Star Wars Episode IX: The Rise of Skywalker

[BigToast]

"Let the past die, kill it if you have to." #Lando #Palpatine #nostalgia

[Goldielocks]

Are you saying Leia isn't a Skywalker because her last name is Organa?

That actually is a very apt comparison. If Rey becomes a Skywalker it will be because of a retcon, just like how Leia originally wasn't a Skywalker until ROTJ and was originally Organa by blood rather than by adoption.

[PACOX]

Comparing Luke to being a mary sue like Rey? WHAT? There was build up for Luke and he struggled to go against Vader and eventually came back and beat him.There is deleted footage of Luke training with Yoda in Dagobah. Rey gets a lightsaber and can go against Kylo like nothing. Comparing Luke being a Mary Sue to Rey is just stupid.

Deleted footage doesn't count. Leia's natural affinity to the saber after training with her staff all her life is akin to Luke being a good fighter pilot after racing T-16 all his life. She didn't magically learn how to fight with a weapon. A lightsaber is still just a weapon at the end of the day. Also not once has she gone against Kylo like it was nothing, he never wanted to kill her. Same way Sidious could have offed Luke anytime he wanted to. Rey is a Mary Sue but Luke gets a pass at somehow being able to even attempt to challenge two of the greatest Sith same room?

[Ezekyler]

Luke was with Yoda for only 6 months. Rey has been training for an extended period of time as stated by JJ and the actors, as ep9 happens after a bit of time since TLJ.

The Last Jedi starts just were The Force Awakens ends, so there is no time lapse there and she was barely trained by Luke (2 of 3 lessons?). So in a lapse of time of days she's able to use the force to do Mind Tricks, fight with a Lightsaber, move a lot of rocks and other things that usually takes a lot of time to a Jedi to do but she can do without any training in a matter of days when is required. So she is a Mary Sue.

[Kokolums]

Oh god there's gotta be a redlettermedia review of the first trailer, musn't there?

[Shadowferal]

A light saber and a staff are very different weapons.

[PACOX]

Hes not a Mary Sue in any stretch. Rey on the other hand never had any kind of flight lessons or experence with a blaster or Lightsaber yet she has no problem flying the Falcon and defeating a trained Sith.

Rey fought no Sith. She slept next to a flight simulator. She failed in TLJ. Her only 'win' securing the Jedi books. That only cost Luke sacrificing himself and 99% of the Resistance.

[Axxil]

A light saber and a staff are very different weapons.

Don't need to be trained or be a force user to wield it either. Rewatch her fight with Kylo, her strikes were all out of anger and brute force.

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Rey fought no Sith. She slept next to a flight simulator. She failed in TLJ. Her only 'win' securing the Jedi books. That only cost Luke sacrificing himself and 99% of the Resistance.

Luke didn't fight a Sith either. The Sith are an extinct race.

[PACOX]

A light saber and a staff are very different weapons.

Both are still just weapons that someone trained in combat would be able to use. There's nothing in SW canon that prevents a someone trained in armed combat from wielding a lightsaber effectively.

[Kathranis]

I really wish I could get excited, but the teaser didn't do much for me. TLJ just left off with so little to build on for a sequel, it didn't set anything up, really. I can already tell from this trailer and the four year time jump that they're basically going to have to cram a film's worth of exposition into the opening crawl just to get the story into motion and to set up everything for the conclusion.

I really hope Abrams gets it back on track, but I don't think anything can correct the fundamental flaw with this trilogy, which is that there was no unifying trilogy or plan for an overarching story. The approach to making a film trilogy should never be to have multiple writer/directors making it up as they go.

Comparing Luke to being a mary sue like Rey? WHAT? There was build up for Luke and he struggled to go against Vader and eventually came back and beat him.There is deleted footage of Luke training with Yoda in Dagobah. Rey gets a lightsaber and can go against Kylo like nothing. Comparing Luke being a Mary Sue to Rey is just stupid.

The problem with Rey was just that she was too good at too many things. I'm not saying it's that big of a deal, just that the movie could have been written better.

IMO she should have just been a scrappy fighter and an engineer, which would suit her backstory well. Poe should have been piloting the Falcon during the Jaaku escape, and she should have been tapping into her latent Force sensitivity to compensate for broken navigation systems and stuff, giving him instructions. I think that would have been way more cool and impressive.

Episode VII just needed a few more passes at the script and it could have been a much better movie. I have pretty strong opinions about the script's shortcomings. Things like character motivations, the conflicts, etc. could have been fixed pretty easily.

[PACOX]

Luke didn't fight a Sith either. The Sith are an extinct race.

DARTH Sidious and DARTH Vader are Sith. Luke fought Sith. The Sith Order died with them. Snoke and Kylo were simply dark side users. All Sith are dark side users. All dark side users are not Sith.

[AlmightyGerkin]

Deleted footage doesn't count. Leia's natural affinity to the saber after training with her staff all her life is akin to Luke being a good fighter pilot after racing T-16 all his life. She didn't magically learn how to fight with a weapon. A lightsaber is still just a weapon at the end of the day. Also not once has she gone against Kylo like it was nothing, he never wanted to kill her. Same way Sidious could have offed Luke anytime he wanted to. Rey is a Mary Sue but Luke gets a pass at somehow being able to even attempt to challenge two of the greatest Sith same room?

Kylo Ren who was trained by Luke Skywalker for imagine quite a few years is beaten by someone who we did not see at all wield a weapon nor train with a lightsaber. Did you watch the prequels of star wars. Sidious could have killed luke but did not cause the whole point was to turn Luke to the Dark Side and take vaders spot. And Vader was quite hindered by his replacement parts that he even failed against some the most novice of jedi and thrown around by a few jedi masters.

[Goldielocks]

Both are still just weapons that someone trained in combat would be able to use. There's nothing in SW canon that prevents a someone trained in armed combat from wielding a lightsaber effectively.

That's a reach. Any weapons expert will tell you otherwise. You can't jump from one weapon to another, no matter how well trained you are.

[AlmightyGerkin]

IMO she should have just been a scrappy fighter and an engineer, which would suit her backstory well. Poe should have been piloting the Falcon during the Jaaku escape, and she should have been tapping into her latent Force sensitivity to compensate for broken navigation systems and stuff, giving him instructions. I think that would have been way more cool and impressive.

Episode VII just needed a few more passes at the script and it could have been a much better movie. I have pretty strong opinions about the script's shortcomings. Things like character motivations, the conflicts, etc. could have been fixed pretty easily.

If only more can see the bigger picture like you can.

[PACOX]

Kylo Ren who was trained by Luke Skywalker for imagine quite a few years is beaten by someone who we did not see at all wield a weapon nor train with a lightsaber. Did you watch the prequels of star wars. Sidious could have killed luke but did not cause the whole point was to turn Luke to the Dark Side and take vaders spot.

I'm well aware Sidious chose not to kill Luke. That doesn't help the pedestal the people try to place Luke on.

And Vader was quite hindered by his replacement parts that he even failed against some the most novice of jedi and thrown around by a few jedi masters.

Thats EU fan fiction. Vader was hindered by his suit but still an powerhouse compared to any Jedi that survived Order 66. Maybe except Yoda.

[Axxil]

DARTH Sidious and DARTH Vader are Sith. Luke fought Sith. The Sith Order died with them. Snoke and Kylo were simply dark side users. All Sith are dark side users. All dark side users are not Sith.

Darth is a title stolen by Palpatine, they aren't actually sith.

[Ezekyler]

It's been said in the movie that the fewer force uses there are, the more powerful they are. Keep up.

So Anakin was so strong because he was the only Force user right?

[PACOX]

Darth is a title stolen by Palpatine, they aren't actually sith.

Uh no? Palpatine got his title the same other Sith under the Rule of Two got their title. The Rule of Two Sith Order inherited their title from Sith Order before the Rule of Two was instituted. None of what you say if backed up by canon except that was a race called the Sith a long long time ago.

[Shadowferal]

Both are still just weapons that someone trained in combat would be able to use. There's nothing in SW canon that prevents a someone trained in armed combat from wielding a lightsaber effectively.

Can't say about SW, but I do know weapons. There's a world of difference between the two...normally. The light saber makes that difference even more so since it's all edge.

[Orby]

Just saw the trailer. not much to say but as always very pumped