true in LFR, but happens in smaller groups aswell. The amount of times when the group collectively denies the kick, and then kicks the smartass instead is a small minority.



    On topic about Healers/Tanks in IEs. While 3 Dps is the fastest IF all 3 are geared and playing properly, this is very rarely the case in pugs. If I'm playing a geared character, I will always prefer a personal Healer or Tank instead of some shitty Dps just tagging along. The Tank can keep mobs off me, while the Healer can spotheal me, allowing me to do way bigger pulls and playing more offensively. A good geared character doing big pulls without having to think about defensives is a much bigger Dps gain than doing smaller pulls with another Dps just tagging along hitting the mobs like a wet noodle.

    The amount of resistance towards Healers/Tanks in this thread seems quite bizarre. A Healer/Tank following and supporting a well geared Dps will speed up the IE a lot more than a shitty Dps just following you around.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Still Rampant Rabbit View Post
    Do people even lose island expeditions? ...Can you?
    you can lose Mythic difficulty island exps easily if you and your group are not coordinated lol

  16. #196
    I hate getting kicked for island expos too. I go as healer on my priest. I'm expected to follow everyone around, which i usually do. you are less likely to be kicked if you stay with the other two people.

    And seriously... if you go as a healer, follow the highest dps, keep them alive and pick up the chests. I went on my demon hunter once. I was 30 i levels higher than the holy priest and 50 i levels higher than the other person. I managed to win the event, but barely. I asked her why she didn't heal me. She replied because I didn't follow her >.<

  17. #197
    Quote Originally Posted by niil945 View Post
    Are you confused? I'm explaining the rationale behind why people do it. I'm not asking for your permission or approval, neither of which I care about or need. There is no right answer. It's an opinion and a choice people have to make for themselves. You can do whatever you want to do. Take all the time you want. Feel free to do you. Me? I'll be utilizing my option to vote kick because I don't want to carry you. Don't like it? Queue with a group. That's your option. Regurgitating your opinion to me isn't going to change my mind.
    Ah man, did I sound that harsh? I just thought your argument about "not being designed to need tank/healer" was flawed, nothing more. I also thought that I could tell you about my view, so that you know how others think. While the choice to do whatever is yours, you now know more (if you didn't, which you prob did) and with that you can make a more informed choice.

    It was not meant to bash your side or "convert" you... Don't you think you could play more agressive with a healer though? Is it really ineffective if you play according to that? I'm not asking you to do it, just what you think, if you give it Another thought.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rozz View Post
    I think kicking people before the gait opens is being extreme, but ignoring the reason why people get annoyed in the first place is just as ignorant.
    If someone in a random group for a normal/heroic Island Expedition is getting annoyed - enough to kick another player just for playing a healer, then the problem is the person getting annoyed. Sorry, but people who take that attitude are nothing more than entitled little shits with a massively inflated sense of self importance. It's that simple.

  19. #199
    I was never kicked from islands, however, (a) I was only queuing for islands as a tank, wouldn't queue as a healer, because, as said, healers are mostly useless there, and (b) I did not do a lot of islands, as in, I don't do the weekly at all and don't track it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raelbo View Post
    If someone in a random group for a normal/heroic Island Expedition is getting annoyed - enough to kick another player just for playing a healer, then the problem is the person getting annoyed. Sorry, but people who take that attitude are nothing more than entitled little shits with a massively inflated sense of self importance. It's that simple.
    You could say the same thing about someone who choose to inconvenience 2/3 of members of their group and get upset because people dislike it. It is a random environment with random people you don't know. It's more entitled to feel you should never have to change your style of play in a group setting with strangers, than it is to find annoyance with said person. "I'm a healer, will always be a healer, and I demand to play as a healer" Well that's nice, but you're not entitled to play with people who don't want to deal with that, especially randoms.

    Now I'm not advocating kicking all healers, but the holier art thou attitude in this thread is eye roll worthy. It's not a grand conspiracy, it's just healers being held to the same standards as any group activity in the game - if you aren't compatible with the group's wants/needs you get kicked. The healing role isn't a necessity in IEs, so if you refuse to dps or change spec when your group asks they have the right to be annoyed and kick.
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