Was the battle of Dazar'alor a fiasco for the Alliance?

[Felixon]

People are blaming Sylvanas for killing her own troops and bringing them back as undead in Lordaeron - it definetely was a ruthless tactic,but a tactic nonetheless. Yet,nobody actually bothers to discuss the another brilliant plan of Anduin Wrynn and his advisors - a sacrifice of hundreds of soldiers only to draw the attention of the Horde and attack the Zandalari capital.

Lorewise, at the current moment,we have an Alliance army which is divided - the night elves and the worgen are fighting for the Darkshore,yet, amongst the ranks of the Alliance troops,which are sent to a certain deaths,we see worgen and the night elves (you know,they are already quite few in numbers after the burning of Teldrassil,yet these is a bunch of them to be sent to the gates of Dazar'alor). And what did we actually achieve? We killed off a random zandalari paladin, a random mage and monk, a weapon we brought along with us, a vault's guardian, some random loa avatars and Rastakhan himself and a bulk of zandalari (not the Horde forces). In exchange,we lost a hundreds of soldiers, Mekkatorque,who probably will return as mechagnome and with it bring an allied race nobody will actually bother to play, two powerful tidesages,and a a few ships. The Zandalari fleet is in ruins,and that is the main gain from this attack - a thought,that by killing Rastakhan zandalari would turn their backs on the Horde proves,that either current writers should change their profession and never attempt to write anything again or it was an intended portrayal of the Alliance leadership as a bunch of fools,who can't think at least one step ahead (at least Tyrande and Malfurion didn't take part in it). Could the fleet be destroyed without an actual attack? Ofcourse - after all,the bombs were planted and all that was necessary,was to push the button - a mission for one rogue.

Lorewise,Blizzard is portraying this as a major victory for the Alliance,with Wyrmbane and Shaw bragging,that a victory over the Horde is a matter of few weeks. I don't understand why would they state such thing - even if the Horde would lose their staging ground in Zuldazar,they would still have a control over pretty much whole Kalimdor and north of Eastern Kingdoms. The Alliance would have a Kul Tiran fleet,yet this war is not being fought only on the water and the fleet can't devastate every Horde city from the water,thus,the whole argument,that navy will win this war is quite stupid.

I personally think,that Alliance lost more than it gained from this battle and it would be interesting,if current leadership of the Alliance,which consists solely of humans,would face consequences from their allies,which would even lead to division of the Alliance. If Horde's leaders express their thoughts about Sylvanas's actions in Lordaeron,why would the Alliance leaders be happy about such a dull and stupid tactic? What do you think?

[cparle87]

The Zandalari fleet is in ruins,and that is the main gain from this attack - a thought,that by killing Rastakhan zandalari would turn their backs on the Horde proves,that either current writers should change their profession and never attempt to write anything again or it was an intended portrayal of the Alliance leadership as a bunch of fools,who can't think at least one step ahead (at least Tyrande and Malfurion didn't take part in it). Could the fleet be destroyed without an actual attack? Ofcourse - after all,the bombs were planted and all that was necessary,was to push the button - a mission for one rogue.

The Alliance are showing that they don't understand why motivates the Horde. They link they can trash Dazar'alor, kill Rastakhan, and the Zandalari will go "We should've known better than to ally with you Horde. We did, and look what it got us! We're through!"

The Alliance completely forgot that the bonds that hold the Horde together are literally "we're down on our luck and need friends to recover and grow, and there's only one group out there who will accept us."

[funf]

I think the goal of the alliance in this attack was to destroy the Zandalari fleet and to capture their king and not to kill him. By doing this, the tactical value of the Zandalari would drasticly diminish and they wouldn't be usefull ally to the horde.

Unfortunatly for the alliance, the king could not surrender and they had to kill him while they weren't able to capture the new ruler who was able in return to command her troops to nearly kill 2 heroes of the alliance. Thus showing that even with a limited fleet the Zandalari are still a strong power in this region of the world.

Its not completly a fiasco for the alliance, because they didn't loose that many troops during this battle. Jaina can still fight and Mekkatorque isn't that important to the alliance and will probably be back in the next patch.

We also don't know how the fights in Nazmir ended. We assume that the alliance troops there died, but maybe some of them were able to retreat when the horde soldiers rushed to the rescue of the city.

The Kultiran fleet can be used to prevent reinforcement to come to the aid of the northern region of the eastern kingdom. This will help the alliance to retake these regions.

[MatthiasVonTzeskagrad]

People are blaming Sylvanas for killing her own troops and bringing them back as undead in Lordaeron - it definetely was a ruthless tactic,but a tactic nonetheless. Yet,nobody actually bothers to discuss the another brilliant plan of Anduin Wrynn and his advisors - a sacrifice of hundreds of soldiers only to draw the attention of the Horde and attack the Zandalari capital.

Lorewise, at the current moment,we have an Alliance army which is divided - the night elves and the worgen are fighting for the Darkshore,yet, amongst the ranks of the Alliance troops,which are sent to a certain deaths,we see worgen and the night elves (you know,they are already quite few in numbers after the burning of Teldrassil,yet these is a bunch of them to be sent to the gates of Dazar'alor). And what did we actually achieve? We killed off a random zandalari paladin, a random mage and monk, a weapon we brought along with us, a vault's guardian, some random loa avatars and Rastakhan himself and a bulk of zandalari (not the Horde forces). In exchange,we lost a hundreds of soldiers, Mekkatorque,who probably will return as mechagnome and with it bring an allied race nobody will actually bother to play, two powerful tidesages,and a a few ships. The Zandalari fleet is in ruins,and that is the main gain from this attack - a thought,that by killing Rastakhan zandalari would turn their backs on the Horde proves,that either current writers should change their profession and never attempt to write anything again or it was an intended portrayal of the Alliance leadership as a bunch of fools,who can't think at least one step ahead (at least Tyrande and Malfurion didn't take part in it). Could the fleet be destroyed without an actual attack? Ofcourse - after all,the bombs were planted and all that was necessary,was to push the button - a mission for one rogue.

Lorewise,Blizzard is portraying this as a major victory for the Alliance,with Wyrmbane and Shaw bragging,that a victory over the Horde is a matter of few weeks. I don't understand why would they state such thing - even if the Horde would lose their staging ground in Zuldazar,they would still have a control over pretty much whole Kalimdor and north of Eastern Kingdoms. The Alliance would have a Kul Tiran fleet,yet this war is not being fought only on the water and the fleet can't devastate every Horde city from the water,thus,the whole argument,that navy will win this war is quite stupid.

I personally think,that Alliance lost more than it gained from this battle and it would be interesting,if current leadership of the Alliance,which consists solely of humans,would face consequences from their allies,which would even lead to division of the Alliance. If Horde's leaders express their thoughts about Sylvanas's actions in Lordaeron,why would the Alliance leaders be happy about such a dull and stupid tactic? What do you think?

The only reason on why it can be considered anything else but a decisive victory is the terrible strategic mindset Anduin had about the whole business (so, instead of considering destruction of the fleet and rampaging through its armies the main goal, he actually thinks this was to try them to leave the Horde like both Zandalari and Horde were moronic sadsacks and were not open to still gang up for revenge), and their pitiful concept of "not taking advantage of a broken Zandalar because that'd be Sylvanas Windrunner evil".

Like it were'nt evil to let your people die without even trying to reduce casualties and make their sacrifices all the worth you can.

[Felixon]

The only reason on why it can be considered anything else but a decisive victory is the terrible strategic mindset Anduin had about the whole business (so, instead of considering destruction of the fleet and rampaging through its armies the main goal, he actually thinks this was to try them to leave the Horde like both Zandalari and Horde were moronic sadsacks and were not open to still gang up for revenge), and their pitiful concept of "not taking advantage of a broken Zandalar because that'd be Sylvanas Windrunner evil".

Like it were'nt evil to let your people die without even trying to reduce casualties and make their sacrifices all the worth you can.

I don't know why the leaders of the Alliance still follow Anduin - say whatever you want about Tyrande and Malfurion and their poor portrayal in the Legion,but at least they act like the leaders of their people,who actually want to regain their homeland,and thus,are not going to agree with all the peace crap Anduin brings up. Anduin should've lost his status as the leader of the Alliance forces after the Burning of Teldrassil.

It was his fault that this happened. Those were his agents,who blindly followed and believed every single word they heard in Orgrimmar. If not the Shaw's "agents",the Teldrassil would still be where it was. Instead,he kept his status,and because of his and Greymane's stupidity,they lost a bulk of forces,because who needs the gas masks,if you fight Sylvanas,right? And now this - an intended sacrifice of hundreds of the Alliance soldiers only to blow up the ships (which could be done without the attack) and to kindly ask a troll king to surrender to them. If that wasn't enough,after hearing the reports of his lieutenants,he starts to talk about what is right and decides,that attacking the Horde now would be bad - let's allow the enemy to lick his wounds and lose additional thousands of soldiers,because it's honorable.

[Mehrunes]

I mean, it's Alliance. Them sucking at war and surviving just because some plot contrivance (usually some infighting within the Horde) has been their entire shtick as far as the faction conflict goes since forever.

[StationaryHawk]

Lorewise,Blizzard is portraying this as a major victory for the Alliance,with Wyrmbane and Shaw bragging,that a victory over the Horde is a matter of few weeks.

Wyrmbane and Shaw are portraying this as a major victory for the Alliance. Anduin then goes on to say that he's not so sure, given their losses and the likelihood that the Zandalari have been driven closer to the Horde.

Regardless, without a navy to oppose them, the Alliance controls the oceans. Without the ability to actually land their troops conveniently in the Eastern Kingdoms, the Horde can't hope to siege any of the Alliance's major cities.

Then again, we just had a battle that was the result of the Alliance landing a fleet of ships, and building several siege towers, right on Tirisfal's coast without any opposition despite the Forsaken having their own fleet.

[Varodoc]

even if the Horde would lose their staging ground in Zuldazar,they would still have a control over pretty much whole Kalimdor and north of Eastern Kingdoms.

Except that Nathanos himself states that they are losing on every front, so the Alliance is winning EVERYWHERE.

How ironic that Sylvanas started a war to ensure Horde domination across the world, and yet only led the Horde to the brink of annihilation. A shame that Varian is dead and his gullible son lacks the guts to push the advantage and end the war. Then again, if Varian was still alive, the war wouldn't have started in the first place.

[Skulltaker]

Lorewise,Blizzard is portraying this as a major victory for the Alliance,with Wyrmbane and Shaw bragging,that a victory over the Horde is a matter of few weeks. I don't understand why would they state such thing - even if the Horde would lose their staging ground in Zuldazar,they would still have a control over pretty much whole Kalimdor and north of Eastern Kingdoms. The Alliance would have a Kul Tiran fleet,yet this war is not being fought only on the water and the fleet can't devastate every Horde city from the water,thus,the whole argument,that navy will win this war is quite stupid.

I personally think,that Alliance lost more than it gained from this battle and it would be interesting,if current leadership of the Alliance,which consists solely of humans,would face consequences from their allies,which would even lead to division of the Alliance. If Horde's leaders express their thoughts about Sylvanas's actions in Lordaeron,why would the Alliance leaders be happy about such a dull and stupid tactic? What do you think?

The Zandalari were the only nation with a navy that could rival Kul Tiras. All other nations, including the Horde or the Alliance as a whole, don't get even close. In a pure naval battle both the Zandalari and Kul'Tiras could annihalate the Horde or the Alliance. Not only because they hold superior numbers, but also because they employ strong specialized magic users tailord to naval combat, have superior ships and tactics.

Now, the Zandalari Fleet is gone. The Horde has completly lost its ability to move meaningful numbers of troops from continent to continent, because what ships they have left get completly and utterly outmatched by the Kul Tiran fleet. Despite gamplay features, teleports and portals for even groups of people are relativly rare. See what was needed for the Dark Portal. If you're fighting a war across 4 continents, and only one combatant has the ability to move it's troops and ressources across the seas, the other side has all but lost. The Alliance can simply ignore Zandalar and all troops there, since they have no way to go anywhere. Troops in the Eastern Kingdoms are now completly cut off of any meaningful support.

What good is it for the Zandalari that they are now more united with the Horde than ever, if they can't go anywhere? A rabid dog in a cage is harmless. The greatest army in the world is useless, if it cannot go where the fighting is.

There is no reason for tension amongst the ranks of the Alliance. Opposed to the Horde, they understand and respect each other, and work together for the benefit of all. Why would they be angry at what is, for now, the deciding victory in the war?

[Rozz]

Look, I think you're entirely right that nothing makes sense about how the Alliance armies which were depicted to be battered, fractured, and scraping by are somehow going to win the war in a few weeks. The only way they can expect to 'win' in a few weeks, is if they mean:
-All the Horde nations are willing to agree to a ceasefire the second they lose both warfronts.
-They're only "winning" these immediate battles but the overall war and power struggle between both remains.
-The Zandalari were supposed to be the bulk of Horde offenses, ignoring the assets the other races still offer.

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The Zandalari were the only nation with a navy that could rival Kul Tiras. All other nations, including the Horde or the Alliance as a whole, don't get even close. In a pure naval battle both the Zandalari and Kul'Tiras could annihalate the Horde or the Alliance. Not only because they hold superior numbers, but also because they employ strong specialized magic users tailord to naval combat, have superior ships and tactics.

Now, the Zandalari Fleet is gone. The Horde has completly lost its ability to move meaningful numbers of troops from continent to continent, because what ships they have left get completly and utterly outmatched by the Kul Tiran fleet. Despite gamplay features, teleports and portals for even groups of people are relativly rare. See what was needed for the Dark Portal. If you're fighting a war across 4 continents, and only one combatant has the ability to move it's troops and ressources across the seas, the other side has all but lost. The Alliance can simply ignore Zandalar and all troops there, since they have no way to go anywhere. Troops in the Eastern Kingdoms are now completly cut off of any meaningful support.

What good is it for the Zandalari that they are now more united with the Horde than ever, if they can't go anywhere? A rabid dog in a cage is harmless. The greatest army in the world is useless, if it cannot go where the fighting is.

There is no reason for tension amongst the ranks of the Alliance. Opposed to the Horde, they understand and respect each other, and work together for the benefit of all. Why would they be angry at what is, for now, the deciding victory in the war?

Only the same writing team that said this major advantage could win the Alliance the war have also proven major advantages mean nothing against superior tactics. It's like with UC, the Alliance was strong enough to charge in but had no means to protect itself from the Forsaken's asset - Blight. They've almost always had an advantage in numbers, travel, and technology, which have consistently proven to not be enough to 'end it'. Trapping the Horde to their own land is easy enough, but seiging them is an entirely different story. The win won't be a cake walk unless the Horde forces decide to give up before the battle was brought to their own turf. Plus Sylvanas doesn't need to help the BEs, they could easily hold their own like the NEs considering their barrier and that Suramar-Silvermoon magisters can teleport themselves to maintain it.

I don't feel like the war is anywhere near over, it just feels like the Horde got tired of fighting after Sylvanas' plans didn't work so they want to quit. In contrast the Alliance won victories in the face of tragic losses to win a war the other Horde leaders are apathetic towards. Nothing feels properly resolved or set up for a good conclusion.

[Skulltaker]

Only the same writing team that said this major advantage could win the Alliance the war have also proven major advantages mean nothing against superior tactics. It's like with UC, the Alliance was strong enough to charge in but had no means to protect itself from the Forsaken's asset - Blight. They've almost always had an advantage in numbers, travel, and technology, which have consistently proven to not be enough to 'end it'. Trapping the Horde to their own land is easy enough, but seiging them is an entirely different story. The win won't be a cake walk unless the Horde forces decide to give up before the battle was brought to their own turf. Plus Sylvanas doesn't need to help the BEs, they could easily hold their own like the NEs considering their barrier and that Suramar-Silvermoon magisters can teleport themselves to maintain it.

I don't feel like the war is anywhere near over, it just feels like the Horde got tired of fighting after Sylvanas' plans didn't work so they want to quit. In contrast the Alliance won victories in the face of tragic losses to win a war the other Horde leaders are apathetic towards. Nothing feels properly resolved or set up for a good conclusion.

Yes, but the one and only reason for this is that the game needs there to be two factions. If this was an actual story driven game Durotars most prominent feature would be the 'Great Orgrimmar Memorial Crater'. We have two factions with Plot Armour so thick that it has a noticable gravitational pull.

Doesn't change the fact that, currently, the Alliance is winning the war at all fronts. It's the current narrative. Of course it will change with 8.2, 8.2.5 at the latest. Every single operation the Horde has started has backfired imensly.

Also, laying siege to Orgrimmar is easy enough. The Horde has no actual strongholds. Orgrimmar cannot be sustained or held, neither can Thunder Bluff, nor Silvermoon. Not by itself. It's why all these people joined together in the first place.

I agree with you that it's far from over. And since they want to keep selling addons, it's not going to be over, anyway. If anybody expects that one side will actually dominate the other, he or she is deluding themselves, which makes the entire base concept of faction war beyond dumb. The entire plot of BfA is 'We ran out of ideas for cool villains and good stories, so instead, we make controversial ones. Did Sylvanas just commit genocide so we can keep interest in out 14 year old game going? Who knows? Sub for 3 months to find out a little more."

[Mehrunes]

Look, I think you're entirely right that nothing makes sense about how the Alliance armies which were depicted to be battered, fractured, and scraping by are somehow going to win the war in a few weeks.

The peasants the Alliance was forced to conscript at the start of that patch were apparently just what the Alliance needed.

[McNeil]

I don't think they gained as much as they think, if anything its quite the opposite. The Zandalari were fine helping out the Horde without having to join them, yet after the attack they were left with little choice and ended up joining with Talanji as the new leader. The Alliance killing off Rastakhan has only strengethed their relationship with the Horde, and are now lead by a much more compatible leader. All the bad stuff happening in all of Zuldazar was because of Rastakhan not willing to pay more attention and allowing his corrupted council to secretly pull tricks behind his back.

Though the loss of the Zandalari fleet is quite huge, as this means that the Alliance now control the seas. The Alliance's losses should also be quite huge if you look at all their huge armies being send to Nazmir for a suicide mission, then more armies trying to hold off the Horde coming back to the city, and all the ones attacking the rest of the city. The Horde has only lost very little in comparison. The Zandalari lost most of their city and King's guard, alongside a paladin, their gold elemental and some loa worshippers.

I don't get why the Alliance didn't just go after Orgrimmar instead. Destroying this place would have crippled the rest of the Horde, and even if the Zandalari were to send their fleet for aid they would still get blown off by the explosives. And they have much more reason to go after Sylvanas over Rastakhan, who ofcourse hasn't even done next to nothing against the Alliance.

[Newname1234567890]

I mean it could have gone better but it was successful. Talanji was already pro-Horde and the Zandalari were already helping the Horde war effort in a limited sense. It's not unreasonable to assume that in time the Zandalari would step up their support. At least this way a weaker Zandalari go full on Horde, not a stronger one.

[GrimReaper673]

Tactically, it made sense to attack Zandalar, just not for the reasons given in game. To cripple their fleet and to destroy their leadership are both solid reasons for an attack. They should've been there to kill Rastakhan on purpose, and to get Talanji while they were in town. It also would've made sense to finish the job by destroying as much of the city's infrastructure while you were there, limiting their ability to recover. No reason those ships couldn't have been pounding the city with cannon fire the whole time.

But if the primary purpose of the attack was to gain water superiority over the Horde, it would've been a better reason. Although they accomplished that regardless.

[Jester Joe]

I don't think they gained as much as they think, if anything its quite the opposite. The Zandalari were fine helping out the Horde without having to join them, yet after the attack they were left with little choice and ended up joining with Talanji as the new leader. The Alliance killing off Rastakhan has only strengethed their relationship with the Horde, and are now lead by a much more compatible leader. All the bad stuff happening in all of Zuldazar was because of Rastakhan not willing to pay more attention and allowing his corrupted council to secretly pull tricks behind his back.

Though the loss of the Zandalari fleet is quite huge, as this means that the Alliance now control the seas. The Alliance's losses should also be quite huge if you look at all their huge armies being send to Nazmir for a suicide mission, then more armies trying to hold off the Horde coming back to the city, and all the ones attacking the rest of the city. The Horde has only lost very little in comparison. The Zandalari lost most of their city and King's guard, alongside a paladin, their gold elemental and some loa worshippers.

I don't get why the Alliance didn't just go after Orgrimmar instead. Destroying this place would have crippled the rest of the Horde, and even if the Zandalari were to send their fleet for aid they would still get blown off by the explosives. And they have much more reason to go after Sylvanas over Rastakhan, who ofcourse hasn't even done next to nothing against the Alliance.

A huge army was sent to Nazmir yes, but the Zandalari and the Horde also sent a vast majority of their forces. And mind you, the Alliance managed to take the border completely to bait out the army. Both sides lost huge amounts of troops here.

I'm not sure where you're getting the Horde lost very little though. First off the Zandalari already lost a LOT before this, with Rezan's death and other loas being corrupted and killed (Bat, spider, and turtle).

Almost all of the original council that Rastakhan had is dead because they were traitors, including Zul which like it or not, he was a big asset. The escape from Stormwind in the first place only went as smoothly as it did because of him, hell I'd argue it was only possible because of him. Without the fire, Jaina would have prevented them from leaving.

This is a bit in contrast to Kul Tiras quests where you end up with a stronger group at the end. Yes, you kill off traitors in the "council" too but this also leads to the return of the Kul Tiras fleet in the end and the return of Jaina, whereas the Zandalari end up with their king being bound to Bwonsambi who could have helped save Rastakhan but chose to let him die instead.

They were already weaker going into this battle, and then they lost their King, their treasury was ransacked, and their entire fleet was blown up.

You even said it yourself. The Zandalari were fine just helping out the Horde, but now they HAVE to join them. That's not a sign of "We're still strong and dependent".

For your last part, the point of getting the Kul Tiras fleet was to go after the Horde. If the Zandalari still had their fleet, they would have went to help protect Orgrimmar, regardless of if they were actually part of the Horde or not yet officially. So that had to be taken out first.

[Mehrunes]

Though the loss of the Zandalari fleet is quite huge, as this means that the Alliance now control the seas.

It isn't really. The Horde will just pull a new fleet out of its ass in an afternoon just like the Alliance did after its navy was demolished in Tides of War.

[A Chozo]

They destroyed the Golden Fleet, dude.

Alliance still have their original boats + the might of Kul Tiras.

Alliance has the high ground for now.

[Mehrunes]

A huge army was sent to Nazmir yes, but the Zandalari and the Horde also sent a vast majority of their forces. And mind you, the Alliance managed to take the border completely to bait out the army. Both sides lost huge amounts of troops here.

The Alliance had to conscript peasants for that battle, as established by the second Traitorfang cinematic. Why would the Horde's losses be even remotely comparable to that of Alliance when they were fighting a peasant army with actual soldiers?

I'm not sure where you're getting the Horde lost very little though. First off the Zandalari already lost a LOT before this, with Rezan's death and other loas being corrupted and killed (Bat, spider, and turtle).

The Loa are immortal. The turtle already reincarnated. The Prelates that relied on Rezan are already back.

Almost all of the original council that Rastakhan had is dead because they were traitors, including Zul which like it or not, he was a big asset. The escape from Stormwind in the first place only went as smoothly as it did because of him, hell I'd argue it was only possible because of him. Without the fire, Jaina would have prevented them from leaving.

This is a bit in contrast to Kul Tiras quests where you end up with a stronger group at the end. Yes, you kill off traitors in the "council" too but this also leads to the return of the Kul Tiras fleet in the end and the return of Jaina, whereas the Zandalari end up with their king being bound to Bwonsambi who could have helped save Rastakhan but chose to let him die instead.

They were already weaker going into this battle, and then they lost their King, their treasury was ransacked, and their entire fleet was blown up.

Aside from the fact that the Stormwind scenario was pro-Alliance plot contrivance bonanza that magically turned a complete twerp at combat like Jaina, who previously was so crap at combat she couldn't even faze a random Blood Elf Archmage with all of her might (and that was in a book written by an author extremely favorable to Jaina) into some kind of magic demigoddess, Kul Tiran fleet was only restored to its status quo. They didn't magically pull new ships from the mist. They released the old ones. And as Jaina and Blanduin said before reaching out to Kul Tiras, the very point of doing so was to match the Zandalari fleet (it's just that they didn't know that it got trapped because no one had contact with Kul Tiras at the time). Releasing the fleet wasn't giving Kul Tiras some kind of an immense boost over the Zandalari that you present it to be. It merely equalized them, as established at the very start of the story. The claim that the Zandalari lost their entire fleet is also false.

For your last part, the point of getting the Kul Tiras fleet was to go after the Horde. If the Zandalari still had their fleet, they would have went to help protect Orgrimmar, regardless of if they were actually part of the Horde or not yet officially. So that had to be taken out first.

Again, the point of getting Kul Tirans was to match the Zandalari after Talanji escaped.

[Zyky]

We also don't know how the fights in Nazmir ended. We assume that the alliance troops there died, but maybe some of them were able to retreat when the horde soldiers rushed to the rescue of the city.

We do know, the Horde questline shows we go there push them back into Nazmir, then back to the blood troll camp, kill the majority of them, then we reach the beach. That's when the Battle for Dazar'alor starts.