do keys around lvl 13s and add those u played with to ur friends list, just add those u think can push high keys.
Did you skip 3 years in high school too? Skipping from +3 to +6 is easy, from +12 to +15 not so much.
Imagine you have a +15 key (boosted by guildies/friends the week before). Now you want to time that in a pug... do you really want to tell me that you would invite 4 other guys you don't know who only timed +12 before?
Make your own group. That's what I do. I couldn't even tell you what my raider io score is, or anyone else's for that matter. I've never used it.
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I do try to perform better than others at my level but also behave and act like an adult who respects that everyone is giving their time and energy to do a key. Just make your own group is another typical cop-out response. As it ignores the hardships of making your own group and trying to push keys, as I covered in my first post. It fails to address toxicity in mythic+. It's also silly to say do better than them when I am not in the position to be geared from mythic raiding and have friends from mythic raiding join me in a mythic+ run, so you can't just expect a casual mythic+ person do better than someone in that position when they don't have those advantages.
Everybody deserves to have the right to use whatever metric they wish to use to gatekeep for THEIR GROUP.
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I say that being unwilling to make your own groups while practicing the group making principles that you preach is a cop-out. You have exactly the same power to make a group as anybody else.
By "do better" in the context of my statement, I obviously did not mean "play better". My statement was obviously not about performance. Do a better job of being inclusive when making your groups, and do not use toxic metrics like IO.
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I have pushed keys after inviting people who had not even completed that dungeon on the key's level or even the previous level. They were within 2 levels completed and had a similar io and decent gear. I gave them a chance and we did fine. Other times I've invited people with higher io and equal or higher level done and they pulled mediocre dps, failed on mechanics and or rage quit.
We were never talking about skipping from a +12 to a +15. I said a ++13 or +14 to a 15. There is a difference there.
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I never said they weren't allowed to decide, but it doesn't mean I have no right to complain. We were talking about you gatekeeping what is and isn't acceptable. Actually, that was directed at feral druid ist op, but it applies to you as well.
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Are you trying to be funny? 3k io dudes can 4 man keys up to +19 the guys prob bought or got carryed by hes guild or you know did hes OWN Feaking key.
And its not "ME" gatekeepig you it is the standard given by the M+ Community and if you cant handle it then sorry but you wont get invited.
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No, you don't have to.
I agree. If you timed a +14 before, I might consider inviting you into a +15 for the same dungeon.
If a player has only timed all dungeons on +10 before, they are still oblivious to so many important mechanics in each of the dungeons. You gain a treasure trove of knowledge every time you progress 2-3 keys higher. You are forced to learn the mechanics that could be ignored and outhealed on lower keys.
I prefer someone who has timed at least a +14 before. It is possible that in +13 you took damage from double cyclone strike, took damage from Power Shot + Cleave, stood in Noxious Breath, and then clinched the kills on 3rd and 4th bosses with dry 0% mana remaining and entire group at 10% health. It is possible you failed on many other mechanics in +13, but survived them all and still 2-chested the key. It is possible that you are still not aware what are some of the deadly abilities in Temple. It is possible that the damage in +15 will get just over the top for your health pool, and you will start dying to each of these mechanics.
You confuse elitism with some sort of meritocracy. All of the above applies to me as well. I will not apply for a hypothetical "+23 in time" pug on my main char if the highest I have timed in the dungeon is just +21. That would be hypocritical of me. Likewise, my experience in high keys on my main healer char does not make me entitled to sign up for medium level keys on my well-geared healer alts if I lack proper experience on these alts. Temple is actually a good example. How do I know I have enough mana for +15 tyrannical Temple bosses on an character that has healed a +13 Temple at best? How do you know that my alt won't run OOM in the middle of these boss fights if the highest experience I can show you on this alt is at best a timed +13 Temple?
I have. I said as much in the same paragraph you took a sentence out of and quoted. I've also invited higher io higher level people but there is no guarantee they are going to perform better than someone a level lower. It doesn't guarantee that they will not rage quit over the slightest thing. Which is why pushing your own key is easier said than done, especially for people who pug.
It is the privilege of a key holder. Push your own key and you might end up in the same spot. That is why so many people here say that pushing your own key is the best way to get your score up. You take risks, you reap rewards (if any). Or you stick to being a healer for hire, and then you play by the common sense rules.
Note that this 1370 player will have 2k players applying for his +18 key. The fact this player is just 1370 does not mean he has (or will) invite other 1.4k-ish players to his key.