This blue response blows me away

[Rogalicus]

Why did they even make it physical item instead of just account unlock?

[cparle87]

When did that change? Last time I played retail was when you bought the glyphs and learned them. Once you learned them you could switch between them without buying them anymore.

So let me see if I get this straight. You come on here bashing on WoW almost every day talking about how much everything sucks, when you haven't played since WoD? Cause that's what you're telling me cause Legion is when they removed the old glyph UI.

[Twdft]

I think literally only ONE character gets the water walking item. Any other alt has to re-buy the item - which is why he's asking what would be a fair price for alts of your main who has the rep for the water strider.

Am I understanding this correctly?



This is the reason people are salty. They had the water strider on every single character because of account wide mounts. Now they will get mailed ONE ITEM for ONE CHARACTER.

You know the PTR is open for everyone? You could have just logged on to see that every character 100+ gets the item in the mail.

[Spotnick]

Much ado about nothing.

Seriously some people are truly addicted to drama for nothing over here. I did the angler quests it took forever..

But you know what, I'm more than happy to finally be able to use another mount to do that because I have the damned strider and I've seen it for way too long.

I am suspecting people don't know about the leatherworking item currently in the game that lets anyone water walk mounted, because that's exactly the same thing, but account wide. You have no idea how much the equipment will cost, and you will have it for free.. and yet you already complain about it.

Seriously, Blizzard could have simply released another waterwaling mount easily obtainable, and you would still be crying about it? the blue post is right, you grinded it, so did I, you had waterwalking for 6 years in exclusivity.. did you really think they would never update that system to make the mount obsolete?

Seriously?

[kamuimac]

Why did they even make it physical item instead of just account unlock?

because this is boosting both token sales (u need ton of gold to respec constantly) and MAU (you need to waste shitton of time traveling to merchants on all toons)

same like with portals removal - shit excuses just to boost MAU

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You know the PTR is open for everyone? You could have just logged on to see that every character 100+ gets the item in the mail.

yay for having to log in 46 times -_- such an amazing gaming experience -_-

there is still time - we should force them into making this shit maybe more expensive but make it account wide unlocks and swaping it for free.

[Cerus]

because this is boosting both token sales (u need ton of gold to respec constantly) and MAU (you need to waste shitton of time traveling to merchants on all toons)

same like with portals removal - shit excuses just to boost MAU

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yay for having to log in 46 times -_- such an amazing gaming experience -_-

there is still time - we should force them into making this shit maybe more expensive but make it account wide unlocks and swaping it for free.

I tend to agree but who forced you to make 46 characters?

[crusadernero]

Let me put it this way: The mount equipment allows people that don't like the Strider to get waterwalking with other mounts, which allows them a wider range of mounts to use. If the Strider itself gets mount equipment too, then you could have waterwalking and put a different piece of equipment with a different benefit on your Strider so that you can get waterwalking and a different bonus.

Also, if the equipment adds a visual to the mount, than how cool is that? People used to go wild over mount armor in games like Oblivion. Why would the character get suited up for a battle, but not their mount? If that were real life (don't take that too seriously, lol), that's how you'd end up walking. It adds just a tad more immersion to the game overall, and you could probably pick and choose what would look best with your characters outfit.

Honestly, even if the Strider doesn't get the equipment, it would be something to suggest to Blizz to get'er dun to make topics like this a non-issue.

Would make more sense just to let the strider have waterwalking, without giving the mount any other ability. Let it have waterwalking and nothing else. Instead of removing it. They let the golem mount be, why not the waterstrider?

[Sevarin]

Especially when you consider games like ESO and FF14 seem to listen to the wants and needs of its playerbase.

eureka says hi. so does the mogstation. and a multitude of other things. im confused.... what has ff14 listened to exactly?

[Gilmour]

Do I need rep for buying that item? Only Anglers will sell it? Not other factions? I think I saw somewhere that there will be more sellers.

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[WowIsDead64]

I have both Water Striders - "Horde" and "Alliance" variants. I have them on my action bars, yeah. But I've used them 2-3 times may be. Why? Who cares about them? We will have FLYING!!!

[rad586]

To people who think everyone is whining about mount equipment because their strider won't be the only mount with waterwalking .....
To people whining about mount equipment because their strider won't be the only mount with waterwalking .....
To people who think waterwalking won't be a thing with FLYING .....

You make me facepalm so hard that the sound reverberates throughout the universe.

First of all, the main issue with removing waterwalking from the strider is that you won't be able to create a new alt and immediately use waterwalking on an alt. You will have to go on your MAIN character to Krasarang Wilds and buy it each time you decide to create a new alt. It's not the end of the world, but a major inconvenience.

Second issue is that you'll have to buy it each time you decide to swap mount equipment for some time and then go back to waterwalking. Gold goes down the drain. I already spend tons of gold buying big bags for new alts.

Third issue is that waterwalking is removed from the strider, but herbpicking of the golems is not. Just make the bloody Strider have its waterwalking and not benefit from mount equipment. SIMPLE.

And lastly - flying won't help you skip water pools in dungeons such as Tol Dagor. And it won't even work on characters below 60.

[Jawless Jones]

The rate at which we can accrue rep makes it a non-issue these days, when Anglers first came out one might have been able to make a case. not now.

If it's that trivial, why bother changing anything?

[Charge me Doctor]

If it's that trivial, why bother changing anything?

Because it's a good system for future improvements. Even now you can make a decision to put daze-immunity and chug on dem waterwalking potions for eternity to get two things out of one

[sam86]

i have literally zero problems if that mount is offered for free now, in fact imo old items should be easy to acquire, not mummified, and that include even achievements and 'one time events' and so on
i miss wrath launch event and wish it return

[Chemii]

Because it's a good system for future improvements. Even now you can make a decision to put daze-immunity and chug on dem waterwalking potions for eternity to get two things out of one

People are incapable of forward thinking on here.

God forbid Blizzard implement a system that can be improved over-time.

[kamuimac]

Because it's a good system for future improvements. Even now you can make a decision to put daze-immunity and chug on dem waterwalking potions for eternity to get two things out of one

yes true.

but what you should notice is that is green level equipement

without a doubt there will come rare and purple later having more then 1 trait

[Super Kami Dende]

You earned the mount. Plain and simple. To have anything taken from you does not feel good... especially something you specifically targeted and earned.

Nothing is getting taken away though. Like at all.

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yes true.

but what you should notice is that is green level equipement

without a doubt there will come rare and purple later having more then 1 trait

We can only hope.

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If it's that trivial, why bother changing anything?

So people can use a mount they want, not an ugly strider. Which has been something people have asked for years. how is it this hard to understand?

[Boo Radley]

OP you should know better than coming to MMO champion expecting to get legitimate answers. You're just gonna get the contrarians coming out and telling you why youre stupid or entitled for asking the question.

Pornhub has a pretty good comments section though. Post this under the latest Janice Griffith video and you'll get about 20 responses today that are on topic.

[Maudib]

I played WoD for about 6 months and Legion for about 3 months.

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But:

1) It's not being taken away. You'll still have it after. You'll even be able to use it beyond it's normal capability by using it with any mount.
2) It's not being repackaged, nor reused. The same thing, the ability to water walk on mounts that you will now have available with all mounts having unlocked the mount before, will be earned in the exact same way as it was before. It's not 'repackaged as new content.' It's the exact same content that it was before.

When you grind something, like Exalted Angler's Rep, to earn a mount with water walking. Then the features of that mount are then given to other mounts WITHOUT having to grind that rep... they take away something. They trivialize the reward, and the efforts of those who did it.

Imagine if 8.2 made "The Insane" title purchasable for 40 gold?

What they have done is REMOVED content since now no one will have to grind exalted (Friendly now I guess?) to get water walking. They've also made it cost 40 gold per mount.

And supposedly there will be a craftable item that can be used instead of the rep item.

And all in all... all mounts should NOT be able to walk on water. That's what was unique about water striders. I know, I know... "But everyone was FORCED to use water striders".

Really? Because I didn't. Only when I was around water did I use them... I didn;t even particularly LIKE them.

No. A better way to address this would have been to add NEW water walking mounts each expansion.. for mount collectors, for people who want to have more choice when running around a water heavy zone.

But no... we'll make ALL mounts capable of water walking... which boringly ALL will have to have the water walking equipment. Choice down the drain. And now suddenly you have completely trivialized water... Might as well remove it and fill in all the lakes and rivers with dirt.

I'm sure we'll see these abilities removed from Shaman and DKs soon... because well, let's prune it all you know.

This game has become so "watered down" (pun intended) with homogenization that it's just a boring grey blob of repetitive queue times.

[Tazr]

???? How's it dismantling it. My god the backlash from this makes no sense to me. Ohhh... "I spent all that time grinding the rep for that mount". OKAY... you had access to said mount for what 6 years while others that didn't grind it did not. "Now I feel like I've wasted all that time for the mount"... REALLY?!?! You had access to it for all those years when those that didn't do the grind did not, but then I guess you need to be the only one for all time. Swear this community really is full of whiny, special snowflakes!!!

Do you really think calling other people "whiny, special snowflakes" (don't have to guess how YOU vote) is any less of an example of "entitled" behavior? Love how you feel "entitled" to judge your opinions above theirs, as if your single, unproductive (and utterly lacking in empathy) OPINION is magically fact (cuz "you said so") and outweighs everyone else's combined.

First off, not everyone has had the mount for 6 years. Imagine spending a lot of time on this old, tedious, out of the way content, in lieu of other, more enjoyable things, and - within days or weeks - finding out the only reason you did it is going away. But hey, now you get a "discount" for something you have to buy for every. single. alt. so you can enjoy this feature again...which will take the place of some OTHER, NEW feature you otherwise COULD have enjoyed (not getting dazed, reduced fall damage). Unless you're a Shaman of DK (the only people seeming to benefit from this change), many or most people will wind up buying the water walking equipment for all their toons. Gee, what an upgrade vs. just switching to a mount you already had, that already did this - and did this FOR FREE once it had been tediously earned.

I've had the Azure Water Strider since MoP, but I can totally relate to the frustrations of people that recently unlocked it. I spent 50k gold on the Lightforged Augment rune, but only got to use it for a few months (I'd had surgery and been too ill to play WoW much of Legion) before they killed it for players higher than level 119. I also did RaF a number of times (recruiting myself) back in BC/Wrath, paying all that money to essentually "buy" myself the mount back when they were "per character," so I could still enjoy them as I was forced to change mains for the good of the raid multiple times. When mounts went account wide, was I given a token for each effectively lost "reward" so I could get one of the new pets or something? Nope. I basically lost the reward x 4 or so.

There was easy solution to the AWS problem. People that already had the Azure Waterstrider should be able to have water walking AT LEAST on that mount (if not all of them) in addition to something to put in the mount equipment slot. Anyone who didn't already have it should fall to the new system. The 'Grandfather Clause' is the right way to introduce a massive change. In fact, Blizzard did it (albeit without enough notice) when they made changes to RaF. If you were in the middle of it, you got to experience the old, actually worth it RaF. Everyone else going forward got the new, pointless version.

It was a completely reasonable way to have handled this controversy (as in, there would be no controversy), instead of ticking off an already unhappy player base - but Blizz oddly lacks care for player happiness. Sometimes I think they do crap like this just to tick us off (with Ion, it totally wouldn't surprise me).

If Blizzard constantly takes hard earned things and removes them or nerfs them into the ground (and before you stupidly try to challenge me about armor, OBVIOUSLY that doesn't count - it doesn't get nerfed, you just get stronger gear that replaces it), why bother to do ANYTHING?

A huge part of why people play MMOs is because you accumulate things over time, which adds enjoyment over time, and leaves you with something to show for your time (albeit virtually - although accounts can be worth a lot of RL money thanks to this accumulation). Blizz has shown with increasing frequency that they are more than happy to randomly take shit away from you that you worked hard for. Frankly, there are a lot more entertaining games out there, but they're one and done. There are other MMOs, but you have to start from scratch. It's why a LOT of us still play this game through content droughts or just plain shitty content (like BFA).

That said, as Blizz increasingly takes away and/or nerfs items that cost a lot in time or gold (or effectively real money, as was the case with my RaF rewards), they also erode that advantage. More and more, we're just left with a game that feels increasingly less entertaining or rewarding - especially as their idea of "content" broadens to things like removing portals and delaying flying (to the point of it not being worth attaining) to increase MAU without their having to actually put any effort into it.