Where is the positivity about the game?

[MoanaLisa]

Kindly take 5 minutes to go back and read SirCowdogs well worded and quite calm responses to this person. Then read his random, rambling responses in return.

You tell me what he is? Because I'm not allowed to use the kind of labels I would want to am I? He quite literally toes the lines of either trolling or complete and utter naivety.

No, easier to 100% ignore people who have an axe to grind or who persistently write about people instead of the game. Also very simple to ignore people who over a long time tend to express an opinion as some fact. It's not, they aren't and there's no point in even engaging with it. That's about all I have to say about that except that when people go to "That's a paid shill" argument they've lost the argument before it's even started.

[SirCowdog]

What information is presented? You mean...a subjective information?
Because it is subjective.

No, it's not subjective.

WoW is engaging in ant-consumer business models via the cash shop, gold selling, layered RNG, and rampant time-gating.

Blizzard is abusing not just their players, but their own employyes, and the US government via tax evasion.

These are not opinions. These are factual, provable points. Whether or not you're having fun playing wow is IRRELEVANT to these points.

If you have any really constructive criticism that's where it ought to be anyway.

With all due respect, that's blatantly not true. First off is that Blizzard edits, deletes, and over-moderates their own forums to provide ONLY positive messages. You can't be critical in any significant manner without being immediately attacked by fans, marginalized by vapid CMs, drowned in trolls, and potentially have your post deleted by over-zealous mods.

Second, even if you WERE able to provide such feedback without suffering those effects, Blizzard has a known and provable history of IGNORING it!

One of the main reasons I post here, on youtube, and on reddit is because I know that Blizzard checks these places, but also because I generally don't have to be subject to the nonsense of the official forums and can have more reasonable conversations with other players or fans.

And third, posting here doesn't require you to pay Blizzard for the questionable "privilege" of doing so in an "official" environemnt.

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Let's drop the "paid shill" BS. Someone always trots it out to try and discredit someone.

It's not an attempt to discredit someone, which you would know if you read his responses. It's an attempt to make sense of his nonsensical, illogical behavior. And you'll note that I also allowed for the possibility that he's also just not capable of re-assessing his position in light of new information. He's not conceding, acknowledging, or even making new points.

It should not be wrong to call a spade a spade.

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SirCowDog is a prime example of one of the resident posters convinced of his own superiority on these forums. Anyone not agreeing with him is a shill, fanboy/girl or deserves to be shat on.

Correction. Anyone who ignores points being made and instead resorts to simply repeating the same nonsense in the face of factual information deserves to be shat on ONLY after they repeatedly prove that they're not open to a reasonable discussion.

And btw, @MoanaLisa: Why is it ok for people to post this sort of insult?



I'm going to bow out of this thread, because I suspect it's going to be closed soon anyway. And I'd rather not risk an infraction over false premise directed at me.

[Benedictu]

No, it's not subjective.


With all due respect, that's blatantly not true. First off is that Blizzard edits, deletes, and over-moderates their own forums.

I can't really speak to any other part of your post, but someone should start a 'what bizarre thing did official forums give me a week-long ban for' thread. I can't even remember mine, it was random and out of the blue. It was something like I'm tired of the Alliance making so many human-like races and being lazy with the reskins of them.

[SirCowdog]

No, easier to 100% ignore people who have an axe to grind or who persistently write about people instead of the game. Also very simple to ignore people who over a long time tend to express an opinion as some fact. It's not, they aren't and there's no point in even engaging with it. That's about all I have to say about that except that when people go to "That's a paid shill" argument they've lost the argument before it's even started.

Case in point. You clearly didn't read my posts at all. The irony of making the claim of having an axe to grind when discussing me instead of the game, when the vast majority of my points have been made ABOUT THE GAME AND BLIZZARD is staggering. It was not until I was repeatedly pressed and presented with nonsensical arguments that I called those arguments out and attempted to convince the poster of those argument why they were bad.

I don't care if you're a mod. You are wrong on this point and I will not apologize for pointing it out.

/done

[Stonecloak]

The game is better than its ever been. Save a few setbacks we can all acknowledge. The issue is people just aren’t interested in mmo’s anymore. Nintendo and mobile is the new fad. That said the game can still be successful if people can accept it for what it is.

[trapmaster]

Bfa had come along with negativity with double negativity and brought absolute zero shit to "pretend to enjoy", now tell me why we all bought this in first place? Story? Story has gone way way downhill far in past. There are books u could read and use ur imagination. I bought it cuz my guildmates and friends were thinking it wouldn't be so quite bad, Motherfucking BOY WE ARE SO DEAD WRONG. We could had focus to ff online instead than this bfa.

[Azerate]

If you're being shat on for being positive about the game, it's probably because more and more people are becoming aware of just how bad WoW and Blizzard are becoming. But if you want to bury your head in the sand and ignore all the problems and flaws with it, I guess that's your prerogative.

There are probably some issues with the game, which are more relevant to some other people, and it's up to them, but the idea that the game is objectively bad because of those is simply false. The way I play WoW, nothing introduced in BfA really hurts me. Sure, maybe I'd prefer the old tier sets over the azerite items but is that a big deal to me?...not really. I just grind a bit of AP every week and choose the best stuff on the ring and proceed to raid and do m+.

The increasing number of people who are doing their best to shut down opinions different than theirs is certainly not a good thing, as you seem to be implying. Some people don't like the game, some do like it. All this probably being done in hope of being the only opinion heard by Blizz...as to create an illusion that the game is universally hated right now. Tough luck though, people enjoying the game are being heard through their wallets, even though they might have stopped "fighting" on forums with all the negativity.

So yeah, you're just reinforcing my point. Posting positive things about the game just results in hearing "okay that is your opinion but you're objectively wrong because my opinion is different and I am better than you".

[Osmeric]

Everyone advances to their level of incompetence. So, your lasting impression is a negative one.

[Dormie]

Take a look at the FFXIV subreddit and you'll see otherwise. Every single day there's new posts of people saying "I love this game" and other such statements. These "undesirables" actually do care about the game, more so than people like you I'd say, who seem happy to accept an inferior product to what we know Blizzard is capable of producing.

People aren't being negative about the game. They're criticizing genuine flaws in the game because we've seen how good the game can be when it's being ran by people that know how to create a fun game instead of spreadsheet heroes that have reduced the game to nothing but a giant casino where you're constantly pulling that lever hoping for a good roll.

We can concede when they do things right, the raids are great, the art department is amazing.... and then? We try to come to common ground while your type sticks your fingers in your years yelling "lalala not listening I don't want to hear the inconvenient truths!" and labels anyone that would speak up as undesirables or whiners.

Reddit is never negative.
Every time people explain why "BFA sux" I'm more convinced the game is actually fine. Every expansion has had issues.

[Heran]

The game is better than its ever been. Save a few setbacks we can all acknowledge. The issue is people just aren’t interested in mmo’s anymore. Nintendo and mobile is the new fad. That said the game can still be successful if people can accept it for what it is.

No, the class design is awful on all classes that I actively play. When the classes suck, so does the game.

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Reddit is never negative.
Every time people explain why "BFA sux" I'm more convinced the game is actually fine. Every expansion has had issues.

Only legion and BFA have had these issues with the classes though. MoP was the pinnacle of class design for most of them.

[Nelaphim-EX]

The only reason I keep playing is that I enjoy making gold to get the last few TCG mounts I am missing.

My server is dead. (Highest progressed Alliance guild has 3 bosses in Mythic, Horde has 1 boss down)

If it were not for WoW Tokens, I would no longer play.

[Loreclaw]

The game is better than its ever been. Save a few setbacks we can all acknowledge. The issue is people just aren’t interested in mmo’s anymore. Nintendo and mobile is the new fad. That said the game can still be successful if people can accept it for what it is.

No it's not the 'best it's ever been' that's just false. Classes are in an absolutely awful state still.

[Granyala]

Well BfA Derangement Syndrome has turned this from a fansite to a hatesite. But there's plenty of people to talk with about what you like in game.

Haha, no it didn't. That trend started long, long ago.
Possibly before Cataclysm.

[Arainie]

I actually had to look it up because I had forgotton what it was. What does that say about the spell?

I had to think about it as well, and I felt like it was an incredibly weak artifact ability which almost on it's own made the spec fall behind other healers seeing how disc got a one cast (after ramp up) full raid top ability, druids got a strong HoT booster ability etc. Had the artifact ability instead been for example HW:Salvation we'd probably have seen a lot more Holy priests in Legion, even if it might not have been the strongest spec (much like now).

Truth? The reality is I don't know why anyone who is enjoying the game would be here except perhaps out of habit. It's thankless and you simply open yourself up to people screaming and insulting you for having a different opinion on things. So that leaves the rest.

I suppose if you enjoy the game at all you're probably going to Blizz's forums. If you have any really constructive criticism that's where it ought to be anyway.

Yup, I'm here entirely out of habit and I still enjoy the game. I find one golden thread among a heap of garbage once in a while, but for some reason I still haven't filtered the forum sections at the top of the front page away.

[Spiral Mage]

I have my issues and disagreements with the design of the game in it's current state.

But as far as being positive? I still enjoy the game. Just because I disagree with some of their decisions, doesn't mean I don't still enjoy playing the game. Personally, I like the world quest model and I like how there's more than one way to gear up. I feel like there's just more ways to participate in the game than before.

[zaino]

No it's not the 'best it's ever been' that's just false. Classes are in an absolutely awful state still.

If it was the “best it’s ever been” then there wouldn’t be stagnating or declining subs haha

It’s not hard to see activity in the game is way down even if they don’t report sub number if you look at website traffic and YouTube traffic

[BB8]

- I really like what they do to the graphics of zones.
All 6 zones of BfA looks stunning and the music fits very good to each theme.

- Its interesting where the story goes. It feels like a tv series where you wanna see what happens next episode.

- Love the idea of allied races. Would love it more to see some of their progression in the world. New settlements based on these races.

[unbound]

I'm positive that I made the right decision cancelling my sub.

I'm positive that Blizz decided to spend as little as possible to maximize profit.

I'm positive that Blizz PR is trying to convince you that it really isn't a bad as it really is.

I'm positive that many people are finally starting to see through Blizz PR.

I'm positive that Blizz will put in more work (a reasonable effort) on the next expansion provided that Diablo Immortal is not particularly successful (financially).

[Dadwen]

It was part of the pruning.

It will be added back in the future as a new feature

dam this is what I was going to say, but I have my doubts if the current Dev's have the ability\skill to add it back.

[vitor210]

Everywhere you look are mostly negative threads about the game. I understand there are things about Blizz that people don't like *lore being one, while the design team is pretty good*
WTB more positive thoughts about WoW
I'm a big fan of some of the game music myself. Example in Wrath, i'll play with the game sound on...or while in Boralus i'll have it on. There are zones that i hang out in sometimes cause they look really nice. I find the combat system pretty smooth *not clunky like other mmo's i've played*

Please list your positive aspects of the game. No negative crap please!

because it's trendy, it's edgy, it's funny to crap on the game. When you have "popular influencers" like asmongold making fun of the game and craping on anything the game does, it's normal for the sheep to follow and do the same. And when people come here or on reddit and see those sheep saying bad things about the game, they need to do the same or else they aren't accepted on the cool kids club.

Remember, 99% of the players that enjoy the game don't waste time coming here, it's always the vocal minority that screams the loudest