Blizzard is not acting like BFA is failing

[Freshouttajail]

Is it just me or is Blizzard just acting like everything is fine?

Outside of Classic forum communication is non existent, only info we have is directly from Ion with vague promises, 8.2 PTR is not up for a MAJORRRR game changing patch, Lore has been dead silent except insulting people on the forums, devs have been afraid to communicate bugs when reported/confirm them.

The list just keeps going. Every single thing I see Ion listing out was reported far prior to BFA even launching but how many had to quit and get fired before he decided to put his hubris aside and admit something is broken?

Nowhere in his interviews is he addressing the casino that is BFA right now and if anything has embraced it even further in dev Q&A's which are few and far between. Where in the hell are the class devs? People are beyond pissed right now about class design and the pruning but there is nothing. Who in the hell looks at prot warriors in MDI right now and does not thing that is just broken and crowding out other tanks that need buffs?

Guilds have been turned into glorified raid log communities as people are just disillusioned at what is going on right now. Where is the 8.2 hype on the PTR? Atleast then you could get people motivated to stay with the game and not just give up.

You're just a hater who wants to see Blizzard explicitly say "we failed, BFA sucked" just to have your feelings validated.
They know they failed, they don't need to scream it on the rooftop, you just see them as the enemy when they are not. They're just human beings doing the best they can at the job they have and if that's not good enough for you, you are free to go shop anywhere else. You are not entitled to an apology from them just to make you hard.

They know that at this point they can't make enough changes in a patch to really make people change their mind. They need something gigantic to really change people's perception of the game and that can only happen in an xpack. So acting like 8.2 will change everything is a waste of time and a lie, saying they will make awesome changes in the future is also a waste of time because no one gives a shit unless they actually see it in action and of course they won't have anything to show for a very long time.

This is just a case of take a break, go outside, wait to see what's in store for the next xpack. This is WoW, it's one game amonst millions, it's not a religion or a lifestyle, just a timesink like all other entertainment, you can go do anything else really, it's the smallest deal ever.

[Onikaroshi]

I can't tell you, I am not an active FF14 player. It was just a nod at Blizzard usually failing at using community feedback (acquiring azerite armor was way too random at launch) and probably Square Enix utilizing the Feedback better than Blizzard since you asked how Yoshida knows what the players want.

They're not ALWAYS receptive, but if it's something big they usually are. They did something a few patches ago that had backlash akin to the GCD backlash, the change only lasted a week or two before it was hotfixed.

But sometimes when it comes to class design stuff (like the spammyness of DRK) they come and say that they can't fix it until an expansion, but they'll do something to help next patch, next patch comes around and they add another spell to the Dark Arts spammyness of DRK.... there's still a lot of disconnect.

[Slowpoke is a Gamer]

They're not ALWAYS receptive, but if it's something big they usually are. They did something a few patches ago that had backlash akin to the GCD backlash, the change only lasted a week or two before it was hotfixed.

But sometimes when it comes to class design stuff (like the spammyness of DRK) they come and say that they can't fix it until an expansion, but they'll do something to help next patch, next patch comes around and they add another spell to the Dark Arts spammyness of DRK.... there's still a lot of disconnect.

WoW players are basically pre-programmed to hate anything that happens. Also doesn't help that the way WoW is built "We can't fix this until next expansion" means rolling a whole new character.

[Monolithi]

I can't tell you, I am not an active FF14 player. It was just a nod at Blizzard usually failing at using community feedback (acquiring azerite armor was way too random at launch) and probably Square Enix utilizing the Feedback better than Blizzard since you asked how Yoshida knows what the players want.

Community feedback is somehow representative? How many people actually gave that feedback?
You obviously think azerite armour is badly presented, I think it was fine. So, how should Blizzard act if two of us have opposite opinions?

[Onikaroshi]

WoW players are basically pre-programmed to hate anything that happens. Also doesn't help that the way WoW is built "We can't fix this until next expansion" means rolling a whole new character.

I mean, wow could at least ATTEMPT to balance specs somewhat.... they don't even do that much. If someone did decent damage but the class wasn't great to play it would still see play to "wait it out".


Granted shamans have been waiting since the day they were born....

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Don't go tossing facts into their cherished negative narrative, RoKPaNda!

Actually the last sales call showed decline in wow so it wasn't meeting expectations, and that's a fact as well :P

but because it was off a decent Expansion and people didn't think blizz could screw up that badly they let it go and bought the expansion leading to record sales numbers which made it look better than it was.

[Slowpoke is a Gamer]

I mean, wow could at least ATTEMPT to balance specs somewhat.... they don't even do that much. If someone did decent damage but the class wasn't great to play it would still see play to "wait it out".


Granted shamans have been waiting since the day they were born....

Shaman's have been waiting to be fixed since the day they lost Totems. Instead they got... Maelstrom....

[Qnubi]

Community feedback is somehow representative? How many people actually gave that feedback?
You obviously think azerite armour is badly presented, I think it was fine. So, how should Blizzard act if two of us have opposite opinions?

No, I was neutral on that topic since I had good RNG and got 370 pieces very early on in the expansion, but I know of several people that were stuck on 340 for an eternity because they either didn't get higher ilvl pieces or the traits sucked too much. Blizzard should act on the majority if it aligns with their vision of the game. If they want RNG heavy loot distribution and most players enjoy that, sure. Since it's obvious that the game is losing more players than returning ones we can assume that approach is bad/wrong.

[Sanguinerd]

Community feedback is somehow representative? How many people actually gave that feedback?
You obviously think azerite armour is badly presented, I think it was fine. So, how should Blizzard act if two of us have opposite opinions?

Around here it seems people prefer the ones that whine most, cry hardest and scream loudest should be the only ones that get their way. Not getting it means Blizzard doesn't listen or care about the game and the people playing it.

Hell theres people with over 20k posts that cry about Blizzard every. single. day.

Why shouldn't someone like that get their way

They should've laid off lore to begin with. He doesn't do shit and looks like a homeless Weird Al.

I'm sure you'd do better right? Must be.. you know everything he does in a day.

[Slowpoke is a Gamer]

They should've laid off lore to begin with. He doesn't do shit and looks like a homeless Weird Al.

Ah yes because laying off a community manager really gets the point across better than laying off customer service.

Please, it's Ghostcrawler 2.0.

If you wanna get the dev team whipped, go for area heads. Lead Class Designer, Lead Raid Developer, the entire story team.

[Eleccybubb]

Ah yes because laying off a community manager really gets the point across better than laying off customer service.

Please, it's Ghostcrawler 2.0.

If you wanna get the dev team whipped, go for area heads. Lead Class Designer, Lead Raid Developer, the entire story team.

But let's fire actual good CMs like Ysithiens yeah?

[Sanguinerd]

I'm not from California. So yes I could.

Yeah armchair comfortable is it?

[crusadernero]

Why do people have the need to talk shit about certain members within Blizzard everytime a thread like this starts?

Is it something I dont know? Is it 1 person that decides what each xpac will be and they take turn within the company? They do coinflips on who the one person will be who will make all the decisions for wow in each future xpac?

Discuss what you like,dislike or want improved. But theres really no need to trashtalk individuals within Blizzard.

[TigTone]

Misery loves company, I would love to have important items like Wepaon artifacts again. They provided a lot of lore and felt good to have a piece of gear with “history” attached to it.

[glowpipe]

Maybe, just maybe, They sit with information we don't have and bfa didn't fail ? Vocal minority is nothing to base an assumption over.

It has issues, sure, but nothing is really pointing towards it failing

[Cosmic Janitor]

Then that means all video games, movies, books ever have failed. That's overly simplistic and doesn't even apply to individual entities within a portfolio. Some things will be up, some down. Some up a lot with a bad outlook, some down with a good outlook.

While the way to apply it needs to be more refined obviously, if you break it down for wow, a product that has been on the market for 14 odd years, then it is fairly simple...

[DarkAmbient]

Like I said, if you think the situations are in any way comparable, you're very stupid. And I'm not even saying BfA is great or good, but FF14 was unplayable originally.

Two companies each produce a turd, one apologies, one doesn't. The size of the turd is irrelevant.

[Rawrajishxc]

Probably a functioning community team that connects the players with the devs and designers.

Exactly, WoW players wouldn't know what that's like lol.

[Varvara Spiros Gelashvili]

Even though BfA is awful right now, Blizz are not gonna say anything even remotely like "it's failing" to the general public. It's their current product. You won't get anything close to that kind of acknowledgement until the next expansion is close to release.

I hope they get there shit together or make a mop realm. Once mop drops, I'm done with every other version of the game cause the solo pvp was so fk good.

[GlitchedTV]

Have you read the interviews ? They keep talking about things that didnt work... 23K posts on mmo-C and hating the game ? What the hell

I think he hates the current state of the game and so do I. I hate what they did to the game I have been playing for over a decade, it is heartbreaking.
I do agree with you that they are fully aware and are admitting it all the time, but this is the internet ofc people complain just for the sake of complaining.

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Two companies each produce a turd, one apologies, one doesn't. The size of the turd is irrelevant.

The smell is relevant however.

[Revamp Man]

I do take wod over bfa on any given day. At least i had a functional class back then

You had a functional class with 0 content outside of raiding