Where is the positivity about the game?

[SirCowdog]

I recommend asking in trade chat punching yourself in the face. It's an adventure!

Seriously? Trade chat?


The point you're failing to recognize, either intentionally or through honest ignorance, is that just because YOU are having fun doing random stuff doesn't mean the game is good. I'm glad you're having fun, but that doesn't invalidate the flaws with the game, nor the way in which Blizzard has slowly leeched player agency and enjoyment out of the game in favor of over-monetization.

Look at it this way: Millions of people enjoy and like fast food. That doesn't magically make fast food healthy for you because you had an adventure at the restaurant, or had fun throwing french fries at your friends. This is the same thing with WoW. Just because you can eke out some enjoyable experiences now and then doesn't make the whole of the game acceptable.

[SirCowdog]

Anyone that has any faith in Ion and his goons these days needs a good hard slap on the upside of the head. They deserve nothing but skepticism until they deliver.

And more importantly, people need to recognize that all that actually accomplishes is fixing a problem THEY created. That's not really worthy of much hype or praise, when you get down to it.

I mean, listening to the way some people talk about WoW, it's borderline Stockholme Syndrome. I know that's a touchy subject, but FFS, they treat their players like shit for months at a time, then fix a problem THEY created, and suddenly "OMG I LUV BLIZZ! So hyped! Can't wait!!!!"

Seriously...wtf?

[Aeula]

Being positive about BfA is like being positive about the pile of shit that a bird just shat out onto your head.

[Big Thanks]

Seriously? Trade chat?


The point you're failing to recognize, either intentionally or through honest ignorance, is that just because YOU are having fun doing random stuff doesn't mean the game is good. I'm glad you're having fun, but that doesn't invalidate the flaws with the game, nor the way in which Blizzard has slowly leeched player agency and enjoyment out of the game in favor of over-monetization.

Look at it this way: Millions of people enjoy and like fast food. That doesn't magically make fast food healthy for you because you had an adventure at the restaurant, or had fun throwing french fries at your friends. This is the same thing with WoW. Just because you can eke out some enjoyable experiences now and then doesn't make the whole of the game acceptable.

Who do you have more fun with?
The people you go to MCDonalds with? Or the people you go to fancy restaurants?

[SirCowdog]

Who do you have more fun with?
The people you go to MCDonalds with? Or the people you go to fancy restaurants?

More importantly, regardless of which restaurant you're going to, if you see someone complaining about the quality of the food because it's actually declined, how does telling them to strike up a conversation with random people in the restaurant actually address the issue of declining food quality?

That's basically what you're telling people to do. "Just have fun brah" doesn't help anything.

[hulkgor]

Game is great, having a blast, can't wait to experience the two new encounters on Crucible (haven't killed M Jaina yet, 12% at around 300 attempts! Nearly there!) and 8.2 seems to be a massive patch. Looking forward to it (just worried about raid releasing during Summer, but that seems frequent, sadly).

Also, even if people have legitimate issues and concerns about the game, they are completely exaggerated here on mmo-c, making it seem like the game is a steaming pile of shit that no one plays or enjoys... which is, well, not true.

[Big Thanks]

Are you actually trying to claim that if I got my dog to shit on a plate and then sat down with my friends to eat it - it wouldn't still be a piece of dog shit that tastes like crap?

I mean - I bet I could find someone in the world with fucked up taste buds that enjoys eating dog shit. Or someone who was brought up eating dog shit and is therefore addicted to it like crack - like 99% of people who defend WoW in it's current state. Literal addicts.



I mean is that really what you're arguing here? Are you insane?

Dude, i never said the word "dog" or "crap" in my post :S

[Haywire5714]

Game is great, having a blast

Also, even if people have legitimate issues and concerns about the game, they are completely exaggerated here on mmo-c, making it seem like the game is a steaming pile of shit that no one plays or enjoys... which is, well, not true.

No you're right it's not true ... instead it's just a steaming pile of shit that's played by a small fraction of the amount of players that used to play it. That's much better right?

Maybe I should come on the forums and tell people how great the game is since there is an above 0 number of players playing the game. That's logical afterall, as long as at least 1 person enjoys the game then it can't be shit.

[niztheundead87]

No you're right it's not true ... instead it's just a steaming pile of shit that's played by a small fraction of the amount of players that used to play it. That's much better right?

Maybe I should come on the forums and tell people how great the game is since there is an above 0 number of players playing the game. That's logical afterall, as long as at least 1 person enjoys the game then it can't be shit.

Entitlement like this is what is wrong

[Taeldorian]

They've talked about removing titanforging but they want to replace it with something else first and they don't know what yet.

How is trading one shitty system for another good?

Anyone that has any faith in Ion and his goons these days needs a good hard slap on the upside of the head. They deserve nothing but skepticism until they deliver.

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It's just baffling to me how we got to this stage.... But I guess if the horribly addicted people stay subscribed and keep buying cash store items then this game will continue down the path it has for the last 4 years.

Slow down, I didn’t say I had any faith in the team to deliver. I certainly don’t after BfA, I’m just glad to hear they want it out of the game. That along with them reducing ways to get gear should help the current gearing issue a ton.

He also didn’t say he wanted to replace TF with something else, he said he wanted to replace the positives of TF with something else they just aren’t sure what yet. Now I’m not sure why they need to do that but TF does allow for content replayability it’s just not in a good way at all. Badges also allow for a bit of content replayability and they work much better than TF but they don’t wanna do that. So I’m not sure what they’ll do but I think they just wanna give players a reason to run content after the first/second time which is fine imo.

Legiondaries did this in a way as well. Allowing players to spam low level m+ for legendary Chance and even older raids. People were running EN during ToV and NH during ToS and mythic + was being spammed from +5 to +15 by both casuals and hardcore players which was great imo. I disliked legiondaries more than anything in legion but I would like to see that replayability, just not from TF or legiondaries but a better system similar to badges/VP.

[Powerogue]

Here's a little: The Hati questline they added is incredible, and the perfect grand finale/epilogue to my Hunter's legion experience.

Also loved seeing Xal'atath again. That whole questline was swell.

8.2 is looking really great, with zones that seem both well designed on their own and inspired by good ideas of the past like Suramar and Timeless Isle. The artifact necklace changes look to finally be the positive changes to the azerite system I had been hoping for, to actually feel permanent upgrades to my character like in legion. I intend to play a lot more when 8.2 comes out due to all these positive changes. Better late than never, at the most cynical I can put it. I am very glad they do not seem to intend the WOD route of cutting the expansion short. I want to see this story to its completion.

[Big Thanks]

If you can't understand the point I'm trying to make here then I guess we're done.

You're implying that people need to try harder to enjoy something that is a low quality product.

You're implying that if they just tried it with friends they would somehow magically enjoy it.


I applied this to dog shit. Are you implying that somehow dog shit becomes enjoyable to eat if you just try harder and/or try eating it with friends?

Is this any easier for you to understand or should I make it even more simple?

Trying to compare a game like WoW to dogshit is pitiful.

This game technically is impressive.

It COULD be better but you try to tell me WoW is shit...is laughable.

[SirCowdog]

Trying to compare a game like WoW to dogshit is pitiful.

This game technically is impressive.

It COULD be better but you try to tell me WoW is shit...is laughable.

Technically speaking, yes, it's impressive.

Relatively speaking, yes, it's dogshit.

I mean, come the hell on. What other game charges full box price, plus subscription(which causes you to lose access to the game if you don't pay), has a cash shop, AND MTX services, then lumps massive timegating, stacked/layered RNG, and exploitative designs such as selling power via gold for real world money? Even EA's Battlefront 2 at launch wasn't this bad.

I'm sorry, but WoW is not a good game right now. It has some good parts to it(Raiding, for example), but overall it's a terrible game, and Acti-Blizz is a terrible company that participates in rampant tax evasion, engages with predatory loot-box and MTX style "services", lays off 800 people while making record profits, all while paying their CFO a fat bonus.

I mean...seriously. WTF?

To be completely blunt, at this point if you're still supporting or defending Blizzard, you are LITERALLY contributing to the worst parts of the gaming industry. That is factual, not my opinion. Do your homework on their business practices if you don't believe me. Whatever good parts of WoW that exist simply don't do enough to come anywhere near to justifying or mitigating that.

And I'm not saying you can't still have fun playing WoW. But what I am saying is that you need to wake the fuck up and understand the cost your fun comes at.

THAT is where all the negativity comes from: ActiBlizz being a terrible company and making a bad game at a horrendous cost to players, their employees, and even the country they operate from.

[Big Thanks]

Technically speaking, yes, it's impressive.

Relatively speaking, yes, it's dogshit.

I mean, come the hell on. What other game charges full box price, plus subscription(which causes you to lose access to the game if you don't pay), has a cash shop, AND MTX services, then lumps massive timegating, stacked/layered RNG, and exploitative designs such as selling power via gold for real world money? Even EA's Battlefront 2 at launch wasn't this bad.

I'm sorry, but WoW is not a good game right now. It has some good parts to it(Raiding, for example), but overall it's a terrible game, and Acti-Blizz is a terrible company that participates in rampant tax evasion, engages with predatory loot-box and MTX style "services", lays off 800 people while making record profits, all while paying their CFO a fat bonus.

I mean...seriously. WTF?

To be completely blunt, at this point if you're still supporting or defending Blizzard, you are LITERALLY contributing to the worst parts of the gaming industry. That is factual, not my opinion. Do your homework on their business practices if you don't believe me. Whatever good parts of WoW that exist simply don't do enough to come anywhere near to justifying or mitigating that.

And I'm not saying you can't still have fun playing WoW. But what I am saying is that you need to wake the fuck up and understand the cost your fun comes at.

THAT is where all the negativity comes from: ActiBlizz being a terrible company and making a bad game at a horrendous cost to players, their employees, and even the country they operate from.

I guess the game could be better, i agree.~~
But you are free to create your own adventure in this game and have stories like the Charge me Doctor one with social rivalries and friends being made.

I have a story of my own also.

I was about to do gurubashi arena and invited a guy to the party.
The thing is, i looted a random mob and an epic droped.
I said to him it was the mob i killed.
He rolled NEED and stole my epic item.

Next day i whisper him on a different character.
"I need your help to kill a rare mob and you can have the chest with shiny treasures"
My plan was to lead him to Dire Maul Arena and kill him as many times as possible there.
He went to dire maul arena.
I killed him 2 times
Whispered him "this is what you get for stealing my epic"

End of Story

This is a SOCIAL GAME so for the love of all things CREATE YOUR OWN ADVENTURE.

[Xothene]

This might have been a little too much for him to handle. He wants you to go to the Darkmoon Faire and watch an in-game concert. He says you will have fun you just have to trust him.


I wonder if the Blizz Defenders in this thread would defend Bioware and the Anthem situation? Because Blizzard is literally on par with them at the moment. Possibly worse.

Some people are still defending Anthem, a game factually broken in it's very source code, don't expect long terms fans/white knights/addicts who invested hundred or thousand currencies and hours to step back and take a logical and emotionless look at the situation, sir. I'm not surprised about all the hate on Preach or Asmongold anytime somebody post a thread on them. Truth hurts and we're living in a world of pure denial and self-delusion.

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I guess the game could be better, i agree.~~
But you are free to create your own adventure in this game and have stories like the Charge me Doctor one with social rivalries and friends being made.

I have a story of my own also.

I was about to do gurubashi arena and invited a guy to the party.
The thing is, i looted a random mob and an epic droped.
I said to him it was the mob i killed.
He rolled NEED and stole my epic item.

Next day i whisper him on a different character.
"I need your help to kill a rare mob and you can have the chest with shiny treasures"
My plan was to lead him to Dire Maul Arena and kill him as many times as possible there.
He went to dire maul arena.
I killed him 2 times
Whispered him "this is what you get for stealing my epic"

End of Story

This is a SOCIAL GAME so for the love of all things CREATE YOUR OWN ADVENTURE.

Yikes, very yikes.

[Loreclaw]

Being positive about BfA is like being positive about the pile of shit that a bird just shat out onto your head.

That's a good way to put it.

[shise]

BfA is good, sure is not among the best, not even close, I agree, but it is still good.

Then the next coming patch is huge and it will most likely bring a lot of players back.

[Leodric]

I guess the game could be better, i agree.~~
But you are free to create your own adventure in this game and have stories like the Charge me Doctor one with social rivalries and friends being made.

I have a story of my own also.

I was about to do gurubashi arena and invited a guy to the party.
The thing is, i looted a random mob and an epic droped.
I said to him it was the mob i killed.
He rolled NEED and stole my epic item.

Next day i whisper him on a different character.
"I need your help to kill a rare mob and you can have the chest with shiny treasures"
My plan was to lead him to Dire Maul Arena and kill him as many times as possible there.
He went to dire maul arena.
I killed him 2 times
Whispered him "this is what you get for stealing my epic"

End of Story

This is a SOCIAL GAME so for the love of all things CREATE YOUR OWN ADVENTURE.

Now I see why Alliance BG get's rekt more often than Horde. Do you also create your own adventure while jumping off the cliffs in warsong and keeping a delusion of fun? You don't seem to get that it's about the quality of the game and the flaw of the systems they implemented on, therefore the analogy of "dog shit on a plate" was just being made to show you in an extreme example what people mean here when they criticise BFA.

[Dystemper]

People are defending Anthem, fall out 76 etc. I guess done people also like cutting them selves and rubbing lemons over the wound

[Ifeanychukwu]

As people say, people don't tend to sit around and talk about how great everything is. More people enjoy the game than not,the undesirables just like to sit around and whine.

Take a look at the FFXIV subreddit and you'll see otherwise. Every single day there's new posts of people saying "I love this game" and other such statements. These "undesirables" actually do care about the game, more so than people like you I'd say, who seem happy to accept an inferior product to what we know Blizzard is capable of producing.

People aren't being negative about the game. They're criticizing genuine flaws in the game because we've seen how good the game can be when it's being ran by people that know how to create a fun game instead of spreadsheet heroes that have reduced the game to nothing but a giant casino where you're constantly pulling that lever hoping for a good roll.

We can concede when they do things right, the raids are great, the art department is amazing.... and then? We try to come to common ground while your type sticks your fingers in your years yelling "lalala not listening I don't want to hear the inconvenient truths!" and labels anyone that would speak up as undesirables or whiners.