I would like to level a Kul Tiran, but..

[The Stormbringer]

Nah just pointing out hypocrisy. If something you get for paying a subscription is "free" then allied races (which take much, much less time to unlock than 90 days, btw) are "free" not a cash grab.

I never claimed allied races were a cash grab, I was referring to the shop items and the like.

[Fred Skinner]

Nah just pointing out hypocrisy. If something you get for paying a subscription is "free" then allied races (which take much, much less time to unlock than 90 days, btw) are "free" not a cash grab.

While noone wants allied races for free. Just without the need to play dungeons, raids or battlegrounds.

[Ealyssa]

No, sorry, i do not like dungeons.

Then don't and don't get the reward coming from them...

It's all about choice. The world doesn't revolve arround you from some strange reason.

[Fred Skinner]

Then don't and don't get the reward coming from them...

It's all about choice. The world doesn't revolve arround you from some strange reason.

An allied race is meant to be leveled, and you can level completely without playing any dungeon at all.

[Azelas]

imagine complaining about 3 dungeons

[Seranthor]

While noone wants allied races for free. Just without the need to play dungeons, raids or battlegrounds.

If you want to play with yourself you probably should seek other options to be staring at on your screen.

[h4rr0d]

While noone wants allied races for free. Just without the need to play dungeons, raids or battlegrounds.

And I would like allied races without the need of rep grind. And while you will eventually be able to solo the dungeons (either when theyadd bots - which is most probably going to happen - or when you outlevel them to the point, where you can solo them), I will never get them, unless I reach the required reputation. So tell me, who has it worse. And as many have said, you are already missing on so much content not doing dungs, that missing out on an extra race for a year or so is hardly going to concern anybody.

[Unfurth]

An allied race is meant to be leveled, and you can level completely without playing any dungeon at all.

The amount of evidence you glaze over is astonishing. People have shown you in multiple responses that you are either lying outright or forgetful in that you could NOT have unlocked the Zandalari Troll Allied Race without completing the Atal Dazar dungeon. Maybe you felt like you were still in the world because that dungeon is the definition of non-linear content since the bosses can be done in any order (save the last one).

Furthermore, your request for "non-linear" content is entirely without merit as every single quest line you have done in the game is LINEAR. You can't complete a quest chain out of order, you have to progress from A-B-C. Warfronts are also entirely linear at a high level, as many others have pointed out. The fact that you can clear the outposts in any order you wish doens't change the fact that you can't complete it without killing the final boss last (still linear).

Additionally, given the preponderance of data available on third party sites regarding dungeon and raid fight logs, it CAN be shown that you are, in fact, in the minority of people in not choosing to do this content in SOME form.

And finally, regardless of how toxic others are, many are also quite generous. As in you could have asked in this thread for some nice people to give you a hand with it, and I would likely have responded sure, I'll get my guildies together and we'll 4 man it while you sit at the entrance and just get credit for completion. But instead you decided to complain about how its "unfair" to gate some content, which is just a poorly defensible position.

[Florena]

I'm against locking races behind grinds in RPGs in general like this, but honestly if you ground out the reputation and questing requirements, doing the dungeons is pretty minor of a time sink compared to that.

[Nfinitii]

.. i cannot because i have to run 3 dungeons to be able to play that allied race. And i do not like dungeons.

Why do alliance players have to play dungeons in the requirements, and horde dont have to run them for zandalari?

Or let me rephrase it that way: Could we please have allied races without any need to play dungeons, raids or battlegrounds? Questing is quite able to tell every story needed to become able to play the races. It is way enough to gain reputations. And i wont really like to play any dungeons just to become able to play new races.

Idk what to tell u if u don’t want to do a quick few dungeons, and if u don’t want to play with other ppl there r far better game to do that on that don’t require a monthly.

[Nostalgic]

This isn't even the OP's fault. This is the reality of WoW now. Blizzard did this.

[Lasombria]

Either the most "under the bridge - wet feet" thread this year so far or the most pathic one, I can't decide. I wonder why this is still up after 12 pages though. I fail to see how anything constructive can come of this, especially as the premise is more than just silly in an MMORPG. The further disqualification of the OP with each following, even more nonsensical, post in this thread is just the icing on top.

I think that there's a lot of "slow down to look at the accident" fascination.

[rhorle]

From another thread but the OP's comment in there seems apt here

What i really wonder is why people do not leave if they are dissatisfied with the game.

There are a ton of other games around.

While it is odd that the Horde do not have to do dungeons it isn't a big deal. You can easily out gear the instances and can now queue for Siege of Boralus in Heroic with 8.1. I you refuse to do certain things in a game then you will not be able to see everything. It is as simple as that. The strange thing is when the OP is fine with Warmode and Battlegrounds against AI. But won't join 4 other players to do against AI content.

[Seranthor]

From another thread but the OP's comment in there seems apt here




While it is odd that the Horde do not have to do dungeons it isn't a big deal. You can easily out gear the instances and can now queue for Siege of Boralus in Heroic with 8.1. I you refuse to do certain things in a game then you will not be able to see everything. It is as simple as that. The strange thing is when the OP is fine with Warmode and Battlegrounds against AI. But won't join 4 other players to do against AI content.

One could reasonably respond to OP's whining with his own words that you've aptly quoted.

[Fred Skinner]

From another thread but the OP's comment in there seems apt here

No, it is not really. I just do not play dungeons, but love the parts of the game i play. I refer to people who hate everything about the game in that thread.

If you want to display me as a hypocrite, you utterly failed. And dont you have anything else to do than to discredit people based on other topic postings you take completely out of context?

If you do not like my opinion, argument against it. But dont try to get as low as possible.

You like dungeons? Great. Play them. I do not like them, and do not want them as prerequisite for allied races. That is all this thread is about. And not your personal vendetta. Which is also meant to be adressed at @Seranthor

[Seranthor]

No, it is not really. I just do not play dungeons, but love the parts of the game i play. I refer to people who hate everything about the game in that thread.

If you want to display me as a hypocrite, you utterly failed. And dont you have anything else to do than to discredit people based on other topic postings you take completely out of context?

If you do not like my opinion, argument against it. But dont try to get as low as possible.

You like dungeons? Great. Play them. I do not like them, and do not want them as prerequisite for allied races. That is all this thread is about. And not your personal vendetta. Which is also meant to be adressed at @Seranthor

This thread is all about you crying that you cant have dessert before you finish your dinner... That IS all.

[zaino]

After read OP Twitter

Gr8 b8 m8 I r8 8/8

[damonskye]

You like dungeons? Great. Play them. I do not like them, and do not want them as prerequisite for allied races. That is all this thread is about. And not your personal vendetta.

But I do have to wonder what it is you are trying to achieve here. You know Blizzard isn't paying here attention, right? Kul Tirans have been unlocked by the vast majority of people who want to play them. They aren't going to suddenly change it and remove the dungeon requirements for a major achievement as part of the BfA progression process, just because some people here may not like it. For the Legion based allied races, they never changed anything you needed to do to acquire them; they merely boosted some of the reputation you gain by doing open world quests to make it slightly easier. So I just have to wonder what your endgame is, in this thread...

I think this is an eminently fair question to ask someone who is being frustrating in his replies, after all.

[Goldielocks]

Blizzard is going to at least sometimes require multiplayer elements in a MMO, a multiplayer game. If you can't accept that, then go play single player only games.

[Socialhealer]

15 pages? 3 dungeons?

what a fucking LUL/10 thread.